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In other Reactionary rear end in a top hat Bullshit news, the Hugo awards were tonight and the "Sad Puppies" nominees lost to "No Award" nearly across the board, except when they lost to a translation of a foreign work. The results for the Novellas category were particularly brutal: https://twitter.com/cstross/status/635330705275375616
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Aug 23, 2015 09:37
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Short version: reactionaries tried to stuff the ballot box for the Hugo awards this year because they thought that it was being ruined by women and minorities and socialists. The "Sad Puppies" were one of the groups involved. The whole thing backfired spectacularly. There's been plenty of writing about it already on news sites.
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Aug 23, 2015 09:44
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Race Realists posted:Who are Sad Puppies? Sci-fi authors and fans trying to return to a happier, more peaceful time when there weren't so many goddamned blacks/gays/women writing and appearing in their genre.
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Aug 23, 2015 09:44
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A Man With A Plan posted:What do you think? "Lady, please look at my mighty codpiece." \ 
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Aug 23, 2015 11:50
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Heresiarch posted:In other Reactionary rear end in a top hat Bullshit news, the Hugo awards were tonight and the "Sad Puppies" nominees lost to "No Award" nearly across the board, except when they lost to a translation of a foreign work. lol "@GamerGateManFort" My mental picture that goes with that handle is hilarious. https://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/635360041382473728
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Aug 23, 2015 11:54
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Darth Walrus posted:Sci-fi authors and fans trying to return to a happier, more peaceful time when there weren't so many goddamned blacks/gays/women writing and appearing in their genre. 
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Aug 23, 2015 12:34
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Munin posted:lol "@GamerGateManFort"
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Aug 23, 2015 13:16
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8/22/2015: The day literature died.
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Aug 23, 2015 14:08
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It cannot be said enough, in this or any other thread, that the leaders of this movement were the following: One: A man who was disappointed that he couldn't judge a book by its cover, and that literary awards in a progressive genre were dominated by literary works that explored progressive themes. Two: Someone who just really really wanted to stick it to the left and really really wanted a Hugo Award. Three: A fascist. Black people aren't really people, women shouldn't vote, and it's fine to throw acid at feminists. If you have time you should really explore the whole Sad/Rabid Puppy controversy. It's like Gamergate but somehow even more deluded and pretentious, and you get catharsis at the end since they were absolutely loving destroyed at the ballot.
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Aug 23, 2015 14:26
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Pierson posted:It cannot be said enough, in this or any other thread, that the leaders of this movement were the following:
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Aug 23, 2015 14:34
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People are still tweeting and smiling about it so a big breakdown may be a day or so out. For now here's the actual voting figures: http://www.thehugoawards.org/content/pdf/2015HugoStatistics.pdf Wherever there was an alternative to a Puppy-book, they got it. Where there was no alternative, no award was given out (you can vote 'No Award' in the Hugos as a valid choice). They were beaten by thousands of votes wherever they were. The only thing to get an award and be on the slate was Guardians of the Galaxy, which almost certainly would have won anyway even though personally I think Edge of Tomorrow should have gotten it with its better concept over a fun-and-colourful-but-still-kind-of-paint-by-numbers Marvel movie. They were told absolutely and unequivocally that they were not wanted, and were shown exactly how small they were.
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Aug 23, 2015 14:53
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Cingulate posted:Is there a good post-vote write-up yet? The sacking of the Library of Alexandria 
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Aug 23, 2015 14:56
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In an ancient galaxy not much unlike our own, a species was discovered that sustains itself entirely on ~~~reactionary tears~~~. Today, it is pleased. I feel mildly proud over this cause the last scifi book I bought had the word "biracial" in 2nd place for the author blurb.
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Aug 23, 2015 15:10
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The mental gymnastics required to believe that this is a loss for ideological neutrality are kind of impressive.
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Aug 23, 2015 15:10
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This but unironically (I'm rereading Dhalgren right now)
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Aug 23, 2015 15:29
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Lol, Ms. Marvel is the best science-fiction/fantasy comic of the year?
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Aug 23, 2015 15:45
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H. G. Wells was a socialist who used his fiction to combat things like the class system(The Time Machine), colonialism(War of the Worlds) and vivisection(The Island of Dr. Moreau). Dear God guys, the social justice warriors have a deeper foothold in SF than we thought!
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Aug 23, 2015 15:50
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The Vosgian Beast posted:H. G. Wells was a socialist who used his fiction to combat things like the class system(The Time Machine), colonialism(War of the Worlds) and vivisection(The Island of Dr. Moreau). And don't get me started on this Orwell guy.
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Aug 23, 2015 15:51
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Lol, Ms. Marvel is the best science-fiction/fantasy comic of the year?
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Aug 23, 2015 15:59
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Cingulate posted:In an ancient galaxy not much unlike our own, a species was discovered that sustains itself entirely on ~~~reactionary tears~~~. Today, it is pleased. The entire thing is so unimaginably stupid it's hard not to feel a sense of glee. No one is preventing them from writing good, old-fashioned sci fi where men are men and women need to be saved from the tentacled clutches of barely concealed standins for black people. It's just that other things are written now, and read now, and they just can't have that. I suspect it's the feeling that someone, somewhere, is enjoying something they don't approve of. But anyway, enjoy VC day, the day we won the culture war. Reaction has surrendered unconditionally.
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Aug 23, 2015 16:02
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Swan Oat posted:This but unironically (I'm rereading Dhalgren right now)
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Aug 23, 2015 16:05
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ArchangeI posted:The entire thing is so unimaginably stupid it's hard not to feel a sense of glee. No one is preventing them from writing good, old-fashioned sci fi where men are men and women need to be saved from the tentacled clutches of barely concealed standins for black people. It's just that other things are written now, and read now, and they just can't have that. I suspect it's the feeling that someone, somewhere, is enjoying something they don't approve of. The narrative is that mindless hordes of SJWs are pushing them out of nerddom by daring to exist in the places they do and occasionally make normative statements.
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Aug 23, 2015 16:18
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I wasn't really following the Hugos thing mostly just out of pessimism, that the Puppies' nominations would easily sweep the awards due to SF being all et up with lolberts, so actually feeling pretty good and pleasantly surprised about all this.
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Aug 23, 2015 16:31
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I love this new turn in the Culture War because it reminds us all that just because someone is a marginalized weirdo, that doesn't mean they have learned anything at all from being bullied and may in fact hate bullies because they wish they were strong or thin enough to bully others at the age of 25.
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Aug 23, 2015 16:35
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This talk of Culture War/Misogyny/Fascism in science fiction is making me think about Dave Sim.Dave Sim posted:In my view, it comes down to which you think is Paper Currency and which you think is Gold. To women, to the Emotional Female Void, their emotions, their feelings, are the Gold at the center of their economic system. Sex is the Paper Currency which represents one aspect of those emotions. To me Sex is the Gold, female emotions the valueless bits of paper interposed between myself and the treasure. As the Emotional Female Void has become pre-eminent in our age, men have been offered two choices: either perceive Emotion as Gold or do without the Paper Currency. Of course, for men, the proposition becomes: "Either acknowledge that Paper Currency is more valuable than Gold, or do without the Gold." The majority of men have capitulated happily. Yes, yes, Paper Currency is more valuable. Can I have some Gold now? The answer, of course, is no. Why do you want Paper Currency (Gold) when I'm offering you all of this Gold (Paper Currency)? Women in the context of Merged Permanence develop a profound jealousy of their own bodies. For most men, the great myth of Merged Permanence is that you will "get it whenever you want it". Over a period of time, this becomes adjusted to "getting it regularly". Inevitably, this declines into "getting it on the rare occasions when she'll let me have some". There have been many historical precedents for women withdrawing sexual favours in order to assert their Power. Today, it is a worldwide, firmly entrenched phenomenon. "Women Who Refuse to Have Sex With Their Husbands" is not a topic that you are going to see documented in the Void-dominated media; it certainly is not going to be the subject of a week-long series on Oprah or Donahue. I venture to say if you want to find the leading cause of Domestic Violence, the subject is worth a second look. It is an intrinsic part of the Emotional Void's nature to focus on Symptoms when examination of the Problem is what is called for.   
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Here's Dave Sim's amazing 2004 interview with the AV Club:quote:O: Are there parts of your story that you would still like to address, or perspectives that you feel you haven't yet had the chance to get across?
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neonnoodle posted:In my view, it comes down to which you think is Paper Currency and which you think is Gold. To women, to the Emotional Female Void, their emotions, their feelings, are the Gold at the center of their economic system. Sex is the Paper Currency which represents one aspect of those emotions. To me Sex is the Gold, female emotions the valueless bits of paper interposed between myself and the treasure. As the Emotional Female Void has become pre-eminent in our age, men have been offered two choices: either perceive Emotion as Gold or do without the Paper Currency. Of course, for men, the proposition becomes: "Either acknowledge that Paper Currency is more valuable than Gold, or do without the Gold." The majority of men have capitulated happily. Yes, yes, Paper Currency is more valuable. Can I have some Gold now? The answer, of course, is no. Why do you want Paper Currency (Gold) when I'm offering you all of this Gold (Paper Currency)? Women in the context of Merged Permanence develop a profound jealousy of their own bodies. For most men, the great myth of Merged Permanence is that you will "get it whenever you want it". Over a period of time, this becomes adjusted to "getting it regularly". Inevitably, this declines into "getting it on the rare occasions when she'll let me have some". There have been many historical precedents for women withdrawing sexual favours in order to assert their Power. Today, it is a worldwide, firmly entrenched phenomenon. "Women Who Refuse to Have Sex With Their Husbands" is not a topic that you are going to see documented in the Void-dominated media; it certainly is not going to be the subject of a week-long series on Oprah or Donahue. I venture to say if you want to find the leading cause of Domestic Violence, the subject is worth a second look. It is an intrinsic part of the Emotional Void's nature to focus on Symptoms when examination of the Problem is what is called for.
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Aug 23, 2015 17:24
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The books that are most widely regarded as modern literature are exactly the sort of thing reactionaries are trying and failing to keep out of genre fiction. 
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Aug 23, 2015 17:30
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A god among sci fi authors who belongs on more bookshelves. Dhalgren is amazing
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Aug 23, 2015 17:36
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My greatest dream is that when Dave Sim dies, in his attic we'll find dozens of correspondence letters between him and Andrea Dworkin.
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Aug 23, 2015 17:37
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Cingulate posted:IMO everyone who conceptualises sex as a transfer of a good from the vagina owner to the penis owner this confidently deservers the consequences. 100% true. Gee I wonder why this dude can't get laid.
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Aug 23, 2015 17:47
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Sim is an unmedicated schizophrenic who just started drawing his delusions into his comic. The last 20 issues are him explaining how Genesis is an allegorical account of the Big Bang as described in A Brief History of Time, the only account of the Big Bang Sim had ever read. Perhaps his visions of 20 years ago were premonitions of the world to come on the internet.
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Here is the Sadpuppies saying they won after all post btw: http://voxday.blogspot.se/2015/08/hugo-2015-results.html Remember: SJWs always lie. [edit] Also, he wanted to burn down the best comic category with "No Award" because of too much woman and colored: http://voxday.blogspot.se/2015/07/hugo-recommendations-2015.html Though of course he doesn't directly state so himself. You have supporters in the comments filling in the blanks for him instead Munin has a new favorite as of 18:16 on Aug 23, 2015 |
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quote:Vox, you --- and we --- won. You are a brilliant strategist.  We're the real winners! Seriously though, I just heard of this, but doesn't this conclusively prove that the "SJWs" outnumber these guys? At the very least, in the category of "People who care enough to vote in the Hugo Awards"
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Nah he does state it if you do a Ctrl-F for 'graphic novel':quote:Maybe it's bait for the discerning SJW. The graphic novels are truly bottom of the barrel, treasonous, racist SJWism. No Award is doing their authors and publishers a favor. I was going to recommend this move as well, but that would be stepping out of character, being faceless and all.
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Munin posted:Here is the Sadpuppies saying they won after all post btw: To be fair to Ted Beale (Ugh) The Hugos are probably going to drastically change their nomination process because of this dumbshit stunt and that probably feels like a victory to some people.
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DarklyDreaming posted:To be fair to Ted Beale (Ugh) The Hugos are probably going to drastically change their nomination process because of this dumbshit stunt and that probably feels like a victory to some people. Charlie Stross assures us this is the case. So, looks like Eliezer will have to move to plan B!
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Aug 23, 2015 18:33
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Rules changes are for the Worldcon after next. He has a chance! Maybe he should team up with Vox Day to slip HPMOR onto the next rabid puppies slate. It's the only rational decision.
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DarklyDreaming posted:To be fair to Ted Beale (Ugh) The Hugos are probably going to drastically change their nomination process because of this dumbshit stunt and that probably feels like a victory to some people. Some people will watch the owner of a gay bar replace the glass of the front window with something more brick-resistant and pat themselves on the back for a job well done.
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