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No Butt Stuff posted:How about we stop giving exemptions to churches. Let's just stop that poo poo. Good luck getting elected when the Church is saying you're a dickhead.
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Fans posted:Good luck getting elected when the Church is saying you're a dickhead. Yeah pretty much the same problem here as any other "good for people, bad for politicians" reform. You either have to not tell anyone you're going to do it and then somehow get it through on your first term in office (because even if you fail, the attempt will poison your political career so badly you won't get a second one), or be honest about your intentions, get maybe 1% of the vote from the people that actually care about that issue, and never actually have the power necessary to enact any sort of change.
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Lascivious Sloth posted:for reals, this is the answer. if the argument is that churches help people and are charitable, well then they can open up a branch of their church that is a charity, but is scrutinised that the money is actually going to charity and not into the pockets of the church leaders and has to conform to all the standards that NGOs have. There's so many actual charities and NGOs etc that have a terrible rate of their donations actually getting to people that need them that it makes churches look good by comparison. They're less scammy just by nature of not purporting to have jesus give you a mercedes, but if you think you're helping the children or whatnot you'd do well to look twice at where the money really goes.
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Yeah, even charities that are generally good can be incredibly corrupt, depending on where you look. United Way, for example, has a huge swing in actual charity activity based on location.
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hubris.height posted:Yeah, even charities that are generally good can be incredibly corrupt, depending on where you look. United Way, for example, has a huge swing in actual charity activity based on location. I don't know much about charitable organizations, although I am inclined to trust them more than churches when it comes to actually helping people. That said, my girlfriend talked to a guy at a wedding reception last summer who was bragging about how profitable NGO work is. He literally got into charity for the money. I guess the lesson is to be aware of how an organization spends its money before donating.
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MrPablo posted:I don't know much about charitable organizations, although I am inclined to trust them more than churches when it comes to actually helping people. It's easy to say that when you only see megachurches and televangelists scamming people. Actual churches that try to practice what they preach often are doing a lot of good running food banks etc. I say this as a life-long atheist fwiw.
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Austrian mook posted:Stupid people don't deserve to be scammed out of their money. It's not even about being stupid. Everyone has something that they want so badly that they're not completely rational about it. Thinking it's about IQ is not only inaccurate but puts you at bigger risk for being conned yourself.
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IRQ posted:It's easy to say that when you only see megachurches and televangelists scamming people. Actual churches that try to practice what they preach often are doing a lot of good running food banks etc. I say this as a life-long atheist fwiw. I realize that there are many churches that do a lot of good and I didn't intend to suggest otherwise. Unfortunately many churches also have regressive and morally repugnant positions on abortion, birth control, foreign policy, homosexuality, science, and sex education. I can't justify supporting charity work at the expense of these other issues, and that is why I am inclined to trust charitable organizations more than churches.
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readingatwork posted:It's not even about being stupid. Everyone has something that they want so badly that they're not completely rational about it. Thinking it's about IQ is not only inaccurate but puts you at bigger risk for being conned yourself. That always reminds me of the story of Steve Jobs, who delayed treating his cancer for two and a half months because he thought he had magic powers MrPablo posted:Unfortunately many churches also have regressive and morally repugnant positions on abortion, birth control, foreign policy, homosexuality, science, and sex education. I can't justify supporting charity work at the expense of these other issues, and that is why I am inclined to trust charitable organizations more than churches. Are you saying you're incapable of trusting someone who holds different political beliefs than yourself? What kind of childish nonsense is that?
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IRQ posted:There's so many actual charities and NGOs etc that have a terrible rate of their donations actually getting to people that need them that it makes churches look good by comparison. They're less scammy just by nature of not purporting to have jesus give you a mercedes, but if you think you're helping the children or whatnot you'd do well to look twice at where the money really goes. The majority of charities (including the big name ones) are entirely on the up and up with the vast majority of non-direct spending being invested into fundraising (ie. allowing for larger direct spending in the future) and miniscule amounts going into admin/wages/etc.?
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Rarity posted:The majority of charities (including the big name ones) are entirely on the up and up with the vast majority of non-direct spending being invested into fundraising (ie. allowing for larger direct spending in the future) and miniscule amounts going into admin/wages/etc.? Are we talking charities or nonprofits because then we would also have to take into account the vast amount of sport nonprofits that are definitely aimed at profits before all else.
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Irish Joe posted:Are you saying you're incapable of trusting someone who holds different political beliefs than yourself? What kind of childish nonsense is that? Hi Irish Joe!
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Irish Joe posted:Are you saying you're incapable of trusting someone who holds different political beliefs than yourself? What kind of childish nonsense is that? lmao you're just the worst
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Soylentbits posted:Are we talking charities or nonprofits because then we would also have to take into account the vast amount of sport nonprofits that are definitely aimed at profits before all else. Definitely just charities
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I'd call out local "charities" as well, which in some cases basically serve as a hobby for wealthy housewives to fund their next fancy luncheon and at the end hand over very little of the proceeds to the starving kitties/doggies/cancer kids/etc . ....and then there is the entire "Fun Run" industry built under the guise of "charity." Some tiny small town church or even a large church is going to be helping out a lot more at a personal level. Televangelists are a special breed of scuzz and old/misguided/potentially dumb people should be protected from them. Unrelated to televangelists but I'm pretty sure my granpa before he died in his 80's got swindled for at least $25k by some shady investment person he met from his church. Predators are everywhere. Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Aug 19, 2015 |
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readingatwork posted:It's not even about being stupid. Everyone has something that they want so badly that they're not completely rational about it. Thinking it's about IQ is not only inaccurate but puts you at bigger risk for being conned yourself. One of those things, amazingly, can be "not to die when you've been told you will die."
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Pick posted:One of those things, amazingly, can be "not to die when you've been told you will die." Yes, that's the central con which makes it all work.
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Fans posted:Good luck getting elected when the Church is saying you're a dickhead. Technically part of the whole no taxes thing is that churches aren't supposed to officially get involved with politics. Like a lot of other parts in practice nobody ever enforces that rule.
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muscles like this? posted:Technically part of the whole no taxes thing is that churches aren't supposed to officially get involved with politics. Like a lot of other parts in practice nobody ever enforces that rule. I believe at least one priest said he'd refuse to give John Kerry the sacrament because of his abortion views.
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Just chiming in to remind you gently caress THE COPELANDS
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John's hit a nerve again. Christian pastor lashes out at ‘false reverend’ John Oliver for mocking predatory televangelists: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/christian-pastor-lashes-out-at-false-reverend-john-oliver-for-mocking-predatory-televangelists/
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Chand0X posted:John's hit a nerve again. Apparently the technical term for pissing your money away in hopes that god will fix your gambling debts is “supernatural debt cancellation," which is just golden bullshit spinning.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Apparently the technical term for pissing your money away in hopes that god will fix your gambling debts is “supernatural debt cancellation," which is just golden bullshit spinning. Yeah, tell that to the department of education and I'll believe in whatever deity that dumb bitch wants me to. Satan himself can't stop the government from getting theirs.
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Chand0X posted:John's hit a nerve again. "I had never heard of John Oliver until yesterday. Call me sheltered, but I don't waste my time watching junk on television when I could be making intercession, reading the Word, worshipping God, preaching the gospel, healing the sick or casting out devils." 
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I hope he gets a ton of flak from scam preachers for his piece. Any attention cast on these turds can only be good.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Any attention cast on these turds can only be good. Sadly you're wrong. They'll just keep going anyway. Peter Popoff was publicly exposed as a fraud on the biggest show at the time (Johnny Carson) by James Randi, and he's still going today.
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AFewBricksShy posted:Sadly you're wrong. They'll just keep going anyway. Peter Popoff was publicly exposed as a fraud on the biggest show at the time (Johnny Carson) by James Randi, and he's still going today. Not to mention that he could use the exact same method to scam people now as he did back then because you can pick up something to encrypt a radio transmission like it was bread.
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It'll at least inform people so they know that when their grandma is really into a televangelist it means they're probably getting strung along for a massive scam and need to be talked out of it. It's like how gambling and the lottery are still big even though everyone with any sense knows that the odds are against you. At least some people understand that it can turn into an addiction and they should get help.
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JT Jag posted:Tax-exempt status is given to a ton of organizations that don't really deserve it, and the very concept of full tax exemption in the United States should probably be reformed or abolished in favor of large tax credits if your organization can provide reasoning for why they deserve them. Non-profits that primarily do charity work would be able to get a 100% tax deduction in this way, and so forth. But it'd be audited. It would be a huge burden to smaller charities though. I'm the Treasurer of a very small, very local non-profit and if we had to actually do our taxes every year and not just send the IRS a postcard saying "yeah we're still not making a profit" it would take up almost a quarter of our budget. Just getting everything set up took over 6 months and dozens of forms and meetings with accountants. If you're not a religious organization there's a lot of hurdles you have to jump through.
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I am ready for church. Edit: I understood all those K-pop references. Jamesman fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Aug 24, 2015 |
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Aug 24, 2015 04:02
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Geese are rear end in a top hat ducks that got into Crossfit. Yes!!
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CSPAN callers are crazy as hell, but I really wish he'd give that bit a rest.
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Who is the goon that sent the beef jerky?
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Take my seed, you rat faced bastard
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Aug 24, 2015 04:29
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That's a big bag of seed.
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Zero One posted:That's a big bag of seed. Maybe the cum baker sent it in.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Take my seed, you rat faced bastard
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I am pleased that whenever LWT reaches out to the presidential/party candidates, Bernie Sanders is always on the list of people that responds and is always giving the right answers. Dude probably watches the show or something. You go Bernie.
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Not being a piece of poo poo is one of the reasons to support Bernie. I doubt he watches the show, he just has the right opinions in general.
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