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simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Ever wonder what happened to Charles de Gaulle after WWII?
Have a song from the '60s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uukBpYD9PU

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NightGyr
Mar 7, 2005
I � Unicode

:swoon:

That is a beautiful piece of craft.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

So guys what the heck is a 'semi-state of war' anyway?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34013475

Also: some marines on a train do everybody a solid: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34023361

Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Aug 22, 2015

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Nebakenezzer posted:

So guys what the heck is a 'semi-state of war' anyway?

The same thing they've always been in.

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd
I'd argue that going onto a "semi-state of war" would be a downgrading of tensions since officially they are in a full blown war.

Kim Jong-Un: unintentional peacemaker.

Really though it's a combination of the standard bluster that always surrounds major CFC/USFK/ROK exercises (Ulchi Freedom Guardian/U Fuckin' Guys kicked off last week) exacerbated by the idiocy surrounding the propaganda broadcasts, which were restarted due to the whole landmine incident a few days back.

It's a perfect shitstorm of stupid. We'll see if anything dumb happens at the "deadline" in a couple hours...but seeing as how they haven't closed Kaesong yet I'm not exactly holding my breath.

Syndic Thrass
Nov 10, 2011
So I've posted about my grandfather in the thread a few times. He was a B-17 pilot with the 602nd Squadron. I just stumbled across a bunch of interviews, personal stories of his time in the 602nd (he went on to get a PhD in English so I can't wait to read that), and records and such. I'm starting with the interview and I'll post and choice quotes (and dump links because theres like 50 of these).

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



And I just found a very interesting interview with a gentleman who (among other things) flew the Do 335 after the war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JKoLLgQ4wo

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

And I just found a very interesting interview with a gentleman who (among other things) flew the Do 335 after the war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JKoLLgQ4wo

Thanks, that is a very cool little interview. I had no idea they were working on ejection seats so early in the war.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
A Hawker Hunter performing at a UK airshow has crashed while attempting a loop, coming down on a nearby road.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/22/hawker-hunter-plane-crash-shoreham-air-show-reports

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

simplefish posted:

Ever wonder what happened to Charles de Gaulle after WWII?
Have a song from the '60s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uukBpYD9PU

Holy poo poo that's amazing

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

simplefish posted:

Ever wonder what happened to Charles de Gaulle after WWII?
I hear he retired to a quiet life in the country and nothing exciting happened.

Nebakenezzer posted:

Also: some marines on a train do everybody a solid: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34023361
If by "Marines," you mean "a National Guardsman, an Air Force dude, and a college student." GJ, BBC.

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde

Pablo Bluth posted:

A Hawker Hunter performing at a UK airshow has crashed while attempting a loop, coming down on a nearby road.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/22/hawker-hunter-plane-crash-shoreham-air-show-reports

This is so horrible
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/avi...ven-people.html

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde
4 bore shotgun start of old plane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65qrzgbTTcQ

B26 gets parked due to severe weather for a while and has so much oil in bottom cylinders has a hard start. Just watching these old dude tool around with it is cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRCJh5SvIwE

first start of a Corsair in 30 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruhcKaNLp4

Post restoration of Fw190 first start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftDwkyZb7a4

inertial start > ringgear start

Bugatti 100P flies and ends up in mud (I think this might have been previously discussed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lstv7QjL7BM

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

B4Ctom1 posted:

first start of a Corsair in 30 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruhcKaNLp4

I love how it ends up with three guys nervously pointing fire extinguishers at it.

Alaan
May 24, 2005


Somehow the pilot survived that without ejecting. Jesus Christ. I'm not ready to call him lucky though since A) if he lives beyond the next few days has to be severely hosed up and B) he somehow managed to land on a wedding limo when to either direction of the impact was nothing but fields and trees.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

Wingnut Ninja posted:

I love how it ends up with three guys nervously pointing fire extinguishers at it.

Yeah, once it's fully restored you only need one.

Owlkill
Jul 1, 2009

Pablo Bluth posted:

A Hawker Hunter performing at a UK airshow has crashed while attempting a loop, coming down on a nearby road.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/22/hawker-hunter-plane-crash-shoreham-air-show-reports

Sad to say I saw this in person.

Edit: Jesus, didn't know about the wedding limousine.

Owlkill fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Aug 24, 2015

Space Butler
Dec 3, 2010

Lipstick Apathy

Owlkill posted:

Sad to say I saw this in person. 11 dead so far.

Edit: Jesus, didn't know about the wedding limousine.

Going by various newspapers, the limo was on the way to pick up the bride. She wasn't in the car.

How the hell did the pilot survive?

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde

Alaan posted:

Somehow the pilot survived that without ejecting. Jesus Christ. I'm not ready to call him lucky though since A) if he lives beyond the next few days has to be severely hosed up and B) he somehow managed to land on a wedding limo when to either direction of the impact was nothing but fields and trees.

B) is very fitting to the accident since it happened in the UK and this is a very UK response.

I mean never mind that he obviously knew the only choice was to ride it in to reduce casualties it looked to me as if he were doing what could be done. I would say it was very noble, even if it turns out that it wasn't an aircraft performance issue but instead a pilot error.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
If there was pilot error, it was at the start of the maneuver. After that, the only thing he could do was ride it out and not put it into the stands like in Reno.

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde
Looks like he aimed for a highway maybe
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=213_1440261898

Alaan
May 24, 2005

The longer shots made it look like he was trying to pull left at the very bottom about 2 seconds before impact.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

B4Ctom1 posted:

I mean never mind that he obviously knew the only choice was to ride it in to reduce casualties it looked to me as if he were doing what could be done. I would say it was very noble, even if it turns out that it wasn't an aircraft performance issue but instead a pilot error.

This is a comforting myth. I guarantee that, if the pilot thought he had any useful control over the aircraft, he was working far harder to keep it out of the dirt than he was concerned with where he was going to hit. We always tell the survivors that the pilot stayed with the aircraft in order to steer it away from populated areas or whatever, but the truth is that the extra control inputs gained by staying below your ejection commitment altitude have a relatively negligible impact on the aircraft's final vector. Some pilots have punched over populated areas and had their aircraft miss everyone, and some have died trying to recover an aircraft that still killed people on the ground despite their best efforts. The fact that he stuck with it as long as he did tells me that he thought he could recover it until the last second.

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.
Seems like more ammo then it should.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usgBtXs16A8

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Mazz posted:

Seems like more ammo then it should.
Everyone says that until they run out of ammo.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Odd that the flap opens into the relative airflow

Execu-speak
Jun 2, 2011

Welcome to the real world hippies!
The flap opening to the left causes drag which slews the plane to the left as you fire. To compensate Lockmart installs an air brake on the right side to even it out. However with both the flap open and air brake deployed the drag induced causes the F35 to stall.

Dark Helmut
Jul 24, 2004

All growns up
I'm no aerospace engineer, but wouldn't it be easier and less drag-y to install a door that slides up and away inside the fuselage, like every moonroof in the last 20 years?

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

It would, but it is heavier, takes up more internal space, and has to play nice with RAM coatings.

PhotoKirk
Jul 2, 2007

insert witty text here

Dark Helmut posted:

I'm no aerospace engineer, but wouldn't it be easier and less drag-y to install a door that slides up and away inside the fuselage, like every moonroof in the last 20 years?

B-24s had bomb bay doors like that.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Execu-speak posted:

The flap opening to the left causes drag which slews the plane to the left as you fire. To compensate Lockmart installs an air brake on the right side to even it out. However with both the flap open and air brake deployed the drag induced causes the F35 to stall.

I think this is a joke. This is a joke, right? It's the F-35 so I can't be absolutely sure.

INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!
I think it's a joke because every FBW system ever compensates for recoil with some rudder while the gun fires.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Antti posted:

I think this is a joke. This is a joke, right? It's the F-35 so I can't be absolutely sure.

The joke is that this only occurs if you get the gun to fire in the first place.

wkarma
Jul 16, 2010
Over the weekend I ran head on into the cold war. It is alive and well....ok mostly dead and drying....in Tucson AZ.

Bones in waiting
No subs in the desert, S-3....
Saggy RB-57 D? F?
F-4's that didn't make the QF-4 cut
So many Hercs
........

Unfortunately the AMARG tour is completely on a bus, so pics are tough....the place the bus comes from though, is considerably more accessible.

the correct choice, unlike the USAF
got to check Blackbird #8 off my list. SR-71A #17951
and my third D-21. D-21B #533
something something danger zone

The inside stuff is great and all, but lets get to the heavy hitters here.

hustlin.
Area rulin.
peacemakin.
6 turnin, 4 burnin
nuke poopin. (Yes I know it's an RA-5, but I wanted to say nuke poopin.)

If you haven't figured it out by now, Pima Air and Space Museum in Tucson has a lot of neat stuff. Tomorrow I'll put some more pics up from another museum a bit closer to the border, and even more cold warry.

I'll end with this, just because I like the pic.

brakeless
Apr 11, 2011

Finnish air force aerobatics team.

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde

Dead Reckoning posted:

This is a comforting myth. I guarantee that, if the pilot thought he had any useful control over the aircraft, he was working far harder to keep it out of the dirt than he was concerned with where he was going to hit.
Easy to agree with

Dead Reckoning posted:

We always tell the survivors that the pilot stayed with the aircraft in order to steer it away from populated areas or whatever, but the truth is that the extra control inputs gained by staying below your ejection commitment altitude have a relatively negligible impact on the aircraft's final vector.
It doesn't matter how harsh a truth this is, we can not know his mind.

Dead Reckoning posted:

Some pilots have punched over populated areas and had their aircraft miss everyone, and some have died trying to recover an aircraft that still killed people on the ground despite their best efforts.
All historical, and agreed.

Dead Reckoning posted:

The fact that he stuck with it as long as he did tells me that he thought he could recover it until the last second.
Or an alternate possibility was that maybe it was related to a physiological limit.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

wkarma posted:

........

Took me a while to notice the nose wheel behind the sign and see what they did there. It feels like I've seen this before due to a bug in a Microprose game!

quote:

peacemakin.

:eyepop: I guess if you go somewhere that has one of those they probably have one of just about everything else too?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Basically everything passes through, so they pretty much get their pick.

I really need to make friends with someone who works there. I also really want to see the pair of E-3s.

wkarma
Jul 16, 2010

Buttcoin purse posted:

Took me a while to notice the nose wheel behind the sign and see what they did there. It feels like I've seen this before due to a bug in a Microprose game!


:eyepop: I guess if you go somewhere that has one of those they probably have one of just about everything else too?

I have a ton more pictures, tried to keep it to more of the unique and classically cold war stuff. Pima has a /vast/ collection, but not much before ww2, and only a handful of ww2 stuff. Post-war through teen series they are pretty complete.

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Boomerjinks
Jan 31, 2007

DINO DAMAGE

wkarma posted:

I have a ton more pictures, tried to keep it to more of the unique and classically cold war stuff. Pima has a /vast/ collection, but not much before ww2, and only a handful of ww2 stuff. Post-war through teen series they are pretty complete.

I'm curious as to what kind of camera you took those gorgeous photos with!

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