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Yawgmoft posted:I'm going to have to echo Big Mean Jerk why ever run a standard X-wing again? Will there be era tournaments? For the same reason you did before the new core set came out. The unique pilot abilities. I have not seen anyone run a generic X-Wing in the 6 months of weekly playing at the FLGS. You occasionally see Biggs, Luke, or Wedge mixed in though, and I expect you will continue to see them mixed in. It looks like they made the T-70 good enough that it will fill a nice filler spot where before it would have been 2 Z-95s.
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Here's the height of the bitching about spoilers from today's Facebook drama. I just love it. "We have to stop this to save my precious playtester access... the people who want to see spoilers are so entitled."
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Aug 25, 2015 03:47
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"Spoilers" for a plastic spaceship game. That's an actual thing that some sad shut-in is upset about tonight.
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Poopy Palpy posted:Here's the height of the bitching about spoilers from today's Facebook drama. Throw a bag of flaming poo poo through this nerds front window.
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Orvin posted:For the same reason you did before the new core set came out. The unique pilot abilities. I have not seen anyone run a generic X-Wing in the 6 months of weekly playing at the FLGS. You occasionally see Biggs, Luke, or Wedge mixed in though, and I expect you will continue to see them mixed in. Also the T65 is still cheaper. Wedge Antilles, the most expensive, high PS X-Wang pilot hisself, is 29 points for PS9 and a pretty killer ability. Poe Dameron is 31 points for PS 8 and while his ability is nice it can also be shut down a few ways, on the upside he comes with native boost. I can see it being a situational choice rather than "oh this one is inherently better."
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Can someone update the OP to warn new players that they will  need to buy the new core set in order to gain access to the new damage cards ? Thanks. I think there will be enough of the old core sets and pilots around that wedge et al. won't be scalped.
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Chill la Chill posted:Can someone update the OP to warn new players that they will I was gonna kinda bitch about this, but I've bought a total of 10 core sets for 4 LCGs and 2 Wangs core sets already, so whatever. Not like I wasn't going to buy it anyways, those dials. 
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Devlan Mud posted:I was gonna kinda bitch about this, but I've bought a total of 10 core sets for 4 LCGs and 2 Wangs core sets already, so whatever. Not like I wasn't going to buy it anyways, those dials. I mean that's really the trick of it, isn't it? You can look at it as "ugh FFG making us buy new damage decks" but were you really not gonna go for three new ships complete with new pilot cards, upgrades, etc? And as a bonus you get a whole new set of templates and some extra dice.
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So as someone wanting to start getting their hands on some wangs should I snatch up an old core set still or just get the new one?
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Just get the new one. Enough people have the old one that it's easy to get the models and cards. I mean, even I might do it cuz you could subsidize the cost of the new core set with the old one.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:So as someone wanting to start getting their hands on some wangs should I snatch up an old core set still or just get the new one? Honestly, getting one of each wouldn't be the worst idea. It'll save you from needing to buy another set of dice (which you'll want to do, trust me) and it'll give you two sets of templates, one for you and one for your opponent, plus both sets come with exclusive pilots and cards. The only thing that'll be redundant by the sound of it is the core set damage deck which is being updaterrata'd.
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Devlan Mud posted:Holy gently caress. I'm going to be hard as a loving rock from today until I get my hands on at least three of the new X-wings.
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Kai Tave posted:Honestly, getting one of each wouldn't be the worst idea. It'll save you from needing to buy another set of dice (which you'll want to do, trust me) and it'll give you two sets of templates, one for you and one for your opponent, plus both sets come with exclusive pilots and cards. The only thing that'll be redundant by the sound of it is the core set damage deck which is being updaterrata'd. That's what I was thinking. I'm considering getting into X-Wing and it seems like a new and old core set would be enough to build a good 2 player list off of  edit: Would the original rebel/imperial core set be reprinted with the new damage decks? canyoneer fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Aug 25, 2015 |
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canyoneer posted:edit: It's possible but unlikely, FFG doesn't seem to be into issuing errata'd components even in further printings, or even new releases. As an example I recently bought the Imperial Raider, the latest Huge ship to come out since the Tantive and the Rebel Transport. In the interim since the Tantive came out FFG made some changes to the way Huge ships worked, most notably that while Huge ships have attacks that can go as far as range 5 (whereas most ships top out at range 3) that defending ships still only receive a single bonus green die regardless of whether they're at range 3-5. This was errata'd from how it worked originally where being at range 4 gave you two bonus dice and range 3 gave you three, because they found that this made Huge ships rather toothless at longer ranges. So what does the instruction booklet for the Raider say when it talks about range 4-5 attacks? That they give you 2-3 bonus green dice when defending, i.e. exactly what it was errata'd away from. Kind of ridiculous if you ask me but there you go.
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Hell, I think if it wasn't for the new pictures of the rule book blurbs mentioning the new sub factions I'd assume the new edition books would still say ties default to Imperial.
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guys I don't see how this is bigger news than me beating 3 elite xwings with a guri list 
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Irom posted:guys I don't see how this is bigger news than me beating 3 elite xwings with a guri list To be fair I'm a big Guri fan my own self, though I usually kit her out with the works...VI, Virago, Advanced Sensors, Autothrusters, and I think when I finally get my grubby hands on Wave 7 that Glitterstim's going to be my go-to Illicit upgrade. At the least I feel like if you don't take Autothrusters on a ship with Boost you need a good reason why not. But I've had a lot of luck with her in the past and so anyone who takes her (or Xizor I guess) to the table gets a thumbs up from me.
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Can't hear y'all over the sound of this Motherfucking TALLON ROLL
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yellowjournalism posted:Can't hear y'all over the sound of this Motherfucking TALLON ROLL
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Drifting starfighters in space hell yeah :2fast:
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A couple of days ago I called a K-Turn an Immelmann and got some dirty looks. And that thing is going to be called a lag roll. Come at me, nerds. EDIT: Ok, the Eagle 5 is allowed to drift:  Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Aug 25, 2015 |
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Archenteron posted:Drifting starfighters in space hell yeah :2fast: T70 X-Wings versus dual IG-2000's. Star Wars: Coruscant Drift
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Fat Samurai posted:A couple of days ago I called a K-Turn an Immelmann and got some dirty looks. And that thing is going to be called a lag roll. Hah, this is my exact mindset.  However whenever I call a K-Turn an Immelmann turn in public (well, the xwing-playing public, anyway), I get confused looks more than dirty looks, which I must admit is slightly disappointing! (apart from the one grognard neckbeard present who knew exactly what I meant and was highly displeased)On another note, although I have a Plano double-sided case, it's not so good in terms of card storage. Currently I use elastic bands to bind the decks, then have them stored in a large double-seal snaplock bag, however I don't think this'll last me for the long-term. So, what do you all use to store large quantities of EDIT: vvv Yeah I know what you mean - I have no idea why it's such a big deal for some people, but I'll be damned if it's not something I'm going to press when the opportunity arises! Major Isoor fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Aug 25, 2015 |
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Major Isoor posted:Hah, this is my exact mindset. Why the heck are people getting pissed someone knows what an Immelmann is? Am I missing something here or is this just nerds getting bitchy about people not using proper verisimilitudinous terminology? THEN HOW COME IT'S CALLED A BARREL ROLL AND NOT A ZARGOZIAN FLIP-TWIST, HUH? Do they even have barrels in Star Wars? Didn't think so.
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Poe Dameron (31) Weapon Guidance (2) Push the Limit (3) Proton Torpedoes (4) R5-P9 (3) Autothrusters (2) Red Squadron Veteran (26) Autothrusters (2) Adrenaline Rush (1) Blue Squadron Novice (24) Autothrusters (2) Total: 100 Bring it on, motherfuckers. Normally Proton Torpedoes are a pipe dream of "I want to like them but they suck". BUT with Poe and Weapon Guidance specifically they're loving awesome. Get a focus result changed to a crit normally. Poe's ability changes another focus to a hit for free as long as he has a focus. With PTL, he should have a focus. Spend the focus with Weapon Guidance to change a blank to a hit, and you've got a statistical average of 3 hits and a crit. Relies a bit on not blanking out, but really what doesn't? Red Squad guy gets Adrenaline Rush just for the "Hahaha, gently caress you" rush of pulling a Tallon Roll and then boosting back into some useless loser's face for a range 1 shot out of nowhere.
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Kai Tave posted:Why the heck are people getting pissed someone knows what an Immelmann is? Am I missing something here or is this just nerds getting bitchy about people not using proper verisimilitudinous terminology? THEN HOW COME IT'S CALLED A BARREL ROLL AND NOT A ZARGOZIAN FLIP-TWIST, HUH? Do they even have barrels in Star Wars? Didn't think so. Immelman is a proper noun, and the maneuver is named for German pilot Max Immelman, who developed the maneuver during WW1. Obviously, Star Wars did not have a WW1. The barrel roll is not named for anyone in particular, and is called that because the maneuver resembles the craft looping around the perimeter of a barrel. There are, in fact, barrels in Star Wars. Go figure. I don't particularly give a gently caress what someone calls it, but it'd be kinda dumb to call it an Immelman no matter how identical the maneuver is if the setting is Star Wars.
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Kai Tave posted:Why the heck are people getting pissed someone knows what an Immelmann is? Am I missing something here or is this just nerds getting bitchy about people not using proper verisimilitudinous terminology? THEN HOW COME IT'S CALLED A BARREL ROLL AND NOT A ZARGOZIAN FLIP-TWIST, HUH? Do they even have barrels in Star Wars? Didn't think so. actually they did, as you would know if you checked the wiki http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Barrel
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willus posted:actually they did, as you would know if you checked the wiki http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Barrel  Star Wars nerds never cease to amaze me.
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the star wars wiki is a fantastic work of art e: "You can help Wookieepedia by expanding it." i don't know that expanding the barrel page would in face help wookiepedia
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Wait - How is the new damage deck going to work? Do you have to use the new cards? Do you just use one of the decks, and that's the one you use, what? That's actually really confusing.
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Shockeh posted:Wait - How is the new damage deck going to work? Do you have to use the new cards? Do you just use one of the decks, and that's the one you use, what? Use the new one. That's it. Now, more interesting is what happens when one player has the new one and the other doesn't have it. If they are not identical, someone is going to have an advantage. VVVV Oh, good to know. I honestly thought they were going for "new is better, buy it" Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Aug 25, 2015 |
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Fat Samurai posted:Use the new one. That's it. I don't think it's as cut and dried as one deck having an advantage and the other not. The cards in the new one are generally broader, but also seem to be a bit more forgiving. Some of them. Blinded Pilot got a lot more forgiving, now that you don't even need a target in order to clear it. The lack of Munitions Failure is nothing short of a godsend for ships like Y-wings, Hawks, and YT-2400s that rely on their turrets to give their pitiful and pathetic lives meaning. That's metered, however, by Weapons Failure now also applying to secondary weapons, not just primaries. A 2400's Outrider HLC will still roll one fewer red die while that Weapons Failure is up, and that's no small thing.
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^^^Yeah, no Munitions Failure is a big deal to folks running things like Kavil and Palob who worry about getting crippled on the turn of a bad crit.willus posted:actually they did, as you would know if you checked the wiki http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Barrel Lo, I am undone.
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Shockeh posted:Wait - How is the new damage deck going to work? Do you have to use the new cards? Do you just use one of the decks, and that's the one you use, what? The rules explicitly say that if you own the new deck you have to use it.
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I think the lack of truly catastrophic, game-losing crits like Munitions Failure on ships that need turret secondaries is balanced out by how some of those other crits look nasty as hell but still survivable. The one that gives you a stress for taking a white maneuver has the potential to be all kinds of hilarious, especially since if you're ion'd you take a white one-forward, take the stress, and can't clear it so you can get ion'd again. 
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So, ignoring the obviously asinine text of 'you must use the new deck if you own it' "Hurr hurr I haven't bought the new set yet" *Wheels out 3x T-70*; Are you going to otherwise just pick the deck you want to use at game start? Are they backed the same? Can people tell which deck you're using?
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^^^I think the implication is that for official sanctioned play, i.e. tournaments and regionals, that you'll have to use the new deck past a certain point (probably starting sometime in 2016 would be my guess to give everyone time to pick up a new starter), but for casual play probably just argue among your friends.Strobe posted:I think the lack of truly catastrophic, game-losing crits like Munitions Failure on ships that need turret secondaries is balanced out by how some of those other crits look nasty as hell but still survivable. The one that gives you a stress for taking a white maneuver has the potential to be all kinds of hilarious, especially since if you're ion'd you take a white one-forward, take the stress, and can't clear it so you can get ion'd again. Yeah, I think the decision to axe things like Munitions Failure is stems from a desire to have crits be, as you said, nasty but survivable, not "welp, my 33+ point ship is now a piece of junk, good game." Getting walked off the board due to a combination of one specific crit and ion weapons is more of a combination of factors all coming together in a perfect storm of fuckery, which is more acceptable (and also because even ion weapons can blank out on you so you aren't just auto-hosed forever). Kai Tave fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Aug 25, 2015 |
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I'm okay with perfect storms of fuckery. I'm generally annoyed at perfect single hail stones of fuckery that accomplish the same thing.
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