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amuayse
Jul 20, 2013

by exmarx

Neruz posted:

Crystal and Slave Matrices do not have the startbattlespell\onebattlespell stat line, I suspect they are actually hardcoded somehow to force the communion master\slave status similar to how Communicants and the new mod command work. As far as I know they do not in fact cast any spells at all.

That's actually pretty drat useful with stuff like Barkskin Amulet that autocasts a spell. That would mean all communion and the master would start off the battle buffed.

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Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness
Barkskin Amulet is actually 'bearer affected by spell' or 'spelleffect' rather than 'startbattlespell' so I have no idea if that will transfer across the communion or not.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



drat it Illfraud, how the hell Vine men / Vine Ogres don't have the attribute vulnerable to fire??

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

Turin Turambar posted:

drat it Illfraud, how the hell Vine men / Vine Ogres don't have the attribute vulnerable to fire??

Clearly you've never tried to set living wood on fire before :v:

Diabl0658
Dec 10, 2008

These are the games we play.
Im sure wood is just as flammable as flesh, which is why plant things have no fire vulnerability.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Neruz posted:

Clearly you've never tried to set living wood on fire before :v:


Diabl0658 posted:

Im sure wood is just as flammable as flesh, which is why plant things have no fire vulnerability.

Treelords and Irminsul have it. Check mate atheists :P.

amuayse
Jul 20, 2013

by exmarx
Turpentine is much more flammable

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness
Fear the mighty turpentine elementals; the only way to defeat them is to run away until they evaporate.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



It would be cool if cold aura/attacks would transform an enemy water elemental into an ice elemental, but I will admit that's reaching a bit too much. I will content myself with a revision on elemental protections/vulnerabilities.

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


Turin Turambar posted:

drat it Illfraud, how the hell Vine men / Vine Ogres don't have the attribute vulnerable to fire??

The vines are very moist.

Speleothing
May 6, 2008

Spare batteries are pretty key.
Seriously. Vines are so wet it's ridiculous.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Decrepus posted:

The vines are very moist.

Finally I have a logic answer that satisfies me. You are forgiven for now, Illwinter.


edit: something a bit more ontopic instead of me trying to be funny:

Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Aug 22, 2015

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

...
...



so, that means the patch will be in a few months, right?

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
Yeah it's indie Valve Time.

Baudin
Dec 31, 2009

Turin Turambar posted:

People who do LP/AAR/Youtube videos, it would be nice when you are finished with a game, you upload a zip with all the saved turns (because I suppose you people store each turn separately, instead of overwriting it).

I can't imagine why I would do that

ChickenWing
Jul 22, 2010

:v:

Baudin posted:

I can't imagine why I would do that

Saving turns is a good way to defer effort if you don't want to write your whole LP turn as you take it.

Baudin
Dec 31, 2009

ChickenWing posted:

Saving turns is a good way to defer effort if you don't want to write your whole LP turn as you take it.

If I don't do it as I take it I will literally never do it, I know that much about myself at least.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Baudin posted:

I can't imagine why I would do that

To check what happened 4 or 5 turns ago that maybe is relevant to the present turn. To be able to take some screenshots because you didn't notice something important was missin or to re-record a part of a video because something went wrong. Stuff like that.



Question.
Have anyone took a magical path to 10 for your Pretender? Why? I just noticed today I could do it (well, I knew it, but somehow forgot about it because I never do it), and I was wondering about it.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

ChickenWing posted:

Saving turns is a good way to defer effort if you don't want to write your whole LP turn as you take it.

Or you can take a bunch of screenshots and write up your turn whenever you feel like it.

Speleothing
May 6, 2008

Spare batteries are pretty key.
Lol, no. Nobody ever goes to 10. That's a scale and a half or a cross-path for summons you're giving up to slightly improve your bless. At best.

I guess if you had a national summon that scaled really well and the chassis started at 3 or 4....

Speleothing
May 6, 2008

Spare batteries are pretty key.

ChickenWing
Jul 22, 2010

:v:

I wasn't going to post these but then spilly thing said he'd hold his meme hostage and I just couldn't live with that


thus, kristoffer osterman graphs!















Also revealed to me by my godly eyes and also spilly thing himself is that Ulm is in posession of a thronewinning amount of points. Maybe let's coordinate a dogpile of some sort?

ChickenWing
Jul 22, 2010

:v:

speleothing eat the eggs post the meme

Baudin
Dec 31, 2009
Lets not and let this terrible game end.

Speleothing
May 6, 2008

Spare batteries are pretty key.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH

Baudin posted:

Lets not and let this terrible game end.

God, I hated this map so much. I was surrounded by nothing but swamps and mountains. My poor ponymans were never able to be made because they were too expensive for my income, and then once I broke out against Abysia and Pangaea, pan's stupid enchanted forests kept me playing wack a mole with trolls and sneaksy goattes.

Ulm's pretender had better let my pretender at least end up as a minor functionary somewhere rather than in Tartarus. We were buds, bud. :colbert:

I Love You!
Dec 6, 2002
never befriend ulm you suicidal bastard

BurntCornMuffin
Jan 9, 2009


:420: Patch 4.20 is out! :420:

quote:

This update focuses on the underwater part of Dominions. A new underwater nation is available as well as a bunch of new underwater pretenders to choose from. Many of the old underwater nations have also got some new recruitment options. There has also been some work to make the AI better as well as more modding, more random events and the usual bug fixes.

Game
New nation: Therodos
UW resources increased 25%
Press 'r' when designing pretender to get a random design
Dominion less likely to spread across sea-land borders
Horror chances altered
Being dead will make horror marks fade away over time
New summon spells: Flame Jelly, Bishop Fish
Oceanian lore rewritten
Oceania turmoil in coastal provinces, order in land/sea provinces
Haliades replaces Bishop Fish as oceanian priests
Initiates of the Deep, deep seer: lore remake
Witness of the Deep, Soldier of the Deep
Capricorn and Siren coastal recruits and chaos rebate
New unique items for Marignon and R'lyeh
Improved magic item info
UW pretender rebates and nation restrictions
Dagon remade (grab and swallow instead of trample)
New story events
Save and exit also marks turn as unfinished
Pelagian/oceanian name lists
Replaced some iron with meteoritic iron
Starting position improvements
Mummy Nazca Arena fix
Chakram flysprite
Double flysprite bug removed
Academy underneath didn't produce lab
Rainbow enchantment now affected buy own luck effect
Bodyguard mrl bonus bug fixed
Philosopher icon
Fullscreen resolution defaults to desktop resolution instead of highest
Updated tip of the turn
Some new bronze and iron weapons and armors
Some more units got weapons and armors changed
Giants reanimated into correct shape
Berserk bless (war-dance)
Lanka description now mentions blood hunt bonus/malus in turmoil/order
Couldn't cast spells if you had two 'life long protection' items
Send Dream Horror castable at UW provinces
Assassins must be stealthy to be able to assassinate
The four Balams are now unique
EA/MA Pelagia nation descr changes
Pelagian Mystic
Iron armaments rust in the sea
Rust permanent until repaired
Damaged weapons/armors lower dmg/prot
New poptypes: Ichtyid shaman, Bone Tribe barbarians
New mermen/ichtyid sites
Mermage & Pelagian Mermage remake
Pelagian Explorer
Enkidu Headhunter & Bone Tribe Headhunter Club -> Skull Club
EA Pelagia Hero
Turtle Warriors Javelin -> Coral Tipped Javelin
New Pelagian coastal recruits
Mermage/priest sprite remade
New 'rusty armor' icons
UW indeps a bit weaker
Lower throne no longer appears UW
Divine Glyph and Baphomet magic beings
Can't compete in arena while sneaking
Ancient kraken doesn't lose Ink attack if equipped with weapons
Abomination doesn't lose tentacles if equipped with copper arm and weapons
Macaw and Condor got headslots
New switch: --listnations
Some new throne defenders can appear now
Some nations got pretender discounts
Many typo, stat and event fixes
Non-commander communion possible
Theurg Communicant -> not commander
Theurg Communicant rec-limit 1
Theurg Communicant cost 35 -> 50
Option --partamount didn't work properly
Battlefield spell didn't affect everyone in enormous armies
Particles effects didn't look properly in huge battles
Minor memory leak fixed
National underwater PD takes precedence for local UW PD
Faster battle deployment for huge skirmish armies
Murdering Winter less effective vs commanders
Murdering Winter cost 50 -> 40
Flames from the Sky cost 35 -> 30
Thetis Blessing research level 9 -> 7
Therodos got proper names
Music can now start with a rare tune
Sirens are cheaper to recruit when Lure of the Deep is up
Looming Hell slightly harder to defend against
Vengeful Water less effective and cost 50 -> 70
More ability modifiers printed
Shambler base cost 25 -> 20
Cannot try to send more than 32 messages
Friendly Currents didn't affect encumbrance properly
Soul Leech and Consume Soul cannot be repelled
New network option (--maxholdups) to run over serial stallers
New network option (--timeleft) to set nbr of hour to first host
Auto refresh for html statuspage
Auspex could be pathed though the sea, fixed
Looming Hell vs stealthy didn't work properly
Berytian Melqarts reduced blood sacrifice
Land/Water shape recruitment fix

AI
Certain nations more likely to go for good bless effects
Smarter pretender god design
Can make pretenders with high levels of blood magic now
Fixed bug where AI for blood and death nations could waste up to 80 DP
More likely to buy holy units when having a good bless
Army and PD strength evaluation improved
Higher score for scripted spells

Modding
#aigoodbless, #aimusthavemag
#aifirenation, #aiairnation, #aiwaternation, #aiearthnation
#aiastralnation, #aideathnation, #ainaturenation, #aibloodnation
Deserter abilities now work for non commanders too
New unit mod commands: #incscale, #decscale, #reform, #domrec, #haltheretic
New item mod commands: #incscale, #decscale, #reform, #haltheretic
New nation mod command: #noforeignrec
Eventmodding #req_notnation didn't work
#blessbers, #uwheat, #hpoverslow, #poisonskin, #xploss, #enchrebate50

Linux
no multi processes on low memory machines

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



And just now I'm not at home. Typical.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
Just fyi, Therados is EA, and not LA like some of us sorta-anticipated.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



jBrereton posted:

Just fyi, Therados is EA, and not LA like some of us sorta-anticipated.

EA too stronk.

Like the Therodos hero, btw...

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
Also the standout new UW pretender is pretty much an underwater Oracle but with starting dom 2 and a little mapmove, called a Floating Mind. Its has an aura-type thing called Mind Slime which is like a fatigue effect on enemies that are near it.

It costs 30 points, here is a lovely picture of it (this one has had some points spent on it - you can get Dom 6 and the magic paths here with 5 positive scales awake).



There's also an old guy with some lobster bits on his head etc. but he's much less good.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
That is a pretty good hero. Is she Therodos only?

Sloppy Milkshake
Nov 9, 2004

I MAKE YOU HUMBLE

Here's another hero:


also the head:

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Big head should have hand slots for things held in its claws.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



That head is pretty bitching.

Therodos summary:



Pretender selection (Ghost King 20 points cheaper)



Capital rec (they are a semi-freespawn nation, their ghosts are Arco based instead of Ermor based)



In coastal forts:

They have therodian troops (peltasts, hoplites, archers), a new mage called Kabeiros, and a new sacred called Korybant.

Melia.

Possible low level thug? def 17, mr16, awe3, recuperation, some magic to buff themselves, sacred, h1 to bless themselves...

Hekateride
W2N3H2+Random 100% AWEN1 +(10% same). Str. Awe6! but physical stats are low. 385 gold.

Daktyl
A1W1E2+ Random 100% FAWED1 +(10% same). Str. Master Smith 1. 240g.

Kourete (the cap sacred)


Things to know about them:
-They aren't the only sacred, a minor amount of their freespawn are ghost sacred kouretes (similar, but with ethereal), apart from the Korybants and Melias.
-They have -1 morale in friendly dominion, instead of +1.
-It doesn't matter a lot if you bless them, as they gain berserk +3 AND the berserk effect is automatically activated (no need to wait for a wound).
-even if the nation is UW, it wants to be on land. Kouretes and Melias are poor amphibian!

Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Aug 25, 2015

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness
Big head has map move 5 despite teleporting, interesting. I wonder if that's a general change or just for him.

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009
Colossal Santa

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

quote:

Being dead will make horror marks fade away over time

Interesting. Seems like it's no longer an eternal death sentence for pretenders to get heavily horror marked. Though it depends on the speed of the horror mark decay.

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Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness
Note also that Therodos is a domkill nation so there is now at least one domkill nation in every era! Yay!

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