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I try to be fair to the Puppies, but they make it so loving hard.
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I see you've discovered John C. Wright http://www.scifiwright.com/2013/11/saving-science-fiction-from-strong-female-characters-part-1/ quote:I have an impulse to be kind to children with big eyes, which I think I should indulge, and I have an impulse to stab my rivals through eye and into the brain pan with my sword cane, which is an impulse I think I should suppress, not the least because my blade is dull and I am past the age when one can face the gallows with dignity.
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Aug 24, 2015 20:22
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darthbob88 posted:As long as we're making GBS threads all over Effective Altruism, my biggest beef is the way it feels like just shameful rationalization for things EA's would do anyway. Maximizing lives saved per dollar is pretty cool, but deciding that the best way to save the world is by either becoming rich or working on a cool computer science problem rather than actually helping people is less so. 'Sides which, it seems to me that fixing global poverty would be a necessary step to fixing any higher problems; more people trying to avert an AI apocalypse or build space stations can only help, and by some fortunate coincidence there are several billion people looking for paying work. GiveWell, at least, seems a lot more focused on fighting poverty and disease than on computer science problems.
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Aug 24, 2015 20:31
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Heresiarch posted:Hugo Nominee John C. Wright, ladies and gentlemen. The sourest of grapes.
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Aug 24, 2015 20:40
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:I see you've discovered John C. Wright Jesus, what a blowhard.
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Aug 24, 2015 20:40
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:I see you've discovered John C. Wright Ever notice how many of the more reactionary sci-fi authors are just staggeringly unimaginative?
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Aug 24, 2015 20:48
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Things I agree with John C. Wright on: 1. The Night Lands is a good book 2. The Amber Spyglass was a very sad excuse for a finale after two strong first books Things I do not agree with John C. Wright on: 1-∞: Everything else
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Aug 24, 2015 21:21
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Patrick Spens posted:I try to be fair to the Puppies, but they make it so loving hard. There is a reason these idiots are marginalized by society. 
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Aug 24, 2015 21:48
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:I see you've discovered John C. Wright John C. Wright posted:Masculine in general means direct in speech, confident in action, coolheaded in combat, lethal in war, honorable in tourney or melee, cunning in wit, unerring in deduction, glib in speech, and confident and bold in all things. Despite reactionary attempts to define masculinity as "being strong", in practice it is a delicate and ephemeral identity, prone to collapse at the slightest prodding. Being 100% masculine requires the denial of huge parts of one's own humanity. This is obviously impossible, which is why strict masculinity is neither a set of actions nor virtues (as reactionaries claim) but an illusion, which must be zealously policed at all times. It is a pile of quivering insecurities, maintained by childish posturing, and it can be brought down by getting called a fag in the locker room. That so many people spend such a vast amount of mental energy maintaining something so worthless is a tragedy. Also, by John C. Wright's own definition, none of the reactionaries mentioned in this thread qualify as masculine.  I rest my case. Curvature of Earth has a new favorite as of 22:03 on Aug 24, 2015 |
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Aug 24, 2015 22:01
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John C. Wright posted:Masculine in general means direct in speech, confident in action, coolheaded in combat, lethal in war, honorable in tourney or melee, cunning in wit, unerring in deduction, glib in speech, and confident and bold in all things.
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Aug 24, 2015 22:04
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Silver2195 posted:GiveWell, at least, seems a lot more focused on fighting poverty and disease than on computer science problems. GiveWell is heartily part of EA! But y'know, they seem basically sane about it. And let's link their review of the Singularity Institute again, it's champagne comedy. Luke Muehlhauser said some nutso things when at MIRI, but he was also in actual fact a kick-rear end nonprofit guy, so he should be very effective and useful at GiveWell. I mean, the idea of estimating the effectiveness of a given charitable action is not a terrible one. Or even comparing them, since dollars are fungible. But you can get a bit silly about it.
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Aug 24, 2015 22:24
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And if anybody's interested, today (purely by coincidence I'm sure) The Nation has an interview with the Puppy's antithesis, Samuel Delany. It's a hell of a read.
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Aug 24, 2015 23:12
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Heresiarch posted:And if anybody's interested, today (purely by coincidence I'm sure) The Nation has an interview with the Puppy's antithesis, Samuel Delany. It's a hell of a read. Huh, I thought he was dead. 13 year old freshly-gay me loved Dhalgren 
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Aug 24, 2015 23:29
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Heresiarch posted:And if anybody's interested, today (purely by coincidence I'm sure) The Nation has an interview with the Puppy's antithesis, Samuel Delany. It's a hell of a read. Seriously though... holy poo poo.  He's operating on another loving plane. Run tell 'em, Sam.
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Aug 25, 2015 01:49
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Huh, I thought he was dead. 13 year old freshly-gay me loved Dhalgren Dhalgren is an absolutely beautiful work. It's the book that turned me onto massive postmodernist doorstoppers. But I find that almost all of them seem to lack the heart that Dhalgren has.
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Aug 25, 2015 02:36
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Heresiarch posted:Hugo Nominee John C. Wright, ladies and gentlemen. Why was he going to win a writing award?
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Aug 25, 2015 06:12
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Somfin posted:Why was he going to win a writing award?
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Aug 25, 2015 06:55
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Samuel R. Delany owns. Dhalgren owns. Trouble On Triton owns. Empire Star owns. The Star Pit owns. Prismatica owns.
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Aug 25, 2015 07:05
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Aug 25, 2015 08:48
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chrisoya posted:Vox Day. I meant like Does he think that was good writing
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Aug 25, 2015 08:53
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Somfin posted:I meant like  What does your heart tell you?
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Aug 25, 2015 09:32
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Also, the page I got that image from has a nice sampling of the full range of idiotic and/or bigoted things John C. Wright believes. http://failfandomanonwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/94780361/John%20C%20Wright
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Aug 25, 2015 09:33
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BobHoward posted:
It says stop dressing like it's the middle of winter you loving clowns
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Aug 25, 2015 11:27
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Chocolate Teapot posted:It says stop dressing like it's the middle of winter you loving clowns Specifically, like the middle of winter 1951-52.
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Aug 25, 2015 12:03
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Pope Guilty posted:Specifically, like the middle of winter 1951-52. As depicted in an under-researched comic book.
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Aug 25, 2015 13:16
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Hate Fibration posted:Dhalgren is an absolutely beautiful work. It's the book that turned me onto massive postmodernist doorstoppers. But I find that almost all of them seem to lack the heart that Dhalgren has. ehh. I tried to read it for years, eventually got two hundred pages in, got sick of waiting for it to start and gave up. YMMV. On another note! argumate posted:clever parody of LessWrong home page: nostalgebraist posted:
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Aug 25, 2015 13:27
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Posting in this Dhalgren discussion for some username mileage  Apart from his fiction, his books on writing are really great, by the way. (Although his NAMBLA opinions are... uh... a bit offputting?)John C. Wright posted:Masculine in general means direct in speech, confident in action, coolheaded in combat, lethal in war, honorable in tourney or melee, cunning in wit, unerring in deduction, glib in speech, and confident and bold in all things.
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Aug 25, 2015 14:16
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For a rather through engagement with John C. Wright's politics, and then a subsequent dismantling of them, I'll direct you to CS Lewis scholar Andrew Rilstone: http://www.andrewrilstone.com/2015/08/rilstone-reads-puppy.html
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Aug 25, 2015 14:36
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Maybe these people's "game" with women would work better if they dressed in seasonally appropriate clothes so they wouldn't sweat all day and smell like a dead goat. Though you can dress lighter and take a shower to stop smelling like an rear end in a top hat, it won't make you stop being one.
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Aug 25, 2015 15:47
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Does this guy actually know
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Aug 25, 2015 16:11
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Posting in this Dhalgren discussion for some username mileage Direct in speech, yet also glib in speech, that seems a bit contradictory.
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Aug 25, 2015 18:39
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He probably thinks it just means "smooth" instead of "smooth and insincere".
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Aug 25, 2015 19:18
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I used to think the same thing. Mind you, I wasn't a past-middle age man who literally wrote for a living, so.
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Aug 25, 2015 19:24
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Toph Bei Fong posted:For a rather through engagement with John C. Wright's politics, and then a subsequent dismantling of them, I'll direct you to CS Lewis scholar Andrew Rilstone: http://www.andrewrilstone.com/2015/08/rilstone-reads-puppy.html It's always amazing to see a liberal devout Christian address a neoreactionary claim. I feel it's more effective than stuff like SlateStarCodex's exhaustive anti-NRx piece, because the liberal Christian stuff touches more on reactionaries' style, moral assumptions, and theology, which are pretty much all neoreactionaries have (they don't care about substantive debate, hence Moldbug's deliberate paradoxically dense puffery, and why SSC's mega-rebuttal had zero impact on them). I would pay money to see Fred Clark from Slacktivist write more about neoreactionaries (a real shame he has his hands full countering the more mainstream right-wing Evangelical stuff). Curvature of Earth has a new favorite as of 21:46 on Aug 25, 2015 |
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Aug 25, 2015 20:19
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Posting in this Dhalgren discussion for some username mileage What NAMBLA opinions? I'm really hoping it doesn't turn out another author I like is a terrible person deep down.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:38
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Terrible Opinions posted:What NAMBLA opinions? I'm really hoping it doesn't turn out another author I like is a terrible person deep down.
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Aug 25, 2015 22:10
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Delany's views are complicated, and influenced by his own experiences as a child. This particular conversation is very recent and probably a lot more useful than the infamous statement from the 90's; it's also not really on topic for the thread and I'm sharing it because people are asking. And no, I don't agree with him either on a lot of the subject but the situation is a lot more nuanced than "he's a NAMBLA supporter", read the whole conversation and draw your own opinions.
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Aug 25, 2015 22:28
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Terrible Opinions posted:What NAMBLA opinions? I'm really hoping it doesn't turn out another author I like is a terrible person deep down. Words found here. Long and complicated but seems to be boiled down to 'was involved in sexual relationship with an adult at a young age and claims it didn't damage him'. Now thinks age limits are a brute solution to a complicated issue. Somebody correct me if I missed some huge 'oh and I like loving toddlers' in there somewhere.
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Aug 25, 2015 22:35
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Wait, NAMBLA is real? I honestly thought South Park made it up. It seemed like some ridiculous parody of a real organisation. That's uh ... that's sure something.
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darkwasthenight posted:Somebody correct me if I missed some huge 'oh and I like loving toddlers' in there somewhere. No, but that's how Vox Day spun it. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Theodore Beale is a shallow, petty, unprincipled man who is proud of his own cruelty. His fiction writing is unremarkable* and his nonfiction writing is so bad I keep expecting to scroll up and see the National Review banner. *I'm shocked every time ClarkHat praises Beale's books, considering how ClarkHat thinks so highly of his own taste in science fiction.
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