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I think the real question is whether Trump has enough success stories to share without repeating too much. Edit: Oh god the "burned" pun from Bernie's last caller. VVV Bernie is really trying to listen in. It's awful VVV
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Brannock posted:I actually wonder how much Trump can handle the physical strain of campaigning for another 440 days. He's pretty up there in age and he's giving high energy speeches that have to be a significant strain on his body. Trump is fueled by his narcissism. If anything the campaign is probably going to be good for his health.
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hahaha talk into the mike goddamnit Is it me or does Bernie Sanders sound like Larry David a little bit or Super Dave .
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Hollismason posted:hahaha talk into the mike goddamnit He talks a lot like Larry David's George Steinbrenner voice.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:19
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This could be trouble for Deez Nuts.
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Hollismason posted:hahaha talk into the mike goddamnit He sounds like Howard Stern's impression of his dad.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:20
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The more Trump speeches I watch the more I'm convinced he's going to be the GOP candidate
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Aug 22, 2015 02:20
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Hollismason posted:hahaha talk into the mike goddamnit He's putting off some major Larry David vibes especially right now where his voice is sounding really rough.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:20
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Joementum posted:This could be trouble for Deez Nuts. FEC to American People: "Ehh, we give up."
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Aug 22, 2015 02:20
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Brannock posted:The more Trump speeches I watch the more I'm convinced he's going to be the GOP candidate It's actually surprising how much he sticks to a script.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:21
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Hollismason posted:hahaha talk into the mike goddamnit Any excuse to repost this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz3YvE_FHXY
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Aug 22, 2015 02:22
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Bernie is going to speak at Liberty University.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:22
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XK posted:If Trump would use some notecards with a basic outline of what he wanted to talk about, and use that to keep himself on a constructive tract, rather than hopping all over the place in a stream of consciousness speech, he would be unstoppable. I dunno, the constant hopping back and forth seems to work for him. It's not a style of speaking that's clever or elegant or should be recommended to any sane person, but it's bizarrely engaging. I think proper training and organization would suck the life out of it.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:23
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Trump is the drunk guy at the bar telling the same old story, but he has had a lot of practice telling those stories. And he understands the point of the story is the crowd, not the story. He can work a crowd unlike any other politician out there right now. It doesn't really matter what he is saying.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:23
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Brannock posted:The more Trump speeches I watch the more I'm convinced he's going to be the GOP candidate I was convinced a week ago. If they had anyone else, I wouldn't be, but the have nobody else. Trump is literally their only chance.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:23
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oh god Ted Cruz on my TV get it off GET IT OFF
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Aug 22, 2015 02:24
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:oh god Ted Cruz on my TV get it off GET IT OFF He looks really bad in a tucked in shirt and jeans.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:oh god Ted Cruz on my TV get it off GET IT OFF You don't want to watch his thrilling Religious Rally?
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Fargo Fukes posted:I dunno, the constant hopping back and forth seems to work for him. It's not a style of speaking that's clever or elegant or should be recommended to any sane person, but it's bizarrely engaging. I think proper training and organization would suck the life out of it. I basically agree, I just think his spiel would end up even more effective if he had even a basic outline of his own talking points in front of him. I kind of like how the GOP kept trying to hit Obama on using a teleprompter, when it's a totally legitimate thing for a professional to use, then gets their whole process hosed up by a guy who doesn't use one and just throws meat at the base off the top of his head.
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Fargo Fukes posted:I dunno, the constant hopping back and forth seems to work for him. It's not a style of speaking that's clever or elegant or should be recommended to any sane person, but it's bizarrely engaging. I think proper training and organization would suck the life out of it. Reagan had the same speaking style until his bosses at GM told him to use notecards and, well, the rest is history.
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How long has Trump been sustaining his surge now? At first we theorized he'd be the first of the 2012-style Not-Romneys, peaking for a few weeks and crashing, but it feels like he's been the front runner for close to two months now and he shows no signs of stopping. If the first primary was in September rather than February I'd say the risk was real that he could start winning, but it's tough to imagine this enthusiasm holding up for another six months. Sooner or later he or his followers will have to get bored or burn out, right? Half a year's a long time to be this revved up, if Trump said something about how they should have the election sooner that practically sounds like a hint. If he starts putting together big rallies like this regularly it'll do a lot to embarrass the other GOP candidates. Some Republicans have said the bigger names can just wait for him to go away but it'll look really bad if they keep their heads down for a couple months while Trump's rallying thousands or tens of thousands of supporters - then again, it might look even worse if they tried to match him and failed.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:30
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Joementum posted:This could be trouble for Deez Nuts. A dog in every bathtub
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like in that speech, a few times he asks the crowd questions to get a feel for things he should say on his speech pattern, he will say three things together, they are all different sentences but they seem like a single sentence and you can pick what you want from it. He loves to have the last statement be a backhanded comment.
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That was the first Trump speech I've seen and I've mostly avoided politics. But that was both stunning and disturbing! Rambling, contradictory stream-of-consciousness. But he's charismatic and funny and it makes him appear willing to *act* and not waste time hemming and hawing like other politicians. Economics is vaguely populist but reactionary, incoherent and flexible, constantly shifting. We need strength and toughness and meanness to become powerful again and to kick the Mexicans with the one hand and the depredations of foreign powers with the other. He speaks in slogans and repeats them, and then repeats them, and repeats them. And he especially thrives in stadiums with large numbers of people. Remind you of anyone? He's not that and history isn't repeating itself, but it sorta rhymes.
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Dolash posted:If the first primary was in September rather than February I'd say the risk was real that he could start winning, but it's tough to imagine this enthusiasm holding up for another six months.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:34
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Third World Reggin posted:I am going to put forth a theory. That was Nixon
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I firmly believe that the US economy will tank soon and Trump will use it to push his campaign against China and Mexico and he'll just keep saying "see I was right!"
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Aug 22, 2015 02:35
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Kellsterik posted:That was Nixon Uhh, Nixon did not come from money.
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Joementum posted:Uhh, Nixon did not come from money. Correct. Nixon came from a festering pit of pure sociopathic evil and raw desire for power.
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is there a stream of the socialist populist? I need to wash the taste of popular fascism out
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Trump scheduled a press conference. He decided not to attend it.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:41
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Joementum posted:Trump scheduled a press conference. He decided not to attend it. This picture somehow made me realize that to truly kick his campaign into high gear, Trump needs his own flag.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:43
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JJ McCullough posted:What is Trump?
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How long before Trump calls Bernie a self-hating Jew for not being pro-Israel enough?
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Aug 22, 2015 02:54
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Brannock posted:[Something about shaming Trump out of his campaign as if - hahaha!]
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That's a really good article. I don't have anything to add except that I love the Rob Ford comparison and noting how isolated the cognoscenti really are.
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That's such an elitist take on the situation, Trump is popular because he's legitimately anti-establishment at a time when being establishment is unpopular (because of a long history of failures and domestic uncertainty), and because he's closer, in terms of clear policy/ideology, to the base than the party elites. It's absolutely nothing like the way they're framing it, 'superficial novelty vs. serious politics'. He is presenting an ideology, it's just not the one that the party establishment has.
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