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Lemon Curdistan posted:The rules explicitly say that if you own the new deck you have to use it. They actually say you should and we haven't seen a tournament document yet.
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Aug 25, 2015 12:20
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I'll probably use it just for practice and because I genuinely like some of those crits in there as compared to the crits that exist now.
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Aug 25, 2015 12:22
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I'm gonna have to update my customized crit tokens 
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Aug 25, 2015 12:31
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I also notice that Damaged Sensor Array is much more restrictive this go around. I like it, since some ships can't just flat-out ignore it anymore.
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Aug 25, 2015 12:33
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alg posted:They actually say you should and we haven't seen a tournament document yet. The rules say it replaces the original core set's deck. Claiming that you don't have to use the new one because it says "should" instead of "must" is silly.
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Aug 25, 2015 12:41
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Lemon Curdistan posted:The rules say it replaces the original core set's deck. Claiming that you don't have to use the new one because it says "should" instead of "must" is silly. I didn't claim anything. I posted what the rules say. We don't really know what will happen until we see a tournament document, given the fact that some might not buy the new set. Lots of rules in the tournament document are different from the rulebook.
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Aug 25, 2015 13:23
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Can someone post a shot of the past where it says you should use the new deck? Got a couple of idiots gleefully trying to tell me to stop spreading rumors.
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Aug 25, 2015 16:24
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Is it just me or is the blue ace's ability really neat. You can do a hard 1 instead of 1 straight for a boost. With the new Tallon roll, k-turn, and the option of a stright boost or hard turn boost, you will not be able to predict where the frick it will end up.you can do U-turns, tallon roll then turnboost so your guns are pointing into a trailing ship, so fun.
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Aug 25, 2015 16:36
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jassi007 posted:Is it just me or is the blue ace's ability really neat. You can do a hard 1 instead of 1 straight for a boost. With the new Tallon roll, k-turn, and the option of a stright boost or hard turn boost, you will not be able to predict where the frick it will end up.you can do U-turns, tallon roll then turnboost so your guns are pointing into a trailing ship, so fun. It's an action is it not? Therefore can't do it after Tallon Roll cause it's red right?
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Aug 25, 2015 16:46
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Giving the small ships great and less predictable dials really seems like they're trying to undo the blocking & arc dodging high ps big ships with turrets and engine upgrade dominance. Tallon roll especially is a huge boon for jousting x wings that were ridiculously easy to block on the k turn. It almost seems a bit like a "in hindsight this is how it should've been" reboot except not.
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Aug 25, 2015 16:54
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Strobe posted:Can someone post a shot of the past where it says you should use the new deck? Got a couple of idiots gleefully trying to tell me to stop spreading rumors. Posted a couple of pages ago: nilstryfe posted:The rules in the book say that if you have the new deck you have to use it.
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Aug 25, 2015 17:09
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bunnyofdoom posted:It's an action is it not? Therefore can't do it after Tallon Roll cause it's red right? Correct, without something to somehow eat the stress you can't boost after the tallon roll.
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Aug 25, 2015 17:10
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So, are people who painted their wave 1TIE Fighters with a First Order paint scheme going to have problems trying to field them as Academy Pilots?
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Aug 25, 2015 17:22
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willus posted:actually they did, as you would know if you checked the wiki http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Barrel thank you. thank you
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Poopy Palpy posted:So, are people who painted their wave 1TIE Fighters with a First Order paint scheme going to have problems trying to field them as Academy Pilots?
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Aug 25, 2015 17:29
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Posted a couple of pages ago: Thanks.
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Aug 25, 2015 17:41
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willus posted:actually they did, as you would know if you checked the wiki http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Barrel Based on where they appeared, it looks like barrels are actually Legends. 
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Aug 25, 2015 18:17
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Carteret posted:Based on where they appeared, it looks like barrels are actually Legends. In that cases, breasts are also legendary. Maybe even mythical.
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Aug 25, 2015 18:22
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bunnyofdoom posted:It's an action is it not? Therefore can't do it after Tallon Roll cause it's red right? I'm flying so casual I don't know the rules. :P Still looking at the dial, and the option of boost 1 straight or boost 1 hard left or right, you can end up in so many places it will be really hard for pursuing ships to predict your move.
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Aug 25, 2015 18:30
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BB-8, plus PtL. Barrel roll, push for second action, take a green maneuver to clear the stress, then take a third action after you move.
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Aug 25, 2015 18:45
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The Gate posted:BB-8, plus PtL. Barrel roll, push for second action, take a green maneuver to clear the stress, then take a third action after you move. huh? you're selecting a green maneuver after performing an action?
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Aug 25, 2015 19:13
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Irom posted:huh? you're selecting a green maneuver after performing an action? Push the Limit can trigger any time after you perform an action, not just during the "Perform Action" step after moving. You can do the same sort of trick with Push the Limit/Advanced Sensors on something like a B-Wing. So in this case BB-8 gives you a barrel roll after you reveal your dial but before you move, you use Push the Limit to springboard off of that, then you make your move and since it's green you clear the stress PtL gave you, whereupon you get your third move.
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Aug 25, 2015 19:21
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Yeah, selecting might not have been the best word. You end up getting the stress from PtL before you actually move, which means it then clears and you can still take a normal action. If they ever print any Tech upgrades with a printed action, you could take 4 actions in one turn with Enhanced Interface too!
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Aug 25, 2015 19:27
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ohhh. I guess I assumed the wording was after completing a maneuver not after revealing a maneuver. Well, that's interesting. Are we certain this is the correct interpretation?
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Aug 25, 2015 19:32
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Irom posted:ohhh. I guess I assumed the wording was after completing a maneuver not after revealing a maneuver. Well, that's interesting. Are we certain this is the correct interpretation? You can do the same thing right now with, say, a B-Wing, Push the Limit, and Advanced Sensors, though because Advanced Sensors actually takes the place of your regular Perform Action you don't get three of them, but you do still get to do "take action with AdvSens, PTL for another action, reveal green maneuver and clear stress."
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Aug 25, 2015 19:36
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Strobe posted:Immelman is a proper noun, and the maneuver is named for German pilot Max Immelman, who developed the maneuver during WW1. Obviously, Star Wars did not have a WW1. Fine, it's a Split-S then?
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Aug 25, 2015 20:48
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Kai Tave posted:You can do the same thing right now with, say, a B-Wing, Push the Limit, and Advanced Sensors, though because Advanced Sensors actually takes the place of your regular Perform Action you don't get three of them, but you do still get to do "take action with AdvSens, PTL for another action, reveal green maneuver and clear stress." Right but advanced sensors is worded as before you reveal your maneuver. Not sure if that changes things or not tho.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:07
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Irom posted:Right but advanced sensors is worded as before you reveal your maneuver. Not sure if that changes things or not tho. 1). Select a green maneuver. 2). Before you reveal your maneuver, use Advanced Sensors to take an action. 3). Use Push the Limit to take a second action, gain a stress. 4). Reveal your maneuver dial, take the green maneuver you selected, remove your stress. The only thing that's different with BB-8 is that the barrel roll goes off after you reveal the dial instead of before, but it still happens before you actually take the movement. So reveal, barrel roll, trigger PTL, then move...and because neither BB-8 nor PTL actually deny you your regular Perform Action (like Advanced Sensors does) then you proceed right along to that step free of stress and able to perform your third action of the turn.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:11
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Posted a couple of pages ago: Should != must.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:19
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Nephzinho posted:Should != must. I mean, sure, but you're really arguing semantics here and not intent. They want you to use the new deck, and that's clearly stated. The only question really is when/if they will require it for official events.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:22
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Strobe posted:Immelman is a proper noun, and the maneuver is named for German pilot Max Immelman, who developed the maneuver during WW1. Obviously, Star Wars did not have a WW1. They don't have english letters but still managed to devise X-wings, K-wings, and Y-wings B-wings got lost in translation prolly, they're obviously T-wings
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Aug 25, 2015 21:23
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Nephzinho posted:Should != must. Lemon Curdistan posted:The rules say it replaces the original core set's deck. Claiming that you don't have to use the new one because it says "should" instead of "must" is silly.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:26
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B is for blade. They're sword shaped.
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Irom posted:They don't have english letters but still managed to devise X-wings, K-wings, and Y-wings Actually...
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Aug 25, 2015 21:27
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The Gate posted:I mean, sure, but you're really arguing semantics here and not intent. They want you to use the new deck, and that's clearly stated. The only question really is when/if they will require it for official events. If they don't require it for official events, there will be people at official events arguing it (or flat out denying they have it).
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Aug 25, 2015 21:29
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Yeah, most likely. I'm assuming they'd add it to the next tournament FAQ, but there'll probably be some time allowance, etc. I have to say that I hope these new dials are the wave of the future for ships. Even without the boost or barrel roll options, these shops are way more maneuverable, which will make the generic ships far more interesting on the table. Green turns on the FO is super fun to think about!
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Aug 25, 2015 21:33
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Kai Tave posted:1). Select a green maneuver. Could you push the limit again after you take your 3rd action? Or is it once per round?
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Aug 25, 2015 21:36
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PtL is once per round. If you had a card with an action and Enhanced Interface equipped though....
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Aug 25, 2015 21:39
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Nephzinho posted:If they don't require it for official events, there will be people at official events arguing it (or flat out denying they have it). I will bet one hundred earth dollars that "you have to have an updated damage deck" is added to the tournament FAQ after a reasonable amount of time for new starter sets to make it to store shelves has passed. There's no way they put that in the rulebook for the new starter without plans to make it the new default damage deck and anyone who tries weasel-wording their way around it is almost assuredly going to be told "no, bring a new damage deck or don't play in this tournament, thanks." dogsarentdangerous posted:Could you push the limit again after you take your 3rd action? Or is it once per round? PTL specifies once per round, so you can't chain multiple uses of it. Still, three actions in one go is pretty good stuff.
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dogsarentdangerous posted:Could you push the limit again after you take your 3rd action? Or is it once per round? PtL is once per round
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