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The Vosgian Beast posted:The narrative is that mindless hordes of SJWs are pushing them out of nerddom by daring to exist in the places they do and occasionally make normative statements. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this because I haven't followed this in the slightest, and when I googled hugo awards the second hit was quote:Set Phasers to Kill! SJWs Burn Down The Hugo Awards To Prove How Tolerant And Welcoming They Are
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Aug 23, 2015 19:04
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divabot posted:So, looks like Eliezer will have to move to plan B!
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Aug 23, 2015 19:12
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Cingulate posted:What's Yud got to do with the Hugos? When he heard about the Sad Puppies he made plans to do the same to get his Harry Potter fanfic into the Hugos
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Aug 23, 2015 19:16
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DarklyDreaming posted:When he heard about the Sad Puppies he made plans to do the same to get his Harry Potter fanfic into the Hugos
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Aug 23, 2015 19:22
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I tried searching for the Vox Day community's justification for hating this year's graphic novels and all I could find was, roughly, "has lesbians, therefore filth" (Rat Queens) and "has Muslims, therefore vile" (Ms. Marvel). Definitely the words of people who don't want identity politics in comic books 
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Aug 23, 2015 19:36
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Curvature of Earth posted:I tried searching for the Vox Day community's justification for hating this year's graphic novels and all I could find was, roughly, "has lesbians, therefore filth" (Rat Queens) and "has Muslims, therefore vile" (Ms. Marvel).
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Aug 23, 2015 19:39
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Curvature of Earth posted:Definitely the words of people who don't want identity politics in comic books tbf I think Vox Day, unlike the Sad Puppies, has been pretty open about having a political agenda. It's the others that put on the contortion acts.
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I'm not opposed to either lesbians, mulisms, or lesbian muslisms in mainstream media as long as they're not dog whistles for right wing milita types or wank material for straight guys. Also,  if you don't thing at least part of their objection to Ms. Marvel is that she is wearing a more modest costume instead of that black and yellow outfight with the thigh high stripper boots.
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Aug 23, 2015 20:02
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Pierson posted:Nah he does state it if you do a Ctrl-F for 'graphic novel': His reply was: quote:It was on the Rabid Puppy nomination list and it's on the ballot ... so why No Award? "my gift ... I am kind."
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Aug 23, 2015 20:08
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The greatest tragedy is that Rat Queens deserved that award.
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And for anyone still confused about all of it, the Wired writeup on the Hugo shitstorm is very good.
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Vox Day posted:
Translation: Whiter than I am.
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Heresiarch posted:And for anyone still confused about all of it, the Wired writeup on the Hugo shitstorm is very good. The leader of the Rabid Puppies is a TvTroper apparently  I hate that I know this.
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Aug 23, 2015 21:29
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Heresiarch posted:And for anyone still confused about all of it, the Wired writeup on the Hugo shitstorm is very good. quote:In our telephone call a few weeks back, Beale explained that his plan was a “Xanatos gambit.” “That’s where you set it up so that no matter what your enemy does, he loses and you win.” What would this guy be like if he ever read an actual book?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The leader of the Rabid Puppies is a TvTroper apparently Same here. Wow, just wow. Isn't this just hilarious, a troper tried to ballot stuff the Hugo awards because it went against his views of more scifi stories. They even use the "but I'm a minority too, so I can't be a bigot." I feel glad that they were so soundly stomped.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The leader of the Rabid Puppies is a TvTroper apparently Wait, really?
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Darth Walrus posted:Wait, really?
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Nessus posted:Yes, TV Tropes decided that a "Xanatos gambit" is when the clever antagonist sets it up so that when the hero does a thing, their goals are furthered in some way. It's apparently after the guy from Gargoyles. Oh, right, I thought you meant you recognised him as a specific troper. Maybe Rottweiler or Jhimmibhob?
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Jack Gladney posted:In our telephone call a few weeks back, Beale explained that his plan was a “Xanatos gambit.” “That’s where you set it up so that no matter what your enemy does, he loses and you win.”
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Nessus posted:Yes, TV Tropes decided that a "Xanatos gambit" is when the clever antagonist sets it up so that when the hero does a thing, their goals are furthered in some way. It's apparently after the guy from Gargoyles. And here I thought he was making a clever allusion all on his own to the most sophisticated art he'd ever encountered, a true bon mot to be savored only by the elect few adults who watch children's cartoons. I hope he hangs himself in the bathroom.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The leader of the Rabid Puppies is a TvTroper apparently Given the incredibly generic contents of most sci-fi and fantasy novels, I'd believe it. The thing that strikes me as most appalling about the whole ordeal isn't that some guy is upset about skeletons and their treating people with respect, it's that he views turning something he likes a whole lot into a flaming shitpile instead of sharing it with 'people who have the temerity to write about things that he doesn't like' as a net win for 'his team'. I don't think it's the skeletons who have embraced 'scorched earth tactics' here.
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My friend just told me the following and I thought you'd like to hear:quote:A few years ago I tried to read a book written by one of the sad puppy dudes, the monster hunter international series, and I couldn't take it at ALL seriously because in the first few pages it was like "UH YEAH I'M PRETTY MUCH AN AWESOME BADASS, MY BOSS IS A PIECE OF poo poo WEAK LIBERAL BUT LUCKILY I CONCEALED-CARRY MY BIGASS GUN AT WORK SO WHEN HE TURNED INTO A WEREWOLF I BEAT HIS rear end UP AND SHOT HIM"
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The woman who wrote the Wired piece knew exactly how to make Vox Day/Beale look like an idiot: quote him. The man is a neverending font of distilled cringe.
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Aug 23, 2015 22:20
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Woolie Wool posted:The books that are most widely regarded as modern literature are exactly the sort of thing reactionaries are trying and failing to keep out of genre fiction. The general idea is that most areas of fiction and art have been agressively colonized by Thus, the support for stuff like Gamergate and this. It's a fight for their own existence! Kind of! If you squint and interpret everything everyone left of center-right says as a demand for Stalinist purging!
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:My friend just told me the following and I thought you'd like to hear: I think I reconginzed that from an aborted lets read. I'm not sure how the hell I recognize it since it is so generic it blends in with the wallpaper.
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Aug 23, 2015 22:45
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Just put in some Austrian school worship like in the second Hayek v Keynes youtube video and you're all set!
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The Vosgian Beast posted:The general idea is that most areas of fiction and art have been agressively colonized by Is there a Grand Unifying Theory of Nerd Awfulness somewhere?
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Woolie Wool posted:Is there a Grand Unifying Theory of Nerd Awfulness somewhere? Yes, the Five Geek Social Fallacies and A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy together form the lovely nerd dynamics bible. Curvature of Earth has a new favorite as of 00:15 on Aug 24, 2015 |
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Aug 24, 2015 00:11
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Woolie Wool posted:Is there a Grand Unifying Theory of Nerd Awfulness somewhere? "Nerds will aggressively pursue stasis/stagnation in their hobby when change/evolution would diminish their influence or require change in their behavior." I guess there we're getting into the semantics of nerd vs geek and positive vs negative fandom but yeah you're right Cingulate I'm being too harsh, I'm just a little annoyed at the entire drat situation. I bought my first sci-fi books because they had a Hugo sticker on the front. 
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Counterpoint: real geeks are some of the best people to have ever lived, and if you try to quantify your intuitions, you'll agree. The sad fate of the sad puppies is an example.
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Even in gaming I don't think that the majority of people who play video games have the fanatical devotion to misogyny that characterizes gamergate. It's easy to assume that it comes from being socially isolated/maladjusted but it's not like that's a requirement for a group of blue collar misogynists or rear end in a top hat Christian bigots. They're just Freeper types who read sci-fi.
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That Dave Sim article...Jesus H. Christ that guy is the most frothing at the mouth insane misogynist I have ever seen, and I've seen Gamergate. He probably imagines some future where (exclusively male) babies are gestated in artificial uterus machines, and none of the men (all men) who populate the earth have ever seen a woman or really remember what women were, and because they've learned to manfully disconnect themselves from the yonic vampire void of EMOTION  they cannot produce or appreciate anything of artistic value and the greatest treasure of their worthless culture is a comic book series about an aardvark. Beneath a soot-blackened sky thousands of monumental concrete penises reach for the heavens, containing the sleeping quarters of the worker units, whose entire existence is working to create more and better machines for the glory of the Male Light. They file through the streets, silently, obediently to the factories, where they sit down at their appointed benches and praise the almighty Phallussiah before beginning the 16-hour work day.
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The "nerds will seek stagnation" thing is sadly true, although it's usually true only of a certain percentage of the subculture, the most hardcore obsessives. Another example is how D&D 5th edition is essentially a throwback to much earlier editions, throwing out decades of more modern game design, because WOTC is more interested in the money of the hardcore "grognard" pen-and-paper RPG players than they are in the money of the kind of people who play (for example) 13th Age or something. This makes economic sense, you can sell endless supplements and rules to those kinds of players because they loathe the idea of free-form play and will always need more official material. Games like 13th Age are written specifically for players to go off and improvise and do their own thing so they don't require new content streams that make money flow back to the publisher. But these hardcore players are even more resistant to change than your average video gamer is, which is one of the reasons that pen-and-paper RPGs have failed to make the leap to the mainstream like so many other nerd hobbies. Not the only reason by far but it's certainly been a part of it. See also the hardcore Star Wars fandom's reaction to the unceremonious dispatch of the Extended Universe canon, etc. The more obsessive the fan, the less they like change.
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Woolie Wool posted:That Dave Sim article...Jesus H. Christ that guy is the most frothing at the mouth insane misogynist I have ever seen, and I've seen Gamergate. He probably imagines some future where (exclusively male) babies are gestated in artificial uterus machines, and none of the men (all men) who populate the earth have ever seen a woman or really remember what women were, and because they've learned to manfully disconnect themselves from the yonic vampire void of EMOTION  You have an interesting ability to follow these ideology's visions through to their terrifying conclusions.
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Three towering white marble lingams tower over the Church of the Phallussiah, where the workers gather on Sunday, their only day off from work. Here they worship their prophet Cerebus, who smote the vaginaed hell-beasts of the Merged Void in the Final War, and the triumph of Reason over the Emotion of Woman, man's greatest adversary. Hymns of perfectly structured, immaculately tuneless, mathematical precision waft over the congregation as they partake of the sacrament of the Seminal Energy (the details of which are left unexplained as an exercise for the reader's imagination).
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I've mentioned it before, but I love that this whole thing is just Italian Futurism again. Being able to count all the recurring themes in their idiocy makes me feel like all the time I spent studying it wasn't wasted after all.
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Tiberius Thyben posted:I've mentioned it before, but I love that this whole thing is just Italian Futurism again. Being able to count all the recurring themes in their idiocy makes me feel like all the time I spent studying it wasn't wasted after all. What was Italian Futurism?
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Night10194 posted:What was Italian Futurism? Basically the artistic part of Fascism. In truth they were more like concurrent movements and the futurists eventually fell into disfavour and got purged. E: and yes I agree with Tiberius Thyben that a lot of this echoes the same kind of masculinism and violence that the futurists loved a lot.
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Night10194 posted:What was Italian Futurism? It's not just "the artistic part of fascism", it's fascism as art. It's a violently emotional and histrionic ( ) form of expression based on glorifying raw, naked power. Its themes include loud, powerful machines, monumental but sparsely decorated buildings, weapons and warfare, swaggering martial music, and young strapping white men in uniforms making Hard Decisions and dying heroically for their country.Hey this sounds like nerd-dom, only the young white guys in futurism are hot.
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