Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Locked thread
ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Hexel posted:

If this is a legit no-scam no-troll thing then :vince: :vince: :vince: who's next gevlon?

https://gate.eveonline.com/profile/Xenuria

Welcome to Moviephone. Your options are:
* "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Goonp"
* "Random Acts of Porkbutte"
* "Dr. Xenuria, or: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Posting"

There are more important things going on, atm. For the love of god, we actually have Mittens logged in and leading fleets.

ullerrm fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Aug 24, 2015

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

ChickenWing
Jul 22, 2010

:v:


I swear I can hear the sounds of a fiddle coming from YA0.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Didn't Xenuria get outed as being unironically attracted to underage kids when he was running for CSM?

xilni
Feb 26, 2014




It's a sign to all of EVE. If Xenuria can go from Grrr Goons to Awww I love all the goonie toonies, anyone can. I can see it now, all citizens of Eve will soon accept the love that is the Imperium.

This is a cultural victory of sorts and a loss on other levels.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Unfunny Poster posted:

Didn't Xenuria get outed as being unironically attracted to underage kids when he was running for CSM?

Isn't Xenuria still a teenager himself?

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

blowfish posted:

agreed but lol look at the pubbie who thinks rep upvotes likes matter

You're lucky there's no rep buttons here. I would downvote brigade you into regretting that comment.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Libluini posted:

Isn't Xenuria still a teenager himself?

He wouldn't be allowed to run for CSM if he was.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

xilni posted:

It's a sign to all of EVE. If Xenuria can go from Grrr Goons to Awww I love all the goonie toonies, anyone can.
Xenuria was never grrr goons, just desperate for attention from anyone that will interact with him and for real mentally ill.


It just so happens that themittanidotcom is also so desperate that they'll take this crazy sad-sack as a writer and probably put him into karmafleet to keep him happy. When you think about it, this is all our fault for not being more supportive. :suicide:

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Delta Echo posted:

1. yes, as long as it isn't claimed by NPCs

2. Imperium has its own line of SKINs. Interbus, labelled IB, for Imperial Bee.

3. Domi looks great. Mostly due to new materials. Should appeal to aspies.

1. edit: what about faction space, like Intaki?

2. But what if you could design your own?

GrandTheftAutism fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Aug 24, 2015

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Klyith posted:

Xenuria was never grrr goons, just desperate for attention from anyone that will interact with him and for real mentally ill.


It just so happens that themittanidotcom is also so desperate that they'll take this crazy sad-sack as a writer and probably put him into karmafleet to keep him happy. When you think about it, this is all our fault for not being more supportive. :suicide:

So the EN24 approach with Gevlon, Seraph, and whatever tinfoil hat people they hired?

Zephyrine
Jun 10, 2014

This is what meat is supposed to be like, dingus


And so we reap what Sion sowed the day he fired deadtear.

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

ScreamingLlama posted:

1. edit: what about faction space, like Intaki?

2. But what if you could design your own?

If not Interbus I would make it look exactly like





And make a matching clothing line like

xilni
Feb 26, 2014




Klyith posted:

Xenuria was never grrr goons, just desperate for attention from anyone that will interact with him and for real mentally ill.


It just so happens that themittanidotcom is also so desperate that they'll take this crazy sad-sack as a writer and probably put him into karmafleet to keep him happy. When you think about it, this is all our fault for not being more supportive. :suicide:

Asides from "neurotypicals" being my trigger word, he wasn't bad at all on TMZ. A decent story of personal growth, plus I enjoy a good comeback story once in a while.

mpaarating
May 6, 2011

The Baddest Boi

Zephyrine posted:



And so we reap what Sion sowed the day he fired deadtear.

Over/Under on days till Xenuria is in Illum?

ChickenWing
Jul 22, 2010

:v:

mpaarating posted:

Over/Under on days till Xenuria is in Illum?

Not enough

Zasze
Apr 29, 2009

Is this before or after preencleeve is also let in.

ChickenWing
Jul 22, 2010

:v:

Zasze posted:

Is this before or after preencleeve is also let in.

yes

Khablam
Mar 29, 2012

Unfunny Poster posted:

Didn't Xenuria get outed as being unironically attracted to underage kids when he was running for CSM?

No you see he was just trolling / collecting secret evidence for the FBI when he tried to get a 12 year old (boy) to undress on webcam.
He gives off a massive enough creep-vibe that when he attended fanfest he largely made people leave / ask him to leave / threaten security when he was around them.
People who speak for him tend to handwave this all away as autism, but you can be autistic and not be a hyper creep. Much like you don't excuse the "I was just drunk" guy who is consistently violent when drunk, there's enough in his behaviour to make you want to stay away.

mpaarating
May 6, 2011

The Baddest Boi

Khablam posted:

No you see he was just trolling / collecting secret evidence for the FBI when he tried to get a 12 year old (boy) to undress on webcam.
He gives off a massive enough creep-vibe that when he attended fanfest he largely made people leave / ask him to leave / threaten security when he was around them.
People who speak for him tend to handwave this all away as autism, but you can be autistic and not be a hyper creep. Much like you don't excuse the "I was just drunk" guy who is consistently violent when drunk, there's enough in his behaviour to make you want to stay away.

I excuse that dude. If it doesn't come to blows when you drink, then you aren't giving it your all.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


I still won't unblock him after he would not shut up in local last night

SugarAddict
Oct 11, 2012

Delta Echo posted:

This goonfleet wiki article frames that video nicely perfectly.

https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Dissecting_Goon_Culture

I haven't been online for almost a year and I've been purged for inactivity so I don't have access to this page.

I don't think I read very much of the wiki either, I just hanged out and went on the occasional OP when I thought I had money to lose.

CashEnsign
Feb 7, 2015

Delta Echo posted:

You're lucky there's no rep buttons here. I would downvote brigade you into regretting that comment.

I miss the Kugu days. That being said, rep almost killed it and Vinny resseting the rep was actually one his few benevolent acts.

mpaarating
May 6, 2011

The Baddest Boi

CashEnsign posted:

I miss the Kugu days. That being said, rep almost killed it and Vinny resseting the rep was actually one his few benevolent acts.

What's rep.

SugarAddict
Oct 11, 2012
CCP Fozzie wrote:"
This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers."

"captain foivos" posted:

are you incapable of comprehending the problem that the speed limit was asked for as a solution

or do you just have an undying hard-on for frigates and T3 destroyers to be the only classes of ship worth flying in this game

these are serious questions

Possibly both?

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
I have a feeling he treats other devs the same way, being cryptic and leading them into loaded questions. I watched him do it to Apothne during the AT stream yesterday. I wouldn't talk to him at work. Actually if I found myself working with him I'd biomass myself.

If he stays silent and gives the dev version of 'because I said so,' it's a failure. The only thing he has to lose is his pride in revealing some of his theorycrafting to the player forum. Yes there will be poo poo spewed everywhere, but the point would be the occasional useful bits to brainstorm with.

I think his role would be better served by crowdsourcing the playerbase, which includes subject matter experts in all fields of the game.

There are no trade secrets worth keeping when it comes to game balance in EVE. No other games company is looking to EVE for cutting edge innovations in anything game-related.

CCP is also the only company I can think of who has directed so much player ire at itself.

Anagram of GINGER fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Aug 24, 2015

mpaarating
May 6, 2011

The Baddest Boi

Delta Echo posted:

I have a feeling he treats other devs the same way, being cryptic and leading them into loaded questions. I watched him do it to Apothne during the AT stream yesterday. I wouldn't talk to him at work. Actually if I found myself working with him I'd biomass myself.

I too would give a grown man the silent treatment over internet spaceships.

Uziduke
Jul 2, 2015

A storm over Europe unleashed
Dawn of war a trail of destruction
The power of Rome won't prevail
See the Catholics shiver and shake
Anyone know of any armor incursion fleets that will take logi 4 with Amarr or Gal Logi? I want some practice while training Logi to 5.

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

SugarAddict posted:

I haven't been online for almost a year and I've been purged for inactivity so I don't have access to this page.

I don't think I read very much of the wiki either, I just hanged out and went on the occasional OP when I thought I had money to lose.

Baically that is exactly the type of E/N fuel goons resub and deploy for, like you mentioned.

CashEnsign
Feb 7, 2015

mpaarating posted:

What's rep.

Upvotes before their were upvotes. And you had to leave a comment if you downvoted. Much like that thing you have on goonfleet.com/forums

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Unfunny Poster posted:

He wouldn't be allowed to run for CSM if he was.

Weird, I remember people claiming that he was 12-14 years old back in 2012. If he ran for CSM, CCP either didn't notice he was underage or he basically crept in with his 18th birthday for his run in 2015.

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Delta Echo posted:

I have a feeling he treats other devs the same way, being cryptic and leading them into loaded questions. I watched him do it to Apothne during the AT stream yesterday. I wouldn't talk to him at work. Actually if I found myself working with him I'd biomass myself.

If he stays silent and gives the dev version of 'because I said so,' it's a failure. The only thing he has to lose is his pride in revealing some of his theorycrafting to the player forum. Yes there will be poo poo spewed everywhere, but the point would be the occasional useful bits to brainstorm with.

I think his role would be better served by crowdsourcing the playerbase, which includes subject matter experts in all fields of the game.

There are no trade secrets worth keeping when it comes to game balance in EVE. No other games company is looking to EVE for cutting edge innovations in anything game-related.

CCP is also the only company I can think of who has directed so much player ire at itself.

Are you kidding? CCP is remarkably amiable with their playerbase. Sure, there's a lot of sperg, but have you seen the absolutely explosive ranting that goes on in mmochamp every time the WoW staff rebalances the tiniest thing? People loving make signs and protest outside Blizzard's corporate campus over poo poo. To wit, I haven't seen anyone carrying "Down With Fozzie" placards on Grandagaršur.

Fozzie's under a fuckton of stress; his name is associated, whether he deserves it or not, with an unpopular feature. And this is relatively unprecedented in Eve's history; nobody called the old sov mechanics "Abathursov." We didn't exactly refer to Phoebe as "Grayscaledrives" despite the fact that he deserved it. He is scrambling to find fixes, for a system that wasn't exclusively his creation, under an extremely short timeline.

I'm pointing and laughing at that thread just as much as anyone else -- probably even more so, since I know how to read a database dump and can see the effects, and understand why this behavior is happening -- but cut the man a tiny bit of slack.

(Also, trust me, Fozzie is quite easy to work with compared to some of the other CCP employees. You're talking out your rear end.)

ullerrm fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Aug 24, 2015

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

ullerrm posted:

We didn't exactly refer to Phoebe as "Grayscaledrives" despite the fact that he deserved it.

On the other hand, any discussion about jump fatigue generally contains at least one "gently caress Greyscale" or similar statement even if we don't call it greyds or whatever dumb punny name it would be


Also people went to go troll him at his new work

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
To believe lovable Flanders or the creepy dude who makes wannabe porno art of EVE characters dressed up like a Disney princess...

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

ullerrm posted:

Are you kidding? CCP is remarkably amiable with their playerbase. Sure, there's a lot of sperg, but have you seen the absolutely explosive ranting that goes on in mmochamp every time the WoW staff rebalances the tiniest thing? People loving make signs and protest outside Blizzard's corporate campus over poo poo. To wit, I haven't seen anyone carrying "Down With Fozzie" placards on Grandagaršur.

Fozzie's under a fuckton of stress; his name is associated, whether he deserves it or not, with an unpopular feature. And this is relatively unprecedented in Eve's history; nobody called the old sov mechanics "Abathursov." We didn't exactly refer to Phoebe as "Grayscaledrives" despite the fact that he deserved it. He is scrambling to find fixes, for a system that wasn't exclusively his creation, under an extremely short timeline.

I'm pointing and laughing at that thread just as much as anyone else -- probably even more so, since I know how to read a database dump and can see the effects, and understand why this behavior is happening -- but cut the man a tiny bit of slack.

(Also, trust me, Fozzie is quite easy to work with compared to some of the other CCP employees. You're talking out your rear end.)

Probably. I'd picket too maybe if I didn't have to go to Iceland first.

I still don't think he's excused from having a bit more open discussion.

In closing, I miss Soundwave very much. The way he fielded questions live was perfect. He was forthcoming, his explanations made sense, and his tone and demeanor did a lot to keep players civil.

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Unfunny Poster posted:

To believe lovable Flanders or the creepy dude who makes wannabe porno art of EVE characters dressed up like a Disney princess...

:blush:

The main thing I try to remember is that a lot of the game balance guys are not programmers. (Which is extra hard for me, since I'm a programmer.) Fozzie, Rise, etc. are limited to fiddling whatever knobs the code monkeys are willing/able to give them. He can ask for new knobs, certainly, but that takes time and budget.

There is a long-running project at CCP that basically involves redesigning all the balance knobs in a way that makes it easier to turn them, and to add new knobs. But it's not here yet. In the meantime, everyone has to make do with what they have. This is why, for example, some of the Tech3 destroyer bonuses are actually implemented server-side by attaching pirate frigate bonuses to the hull and then setting those knobs appropriately; it's a clever little hack that nobody notices unless they happen to take a very close look at the Dogma database. And ultimately, it's a hack that works.

The entosis speed limit is just one of those hacks that doesn't work so well.

e: ^^ On the off chance that you weren't aware, Soundwave is/was a Goon.

ullerrm fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Aug 24, 2015

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
Of course he is! I was a fanboi before I found out the backstory last week from reading his wiki entry. I knew there was something about Mary Soundwave.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ullerrm posted:

:blush:

The main thing I try to remember is that a lot of the game balance guys are not programmers. (Which is extra hard for me, since I'm a programmer.) Fozzie, Rise, etc. are limited to fiddling whatever knobs the code monkeys are willing/able to give them. He can ask for new knobs, certainly, but that takes time and budget.

There is a long-running project at CCP that basically involves redesigning all the balance knobs in a way that makes it easier to turn them, and to add new knobs. But it's not here yet. In the meantime, everyone has to make do with what they have. This is why, for example, some of the Tech3 destroyer bonuses are actually implemented server-side by attaching pirate frigate bonuses to the hull and then setting those knobs appropriately; it's a clever little hack that nobody notices unless they happen to take a very close look at the Dogma database. And ultimately, it's a hack that works.

The entosis speed limit is just one of those hacks that doesn't work so well.

e: ^^ On the off chance that you weren't aware, Soundwave is/was a Goon.

Have you see the claim that CCP Larriken, formerly of PL, should be prohibited from balancing anything related to supers or capitals because he'll make it so PL has an unfair advantage?

The anger from BRAVE members toward PL all these months later is great.

Wolfy
Jul 13, 2009

Yeah, CCP should be hiring guys out of Brave to redesign supers.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



You people concerned about Xenuria have way too much time on your hands. And Hendrick Talladar, people in socially autismic houses shouldn't throw pokemon cards.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

vyst posted:

shouldn't throw pokemon cards.
well of course not, they would bend or fold or get wear and that would obliterate the resale value

  • Locked thread