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Gorilla Salad posted:Thematically it worked very well, and I loved that Snow defeated Mr Fantastic by outsmarting him. But the fact that he killed two people by making them fall to their deaths when they had just been shown to be wearing antigravity boots has always bugged the hell out of me. They're being lowered by a device on the vehicle/spaceship thing, but I will totally grant that this could be shown much more clearly.
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Avulsion posted:Do you seriously think I'd explain my master-stroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its outcome? I'm blanking here, which issue of Planetary is this from? Choco1980 posted:So, exactly how many not-fantastic-fours have there been so far. It seems like a trope I've run into more than once in my reading. One of the most famous examples being of course the Superman story that eventually spawned Hank Henshaw. There's a carbon copy of them in Astro City, although that's true of a lot of characters.
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Promethea had a pretty good riff on the FF as I recall, the Five Swell Guys. now they make hamburgers or something idk e: The Thing's analogue was by far the most entertaining, instead of Ben Grimm being turned into an orange rocky monster you have Roger getting turned into a hot beefy redhead and coping with getting groped and relentlessly hit on by jerks Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Aug 23, 2015 |
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Gorilla Salad posted:Is there something wrong with your brain? It's walrus, so that's a rhetorical question. Just do what everyone else does and don't engage him. Makes for a more pleasant time for all.
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There was the Terrific Trio in Batman Beyond. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C62U0yMAXcA
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Nobody mentioned Doom Patrol yet? The only good dark and broody version of the FF, in my view.
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Pieces of Peace posted:Nobody mentioned Doom Patrol yet? The only good dark and broody version of the FF, in my view. I've read some Doom Patrol, but I never really got a FF vibe from it. Could you elaborate a little?
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Skwirl posted:There was the Terrific Trio in Batman Beyond. Bloody hell, Terry killed most of the villains that appeared in his show didn't he?
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thebardyspoon posted:Bloody hell, Terry killed most of the villains that appeared in his show didn't he? He's not a very good Batman, all things considered.
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Lurdiak posted:He's not a very good Batman, all things considered. Terry was the best Batman. The Trio wasn't his fault. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Aug 23, 2015 |
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Senor Candle posted:I've read some Doom Patrol, but I never really got a FF vibe from it. Could you elaborate a little? It's a stretch (hah) but you could argue that Elasti-Girl is Mr. Fantastic, the Negative Man is the Human Torch, and Cliff is the Thing. I don't see it at all unless I squint real hard but there you go.
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thebardyspoon posted:Bloody hell, Terry killed most of the villains that appeared in his show didn't he? A lot of them did that classic thing where they do poo poo that leads to their own demise so that technically the hero stays innocent but yeah, a remarkable number of enemies died in his vicinity. The one that always sticks in my memory/nightmares is the reporter who built a phasing machine to pass through walls and spy on people but ended up stuck intangible phasing down to the center of the earth. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Aug 23, 2015 |
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TwoPair posted:The one that always sticks in my memory/nightmares is the reporter who built a phasing machine to pass through walls and spy on people but ended up stuck intangible phasing down to the center of the earth. Bruce was a real rear end in a top hat to that guy in his final moments, too. I mean yeah, there was nothing he could do to save him, or he probably would've, but drat. I did like how he just let Ras die, because it's like, come on, that guy should have been dead ages ago.
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Heresiarch posted:It's a stretch (hah) but you could argue that Elasti-Girl is Mr. Fantastic, the Negative Man is the Human Torch, and Cliff is the Thing. Yeah I can kind of see that.
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thebardyspoon posted:Bloody hell, Terry killed most of the villains that appeared in his show didn't he? Yeah, not using a gun was more a sense of style than any moral choice on that show.
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TwoPair posted:The one that always sticks in my memory/nightmares is the reporter who built a phasing machine to pass through walls and spy on people but ended up stuck intangible phasing down to the center of the earth. The one that always stuck out to me wasn't a guy dying - it was in the episode where he fights this teenagers who've been augmented with cybernetics by a prosthetics specialist; one of them has chainsaws in his wrists and knees, and when Terry works out the code word that deactivates their enhancements, the guy's arms and legs just... fall apart. 
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Wheat Loaf posted:The one that always stuck out to me wasn't a guy dying - it was in the episode where he fights this teenagers who've been augmented with cybernetics by a prosthetics specialist; one of them has chainsaws in his wrists and knees, and when Terry works out the code word that deactivates their enhancements, the guy's arms and legs just... fall apart. Don't forget at the end where the doctor puts the lead goon under to operate on him after discovering his wife was cheating on him with the guy
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Wheat Loaf posted:when Terry works out the code word that deactivates their enhancements, the guy's arms and legs just... fall apart. Like the guy who makes Inque his waifu while she's protoplasmic, then gets turned into jelly and has to suffer the same deminerding at the hands of someone else. BB Gotham was a monkey paw world.
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Batman Beyond had a bad habit of killing off villains, or turning them into gross monsters rather than letting them become a recurring part of Terry's Rogues Gallery. Like the Chimera guy, who made instant furry mutation drugs, and Terry beat him by jamming full of every needle of the stuff he could carry until the guy burst. 
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The villains were also strikingly one-dimensional compared to Batman: The Animated Series. No angst, no tragic origin, no pathological obsession, they were just assholes who sometimes turned into monsters. Blight was pretty good, but Big Time? What a lovely villain.
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To be fair to BB (and to bring this full circle a bit), it had a lot less continuity to work with and had to balance establishing new characters with providing sufficient action to justify its continued existence and build its fanbase, all without strip-mining BtAS for ideas. Given what it was following up on and how long it lasted, I really think the show did a remarkably good job of it- though I totally agree it got quite killy.
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Better than having villians constantly get away and break out every week. Spellbinder was the only reccuring villian that didn't have much depth, Inque and Blight were both pretty three diminsional and so were most of the one shots.
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Let's see... there were the FF equivalents in Alan Moore's 1963, the barely-veiled parody of the FF in "The Venture Brothers," the Inferior Five, the Incredibles, arguably Bill Willingham's Elementals when you consider the matching symbolism, the various self-parodies from What The--?!, and the Marvel Mangaverse (where Johnny was a chick and Reed could "stretch his brain" to get smarter).
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Did Bruce ever tell Terry to hold to a no-kill rule?
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I also remember the one where Bane has become a decrepit Venom-addicted invalid hooked up to a respirator whose minder is using his blood (?) to turn Venom into a performance-enhancing street drug, then dies (?) when he accidentally overdoses in a fight with Batman. Did any of the show's artists or animators ever produce any concept art of what Curare's face was meant to look like?
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Didn't Justice League Unlimited straight-up kill Terry in that time-travel episode? I don't remember it exactly because it wasn't one of my favourites, but I remember he gets it from the twin Joker girls, of all people. Like they rip him apart with electrified whips, his suit flatlines and we cut to Bruce's stunned reaction.
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He got better.
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All that was undone so it never happened, with the bad guy getting caught in a five second loop forever.
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Was that the same time travel episode where Old Batman and New Batman interrogate a guy? Flash: "Batman's the Good Cop?" Jon: "Everything's relative."
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fatherdog posted:Flash: "Batman's the Good Cop?"
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FilthyImp posted:OldBruce: " I can't believe I was ever that green..." My favorite exchange was the Old Ways Work best - I can't recall if superstitious and cowardly had been metioned before the musical with Shriek earlier, but I loved the call back. Terry: "It's not going to work, you don't know your way around here. A lot of things have changed" Modern Bruce: "Are criminals still superstitious and cowardly?" Future/Old Bruce: "Yep" Modern Bruce: "Good enough for me"
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Nilbop posted:Didn't Justice League Unlimited straight-up kill Terry in that time-travel episode? I don't remember it exactly because it wasn't one of my favourites, but I remember he gets it from the twin Joker girls, of all people. Like they rip him apart with electrified whips, his suit flatlines and we cut to Bruce's stunned reaction. That was a timey wimey bull that was immediately undone. However, there was a different JLU episode that was basically the finale to BB that they never got to make that not only tied into JLU's plot heavily, but BB's as well, and revealed...things about the show.
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Choco1980 posted:That was a timey wimey bull that was immediately undone. However, there was a different JLU episode that was basically the finale to BB that they never got to make that not only tied into JLU's plot heavily, but BB's as well, and revealed...things about the show. Well whatever you do, don't tell us about them
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Wheat Loaf posted:Did any of the show's artists or animators ever produce any concept art of what Curare's face was meant to look like? In one of the BB comic runs you see her pre-Curare also she is the sister of Kai-Ro, the BB Green Lantern.
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Opopanax posted:Well whatever you do, don't tell us about them Terry is Batman's son, via some genetic manipulation by Amanda Waller. He was bred to be the next Batman.
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Say Nothing posted:Terry is Batman's son, via some genetic manipulation by Amanda Waller. He was bred to be the next Batman. Still better than what they originally had planned. http://jl.toonzone.net/episode50/episode50.htm As much as I love Batman Beyond, looking back there was a sense that they were throwing everything against the wall and seeing if it stuck. At least they dropped the whole "Bruce and Barbara" pairing. Which, last time I heard, the Batman Beyond 2.0 comics not only picked it back up, but doubled down on it 
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Lurdiak posted:Here's Uncle Ben chopping off Flash Thompson's balls after hearing him call Peter a "pipsqueak" There's a great unwritten What If out there where Uncle Ben gets bitten by that radioactive spider and he thwarts villains by giving them stern talking-tos.
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Incidentally, Uncle Ben's stern dad attitude actually causes some problems for Pete, and since they happen early in his career, back when he was still kind of a dick, it leads to some pretty unexpected turns. It's a pretty interesting What If all around.
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I imagine Peter became the world's greatest pro wrestler in a world where Uncle Ben lived.
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Wanderer posted:(where Johnny was a chick and Reed could "stretch his brain" to get smarter). I may be misremembering, but didn't Earth X Reed stretch his brain so that he could use Professor X-style telepathy?
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