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Bust Rodd posted:Ugh, I tried to buy a lifetime sub so I can start grinding rep for space cupcake recipes but it's moving to F2P. I guess I'll just have to buy as many house plants and hats for my dude as possible. 
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Bust Rodd posted:Ugh, I tried to buy a lifetime sub so I can start grinding rep for space cupcake recipes but it's moving to F2P. I guess I'll just have to buy as many house plants and hats for my dude as possible. Post a trip report if you wind up doing this.
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Aug 22, 2015 00:11
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Commissar Budgie posted:Don't say that too loudly, you'll draw people from the FFXIV thread But FFXIV really does put out quality content faster than any other MMO.
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Aug 22, 2015 00:12
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Verranicus posted:But FFXIV really does put out quality content faster than any other MMO.
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Aug 22, 2015 00:16
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Pierson posted:Yeah but that just means 'a few months' rather than 'half a year'. Realistically devs can't and will probably never be able to put triple-A content out as fast as players want because MMO players are like tiny baby birds screeching for food constantly all the time. Someone tried to tell me the crafting in ff14 is content.
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Aug 22, 2015 00:35
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Kelp Plankton posted:there are no MMOs with a team big enough to put out new content at the rate people want from MMOs A better way to put it would be "at a rate that will actually retain a customer base". Although I guess WoW can't do that either at this point.
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Aug 22, 2015 00:36
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Tenzarin posted:Someone tried to tell me the crafting in ff14 is content. Pretty sure FFXIV's current end game crafting was designed by the Wildstar raid team.
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Aug 22, 2015 00:47
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Please don't poo poo on FFXIV, you're just going to cause some dipshit to come in and argue loudly about how you're oh so wrong.
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Verranicus posted:But FFXIV really does put out quality content faster than any other MMO. This is a True Thing. Deki posted:Please don't poo poo on FFXIV, you're just going to cause some dipshit to come in and argue loudly about how you're oh so wrong. Do you have a minute to discuss Fracture, friend?
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Aug 22, 2015 02:37
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Wish they'd put the next bit of content out faster. Two endgame dungeons isn't enough.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:49
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Deki posted:Please don't poo poo on FFXIV, you're just going to cause some dipshit to come in and argue loudly about how you're oh so wrong. The story in ffxiv is garbage and forcing people to do the the entire Story quest line to unlock expansion content is stupid. Also dps meters are good for increasing your own performance and useful for finding shitters who expect to be carried through content.
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Aug 22, 2015 03:14
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Admittedly I didn't finish the FFXIV story but it seemed like an acceptable if generic kind of Final Fantasy plot. Then again, I'm a long-time WoW player so my ability to judge writing has probably atrophied.
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Aug 22, 2015 03:46
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Hy_C posted:The story in ffxiv is garbage and forcing people to do the the entire Story quest line to unlock expansion content is stupid. Chum the waters a little more why don't you?
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Anoia posted:Chum the waters a little more why don't you?  gently caress i've messed this up like 6 times healers have to dps to meet dps checks in raids Hy_C fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Aug 22, 2015 |
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Aug 22, 2015 05:06
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Hy_C posted:
Thats a thing in wow as far back as ulduar. Our first firefighter kill had all 3 healers at different stages dpsing.
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Bust Rodd posted:Ugh, I tried to buy a lifetime sub so I can start grinding rep for space cupcake recipes but it's moving to F2P. I guess I'll just have to buy as many house plants and hats for my dude as possible. Imp zones post are more entertaining then yours.
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Byolante posted:Thats a thing in wow as far back as ulduar. Our first firefighter kill had all 3 healers at different stages dpsing. That is not a wow thing anymore. You just take as few healers as possible. And wow also doesn't design hp sponge bosses that take a month to kill as the end boss. (Half serious on this one. Hardest boss in the game currently is going on 4 weeks being alive since people started working on it).
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Hy_C posted:The story in ffxiv is garbage and forcing people to do the the entire Story quest line to unlock expansion content is stupid. And they just announced that starting next expansion you won't be required to finish the story from the previous expac to do the newest one.
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FFXIV really is the best MMO out there right now.
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Holyshoot posted:Imp zones post are more entertaining then yours. 
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Verranicus posted:FFXIV really is the best MMO out there right now. I really think FF14 is only a good mmo if you played it from launch and don't have to fight your way through the entire plot from start to end.
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Byolante posted:I really think FF14 is only a good mmo if you played it from launch and don't have to fight your way through the entire plot from start to end. Requiring you to do a bunch of bog standard MMO quests and watch terrible cut scenes just to step foot in dungeons really grated on me. Did they ever makes fates more interesting? The public quests in Warhammer online were much better done and that came out like 7 years earlier.
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The Moon Monster posted:Requiring you to do a bunch of bog standard MMO quests and watch terrible cut scenes just to step foot in dungeons really grated on me. Did they ever makes fates more interesting? The public quests in Warhammer online were much better done and that came out like 7 years earlier. I don't know about the expansion but their solution to not enough people FATEs in ARR was to require level 50s to do hours of them to upgrade their relic weapons. I really like FFXIV but it has just as many problems as the next "good" MMO.
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a harpy posted:I don't know about the expansion but their solution to not enough people FATEs in ARR was to require level 50s to do hours of them to upgrade their relic weapons. Not being raid or die is a pretty big problem I am glad FFXIV doesn't have.
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My favorite part of FFXIV was the boss fights that gated your levelling. Being a tank and having to retry again and again because the dps keep dying to floor aoe, causing you to die to the boss timers was fun.
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I'm glad they removed the story quest requirement for the next expansion. Maybe by the time it's out I'll have unlocked the heavensward content.
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Anoia posted:I'm glad they removed the story quest requirement for the next expansion. Maybe by the time it's out I'll have unlocked the heavensward content. Nah just wait until you can buy lv capped characters. That's what you all really want right?
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No I'm pretty sure if there is ever player demand to purchase fully leveled characters that means the game's basic is really lovely  Any game where a lot of people are willing to pay money to avoid the basic gameplay has got to be super lovely (Age of Conan e.g.)
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I don't dislike FFXIV, but I do feel like the leveling pace kind of sucks. I would have enjoyed it more if the main story took me to level 50 on its own. If I wanted to level other classes then there are fates (which feel like they don't award enough xp), quests, leves, and good old grinding. Instead I have a bard that will be 43 forever because leveling is too slow and I don't get another story mission until like 45 or something. Blargh.
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Saxophone posted:I don't dislike FFXIV, but I do feel like the leveling pace kind of sucks. I would have enjoyed it more if the main story took me to level 50 on its own. If I wanted to level other classes then there are fates (which feel like they don't award enough xp), quests, leves, and good old grinding. That sounds like a free to play game only without the free part. I was vaguely interested in checking it out but that pretty much kills that interest, at least until it actually is free.
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Morglon posted:That sounds like a free to play game only without the free part. I was vaguely interested in checking it out but that pretty much kills that interest, at least until it actually is free. It's also not really true nowadays! Near launch, there was kind of a lovely bottleneck in the early 40s that meant you'd have to do a couple of dungeons or FATES for an hour or two, but every player I know who started after Heavensward wound up overlevelling the Main Story, rather than underlevelling. (FATEs are like group quests from Guild Wars, on your first character one will give about 5% of a level, so it'll take you maybe 90 minutes - 2 hours to unfuck yourself if you skimped out on the rest of the content) Heavensward's levelling curve is terrible, though, but it's slowly gotten better post-launch. vvv this is also true. At least they announced they were working on a slimmed down-version, but i'm not sure why that didn't make it into 3.0 launch
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The story beats added between ARR release and Heavensward (the expansion) release have a lot of filler, padding and bullshit. This is understandable, because they were released in dribs and drabs with each patch, tiding people over until the expansion hit. Unfortunately, that means that anyone starting from scratch with the game now, and everyone who wanted to see all the cool new poo poo the expansion brought, has to wade through this sea of padding. You can't access the Heavensward content without doing all the story quests leading up to it, and if you haven't done any it's going to take you a LOT of time. Of course, anyone who attempts to bring this up in the main thread gets shouted down by a bunch of vocal idiots talking about THE INTEGRITY OF THE STORY and IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY STORY WHY YOU PLAY FF????. They're idiots, because telling potential returnees "hey there is all this cool new poo poo in the expansion and new classes and new everything" is pointless if you have to follow it up with "but you have to wade through multiple patches of rubbing perfume on a chocobo's rear end first". A lot of potential returning players simply won't bother. edit - not actually joking about perfumed chocobo rear end btw http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/If_Wishes_Were_Horsebirds Kessel fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Aug 22, 2015 |
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Strictly linear content paths have close to zero replay value. For all the problems City of Heroes had at least it had gobs and gobs of content and alternative leveling experiences.
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Kessel posted:The story beats added between ARR release and Heavensward (the expansion) release have a lot of filler, padding and bullshit. This is understandable, because they were released in dribs and drabs with each patch, tiding people over until the expansion hit. Unfortunately, that means that anyone starting from scratch with the game now, and everyone who wanted to see all the cool new poo poo the expansion brought, has to wade through this sea of padding. You can't access the Heavensward content without doing all the story quests leading up to it, and if you haven't done any it's going to take you a LOT of time. Yeah, that's what's keeping me out. If I could just bounce into Heavensward stuff, I might actually consider it. It's basically like if you picked up World of Warcraft and they told you you had to finish every single raid in an expansion to get to the next expansion's content regardless of what the current content is. Eff. That. I really do like the world, the places, the systems, everything. But that required questing to play a new expansion stuff is kinda garbage. Flesh Forge posted:Strictly linear content paths have close to zero replay value. For all the problems City of Heroes had at least it had gobs and gobs of content and alternative leveling experiences. The slight upswing to this is that you (theoretically) only ever have one character, because you can be and level every class and/or profession by simply switching to it.
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Saxophone posted:Yeah, that's what's keeping me out. If I could just bounce into Heavensward stuff, I might actually consider it. It's basically like if you picked up World of Warcraft and they told you you had to finish every single raid in an expansion to get to the next expansion's content regardless of what the current content is. Eff. That. The only thing you're missing out on are the 3 jobs you don't get to play until you're level 50 and have completed the story line up to Heavensward. What you're saying is "I want to buy wow and start at level 1 and have access to garisons and alternate outland right away".
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Saxophone posted:The slight upswing to this is that you (theoretically) only ever have one character, because you can be and level every class and/or profession by simply switching to it. Not a fan of this notion at all. Holyshoot posted:The only thing you're missing out on are the 3 jobs you don't get to play until you're level 50 and have completed the story line up to Heavensward. What you're saying is "I want to buy wow and start at level 1 and have access to garisons and alternate outland right away". tbh what is the problem with this exactly?
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Anoia posted:Chum the waters a little more why don't you? Looks like it worked. Holyshoot posted:The only thing you're missing out on are the 3 jobs you don't get to play until you're level 50 and have completed the story line up to Heavensward. What you're saying is "I want to buy wow and start at level 1 and have access to garisons and alternate outland right away". Except wow does this by giving you a level 90.
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Kessel posted:Of course, anyone who attempts to bring this up in the main thread gets shouted down by a bunch of vocal idiots talking about THE INTEGRITY OF THE STORY and IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY STORY WHY YOU PLAY FF????. They're idiots, because telling potential returnees "hey there is all this cool new poo poo in the expansion and new classes and new everything" is pointless if you have to follow it up with "but you have to wade through multiple patches of rubbing perfume on a chocobo's rear end first". A lot of potential returning players simply won't bother. Holyshoot posted:The only thing you're missing out on are the 3 jobs you don't get to play until you're level 50 and have completed the story line up to Heavensward. What you're saying is "I want to buy wow and start at level 1 and have access to garisons and alternate outland right away". 1) I don't see the problem with that. 2) I actually do see a problem in subsequent sales. I would have purchased the expansion if I didn't have to catch up through all the story quests. I can't, so I didn't. I know more than a few people who are in the same boat as me. This causes less population and less money to the company making the game you like and need other people to play. It's literally in your best interests as a player and a company to let people hit the ground running in a new expansion. 3) At least in WoW I can hit the requisite expansion starting level and immediately go play with my friends. FF14 is asking me to then complete all of Mists of Pandaria's raids once I hit the expansions starting level and THEN I can go play this game with my friends, who will likely be even further ahead of me because I've been slogging through this stuff. This is literally why they're now allowing you to bring a character to the expansion's starting level.
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Saxophone posted:It's literally in your best interests as a player if there's anything the Wildstar thread has managed to demonstrate, it's that MMO players do not understand this concept
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Holyshoot posted:The only thing you're missing out on are the 3 jobs you don't get to play until you're level 50 and have completed the story line up to Heavensward. What you're saying is "I want to buy wow and start at level 1 and have access to garisons and alternate outland right away". The difference is dude has a level 45 guy and he wants to buy the expansion, get to level 50 (however that may be), and not be assed to have to run around the world finishing whatever remains of the story quests. That really isn't a lot to ask. Me buying the game and expecting to be able to do Heavensward jobs from level 1 is different from some dude coming back after so many patches and an expansion and not getting to do anything with the expansion even after he hits max level, because he didn't get to see the triumphant ending of Final Fantasy Story Number 17. Like other people have been saying, it's like if you hit 100 in Warcraft but had to have the achievements from previous dungeons in older content to do Hellfire Citadel, and oh it also levels you down to be level appropriate with said dungeons because reasons. Unless they don't do this any more; I got to like level 25 in FF14 before I quit. I mean poo poo at least in Wildstar you can hit 50 and only have to do a few dungeons to raid after the most recent changes.
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