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Blasphemeral
Jul 26, 2012

Three mongrel men in exchange for a party member? I found that one in the Faustian Bargain Bin.

CeallaSo posted:

I think turquoise is interesting stylistically for the same reason as jasper: the different-colored veins make for an interesting color scheme. Though I think that if they did introduce a Turquoise into the show, it would probably just be a solid-color gem.

Actually, if Centipeedle turned out to be a green turquoise, that would explain the lines across her gem pretty well.

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Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

Coprolite, it represents my posting.

Oh yeah? Well I'm asbestos, cuz my posting is toxic :smug:

:smith:

Writh
Dec 31, 2008

Big D's chillin' over here, wasteland style
Labradorite or Spectrolite, no physical weapon, fires iridescent beams.

geeko55
Jun 11, 2013



Mine would be Thulite, cause it's a soft pink with marbled white, and since it's found in Australia she'd have an over the top accent. Her gem's on her neck, and she has two kukris as her weapons. :allears:

Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCf2ZZLHy-k

Inglonias
Mar 7, 2013

I WILL PUT THIS FLAG ON FREAKING EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT IS SYMBOLIC AS HELL SOMEHOW

Mine is marble because I'm white and boring as gently caress.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
Mine is the moon, because I'm above all of this.

Kabanaw
Jan 27, 2012

The real Pokemon begins here
Mine is salt because I am a neverending stream of it

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


If we're doing rocks, I'll be talc and my power is turning into powder then possessing things.

Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under


My gem is goku

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
I hope people never stop drawing Pearl as a knight


(via http://dorkyboo.tumblr.com/post/127163543241/may-this-song-reach-your-heart-may-your-ears-love)

at this point I'm just waiting for the inevitable Skyrim mod

Twibbit
Mar 7, 2013

Is your refrigerator running?

abraham linksys posted:

I hope people never stop drawing Pearl as a knight


(via http://dorkyboo.tumblr.com/post/127163543241/may-this-song-reach-your-heart-may-your-ears-love)

at this point I'm just waiting for the inevitable Skyrim mod

Why doesn't the character creator for Soul Calibur have Giant gems to stick into people's heads!

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
this is the first show where I've ever liked anime-lookin' fanart because for once it actually fits


(via http://nyong-choi.tumblr.com/post/127250607592/dream-of-you which has major :nws: stuff)

Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!
grr! anime!
/
:corsair:

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



gently caress it, I'm gonna say something about My Little Pony, so if you don't wanna deal with it skip this post. I think it's relevant though.



Never mind what you may or may not think about bronies. This isn't about them. What interests me is the advent of a "kids' show" that punches above its weight and grabs attention that wouldn't otherwise be due it, and that breaks new ground in important ways that make opinion-making commentators sit up and take notice. I'm also interested in how such a show changes and matures with time, especially as the people involved in its creation come and go.

MLP is a show that took everybody by surprise when it came out not just because it was several steps above its predecessor shows in quality, but also because it seemed to be remarkably socially progressive in some key ways, particularly in featuring a heavily majority female cast and treating femininity as a "default" condition for society (and making it just not be a thing that mattered in-universe). It was patently a feminist show, one designed to primarily appeal to girls but not to make them feel like anything but normal diverse interesting people; and that's attributable in large part to Lauren Faust, the creative force behind the show during its development and first season. Cartoon fans know Faust as a big mover and shaker in the Powerpuff Girls/Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends creative universe, and this was her big break and her chance to do something serious and meaningful and positive for girls in particular.

But Faust left the show under mysterious circumstances at the end of Season 1, and it's never really been made clear what happened. Fans have been left to speculate fruitlessly. And to stare hard at the show and pick it apart season by season, to see what it was like before and after its creator left. Because there is a difference before and after—a subtle one, and one that it's easy to pretend doesn't even exist, and one that is remarkable in how subtle it is, really (most shows get retooled beyond recognition when their creators leave—see Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, Ren & Stimpy, etc), but it's there nonetheless. From Season 2 onward the show seems more self-aware, more injokey, more daring; but it's also less innocent, less effortless, less cohesive. There's a "story arc" to it (and this is why I'm bringing this up); it's not a particularly good one, and certainly not in the league of what Steven Universe is doing, and it's not what anyone would call coherent even if they're making allowances for the show being driven by toy sales and sudden edicts from the corporate mothership. But this arc has nothing to do with what Lauren Faust might have intended to do; it's basically veteran writers guessing at what she might have had in mind and sort of lurching awkwardly in obvious directions. There's not much in the way of foreshadowing or intelligent mystery-sowing or anything like that. The comedy remains at a level that's entertaining for all ages, adults included; but the overarching narrative is squarely kids' fare.

It's hard to know whether this change has to do with Lauren Faust's leaving or not. The season she presided over had some great episodes from a critical standpoint, but also some of the show's worst clunkers ever. As progressive as the show seems in some ways (like the finale that takes a "Prince Charming" trope and subverts it mercilessly), Season 1 also contains some of the most disappointingly regressive things imaginable (there is an episode in which the ponies go to the Old West and meet a herd of buffalo that wear headdresses and talk in heap big injun voices and there is a cowboys-vs-indians war and because every episode ends with a moral message, this episode's moral is literally "both sides should share their resources and get along"). And while the show has continued to produce strong episodes to this day, sometimes it does goofy and disappointing poo poo like shy away from confirming that two fan-favorite characters who had been presumed to be in a lesbian relationship are actually involved—not by outright denying it, but by weakly winkingly queerbaiting, by having them declare to the camera that they're BEST FRIENDS LOL and then stare meaningfully into each other's eyes while the screen heart-wipes to black and then the director goes on Twitter to reiterate that they're JUST FRIENDS. Queer fans have not been amused.

I bring all this up because watching the show has been a fascinating social experiment as well as a great behind-the-scenes artistic meta-narrative. I of course would love to have seen what in an alternate universe would have happened if Lauren Faust had never left. Would she have kept a more coherent plotline in place? Would she have pushed boundaries in a different way? Of course we'll never know, and she isn't talking (she says it's too painful to even watch the current seasons knowing it's not her baby anymore). BUT we have an eerily similar situation here with Steven Universe. We have a creator who's as ambitious and as gifted as Faust behind the wheel; and this time, at least from what we've seen, there's no hint of internal politics or dissatisfaction that might cause Rebecca Sugar (or IanJ or others) to ever have to leave. This time around we do get to see what a show that's avowedly pushing the boundaries of what subject matter is fair game in a kids' cartoon will look like when its creators are able to keep it on course over the long term. We get to see how someone who places extraordinary value on subtle references and foreshadowing and other little storytelling flourishes gets to exercise that skill as season after season unfolds. In many ways it's like getting to see the other half of a controlled experiment, where one run went a certain way and now we get to tweak one variable and run it again. Of course it's not anything like that clinical; there are a million differences between the two shows and their circumstances. But the similarities are eye-opening to someone who enjoys both shows and is interested in seeing what both of them will end up doing to the world of cartoons in the long term.


I hope this isn't bannable; but seriously c'mon, it's 2015. And I know there's plenty of overlap in viewership of the two shows, including among people ITT, which is kind of my whole point.

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Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

Please source your quotes.

Yoya
Nov 6, 2009

I already bought the chicken
Yeah good on you mate lets have a great big talk about mlp *mashes silent alarm button under my desk so hard it pains me*

XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.

Data Graham posted:

I hope this isn't bannable; but seriously c'mon, it's 2015. And I know there's plenty of overlap in viewership of the two shows, including among people ITT, which is kind of my whole point.

Yeah, I think it's fine. Let's just be adults about this. It's just a silly tv show. We don't need to go deep onto whatever drama happened in other shows but I do think it's really cool that Sugar has been able to become such a huge success and such a driving force. She really seems to be a great creative leader.

It's been really amazing to see what is actually possible and what does actually work well on a children's show when someone's willing to push for it. Producers constantly say that shows need to have self-contained plots 'cause kids can't or won't follow long-running stories, but that hasn't been a problem for SU! And neither has rich and often troubling characterization and drama. I guess it's no surprise, Disney movies have been doing stuff like that for decades to great success.

Also I think IanJ did leave, like already. But not because of politics - they're letting him do his own show!

Zebia
Oct 10, 2012

How's my volume?

Yoya posted:

Yeah good on you mate lets have a great big talk about mlp *mashes silent alarm button under my desk so hard it pains me*

You probably should have done that last page when people started talking about their gemsonas.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Last I checked it seemed like MLP had this odd overlap with MRAs. I just remember this weird time when bronies were trying to talk around the fact that MLP wasn't a feminist show when Lauren Faust said she was one.

The hate for MLP is more aimed at the fanbase it built than the show itself is what I'm saying.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Aug 22, 2015

Unknown Quantity
Sep 2, 2011

!
Steven? Steven?!
STEEEEEEVEEEEEEEN!
Steven Universe S2: 1 0 days since last deprivation-induced derail.

In all seriousness I'm just glad this show is getting as much recognition and doing as well for the amount of effort put in. As opposed to some other shows on CN's lineup that kinda just make you question why they're even still there.

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Is that everything you have?

Zebia posted:

You probably should have done that last page when people started talking about their gemsonas.

I think that was supposed to be ironic.

Irony, as usual, turned out to be a paper thin alibi for 'I want to do this thing, but think that people will think it's silly or wrong (and I actually care about that for some reason)'.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Someone recorded the direct feed from Chuck-E-Cheese and put the TV quality version of the extended song on YouTube. Is it okay to post it here or does that count as :filez:

Tollymain
Jul 9, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
i love paper thin irony, it gives me life

The Skeleton King
Jul 16, 2011

Right now undead are at the top of my shit list. Undead are complete fuckers. Those geists are fuckers. Necromancers are fuckers. Necrosavants are big time fuckers. Skeletons aren't too bad except when they bleed everyone in the company. Zombos are at least not too bad.


I'd play the hell out of a dark souls game based on this show. Not sure what made me think this.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

The Skeleton King posted:

I'd play the hell out of a dark souls game based on this show. Not sure what made me think this.

I want a picture of Sad Pearl in the traditional souls knight armor, sitting on the floor cuz she just got wrecked by a huge monster.

Unknown Quantity
Sep 2, 2011

!
Steven? Steven?!
STEEEEEEVEEEEEEEN!

VanSandman posted:

I want a picture of Sad Pearl in the traditional souls knight armor, sitting on the floor cuz she just got wrecked by a huge monster.

YOU POOFED

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

BigRed0427 posted:

The hate for MLP is more aimed at the fanbase it built than the show itself.

No question about that really. It's an inoffensive kid's show, the reason it's taboo on SA is because there are hordes of sweaty neckbeards drawing porn and jacking it to tiny cartoon ponies (:cry:) while screaming about misandry.

Apparently, there was some tumblr drama over bronies trying to find their place in the SU fandom. I was googling to see what :reddit: people had to say about SU and found this gem:

(TiA refers to Tumblr in Action, and I'm pretty sure all the * in Action reddits are MRA headquarters)



e: if you don't already have SJW to Skeleton you need to get it. Trust me.

Your Computer fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Aug 22, 2015

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



XboxPants posted:

Yeah, I think it's fine. Let's just be adults about this. It's just a silly tv show. We don't need to go deep onto whatever drama happened in other shows but I do think it's really cool that Sugar has been able to become such a huge success and such a driving force. She really seems to be a great creative leader.

It's been really amazing to see what is actually possible and what does actually work well on a children's show when someone's willing to push for it. Producers constantly say that shows need to have self-contained plots 'cause kids can't or won't follow long-running stories, but that hasn't been a problem for SU! And neither has rich and often troubling characterization and drama. I guess it's no surprise, Disney movies have been doing stuff like that for decades to great success.

Also I think IanJ did leave, like already. But not because of politics - they're letting him do his own show!

That's the funny thing—I seem to remember when I was a kid that there were at least as many heavily serialized shows as there were purely episodic ones where the universe resets itself all the time. Anyone remember The Adventures of Teddy Ruxpin? The entire drat thing was one enormous long story (that I would call a soap opera except it was actually more anime-ish, like long-rear end Inuyasha style quests and stuff). And Shredder always got away and Scrooge McDuck always had some new adventure to go on, but there were always little hints that time was passing and cast members were coming and going and things were happening.

I think I may have read that writers actually find it more of a challenge to make every single episode totally self-contained than to do something long-term that they can let just play out the way it wants to, with references to earlier events and so on wherever necessary. It's only the demands of a show that is destined for syndication that force them to pay special attention to making sure episodes can air out of order. You can even look at the Simpsons as a show whose only real clue to the passage of time is that the show itself evolves on a meta level, with the style of animation and comedy changing with each generational turnover. That has to be intentional in a show where Bart has been ten years old through four presidential administrations, three of them two-term.

But still, that's just talking about shows that acknowledge that time is passing—not shows that are all about a story arc, BSG-style or Breaking Bad-style or whatever. Cartoons that operate on that level are kind of a new thing. Whether it's because people don't think kids can handle serialization or whatever, who knows—they sure don't seem to mind it in their Dragon Ball Z's and so on.

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:

Hell, Bandai Namco is all about licensed games these days, they could totally do an E-rated Souls spinoff where you get poofed instead of killed and bubble bosses instead of murdering them :3:

Then of course the dark, T-rated middle chapter will be set during the Gem war and have you just straight-up shattering fools

The Skeleton King
Jul 16, 2011

Right now undead are at the top of my shit list. Undead are complete fuckers. Those geists are fuckers. Necromancers are fuckers. Necrosavants are big time fuckers. Skeletons aren't too bad except when they bleed everyone in the company. Zombos are at least not too bad.


Your Computer posted:

No question about that really. It's an inoffensive kid's show, the reason it's taboo on SA is because there are hordes of sweaty neckbeards drawing drawing porn and jacking it to tiny cartoon ponies (:cry:) while screaming about misandry.

Apparently, there was some tumblr drama over bronies trying to find their place in the SU fandom. I was googling to see what :reddit: people had to say about SU and found this gem:

(TiA refers to Tumblr in Action, and I'm pretty sure all the * in Action reddits are MRA headquarters)



e: if you don't already have SJW to Skeleton you need to get it. Trust me.

Hey! What's wrong with skeletons liking this show?

Music Theory
Aug 7, 2013

Avatar by Garden Walker

abraham linksys posted:

Hell, Bandai Namco is all about licensed games these days, they could totally do an E-rated Souls spinoff where you get poofed instead of killed and bubble bosses instead of murdering them :3:

Then of course the dark, T-rated middle chapter will be set during the Gem war and have you just straight-up shattering fools

Invaders would still be called invaders, but they would show up in your game by falling from the sky in a spherical pod thing.

E: They could even include Peridot and Jasper and whoever else as NPC invaders

E: How would they implement fusion?

Music Theory fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Aug 22, 2015

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

The Skeleton King posted:

Hey! What's wrong with skeletons liking this show?

You're trying to make all men into betas, thats what. :colbert:

Also, thanks Your Computer. Now I never want to know what goes on in the SU fandom outside this thread and tumblers posted here.

Unknown Quantity
Sep 2, 2011

!
Steven? Steven?!
STEEEEEEVEEEEEEEN!
Co-op involves unbubbling a friend :3:

Fusion sadly would probably never work outside of it was performed with an NPC. That said, we've already seen an example of Souls-type nonsense. Garnet still has that gigantic axe in her room somewhere.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



The Skeleton King posted:

Hey! What's wrong with skeletons liking this show?

YOU SPOOPED

Music Theory
Aug 7, 2013

Avatar by Garden Walker

Unknown Quantity posted:

Fusion sadly would probably never work outside of it was performed with an NPC. That said, we've already seen an example of Souls-type nonsense. Garnet still has that gigantic axe in her room somewhere.

Multiplayer fusion would be where one person controls one set of arms and the other controls another set and the legs :v:

Flying-PCP
Oct 2, 2005
Yo you all might wanna click the link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pSurtUXamM

Edit: Oh, someone already mentioned this. Is it really :filez: if they're just going to post it on the website/app where anyone can see it for free anyway?

Pearl's VA just retweeted it, for whatever that's worth.

Flying-PCP fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Aug 22, 2015

Kilo147
Apr 14, 2007

You remind me of the boss
What boss?
The boss with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who-doo?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the Boss.

Philip Rivers posted:

What's your gemsona, SU thread? Mine is Morganite because it is pretty and pink.

Mine is Ringwaldite, because it's pretty in pink.

The Skeleton King
Jul 16, 2011

Right now undead are at the top of my shit list. Undead are complete fuckers. Those geists are fuckers. Necromancers are fuckers. Necrosavants are big time fuckers. Skeletons aren't too bad except when they bleed everyone in the company. Zombos are at least not too bad.


Dragonslayer Pearl, Executioner Sugalite.

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DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Flying-PCP posted:

Yo you all might wanna click the link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pSurtUXamM

holy cow FINALLY

though i'm so used to the crowd roaring with cheers at Garnet's verse that it feels weird without it

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