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They also added new wizard subtypes in almost every single Essentials book, and all of them had full AEUDs save the Bladedancer.
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And the Bladedancer still counts despite being among the worst goddamn classes in the game because why the gently caress wasn't it a Swordmage subclass?
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Aug 24, 2015 23:23
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Kurieg posted:They also added new wizard subtypes in almost every single Essentials book, and all of them had full AEUDs save the Bladedancer. What's an AEUD, again? I must have forgotten.
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Aug 24, 2015 23:26
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AweStriker posted:What's an AEUD, again? I must have forgotten. At-Will, Encounter, Utility, Daily.
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Aug 24, 2015 23:29
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AweStriker posted:What's an AEUD, again? I must have forgotten. At-Will, Encounter, Utility, Daily. The basic power format for 4E classes which Essentials decided to ignore.
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Aug 24, 2015 23:29
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Stands for the power types you have access to: At-will, Encounter, Utility, Daily. Edit: Beaten soundly.
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Aug 24, 2015 23:30
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AweStriker posted:What's an AEUD, again? I must have forgotten. Like others said, they stand for the main power types. But mostly they're notable because almost all the essentials characters (Save the wizard) are missing one or more of those letters.
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Aug 25, 2015 00:48
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Actually, a fair number of Essentials classes have the AEDU power structure. Hexblades, Sentinels, Warpriests, Berserker, Protector, Skalds, and Vampires all have the AEDU structure, even if most of them don't have much choice in what they get.
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Aug 25, 2015 01:04
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Bladesinger owns because it shows a) just how ignorant the Essentials designers were of 4e design, b) how lazy they were, and c) provides a GREAT look into the future that would be 5e.
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Aug 25, 2015 02:38
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The swordmage has a LOT of dragon articles devoted to trying (and mostly failing) to fix its lovely power selection because for whatever reason wotc could not allow wizards and fighters to mix into the same class. The bladesinger being a wizard subclass just adds insult to injury.
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Noob question regarding multiclassing: If I take the feat "Defender of the Wild" this gives me access to the Warden. I then get the option of choosing from feats otherwise restricted to only Wardens, as well as my own class. Does this mean that as I am now a Warden, I can choose skills (At-Wills, Encounters etc) from the Warden class too?
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Noxin of Shame posted:Noob question regarding multiclassing: You only get access to feats and paragon paths as well as whatever class features come with the specific multi-class feat when you multi-class, though you can swap out some of your powers through a feat whose name escapes me at the moment. Edit: looks like they're called "Novice Power" (Encounter Swap), "Adept Power" (Daily Swap), and "Acolyte Power" (Utility Swap). You can only access these feats once you reach certain levels, though (4, 10, and 8 respectively if I'm reading the character builder right), but they allow you to swap any power of your level or lower once you pick it. Mecha Gojira fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Aug 25, 2015 |
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Aug 25, 2015 05:35
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No, multiclassing in 4e allows you to do the following things
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Aug 25, 2015 05:38
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Noxin of Shame posted:Noob question regarding multiclassing: 4e is fairly strict about silo'ing class powers into the intended class without massive investment. That means cherry-picking is basically impossible but the upside is that classes are allowed to be internally balanced instead of having to balance every single power against every single other power in the game. If you really want to mix and match powers, you need to look into hybrids, but I would ask the thread about that before diving in if you really wanted to do it. Hybrids are usually more trouble than just reflavoring powers to taste.
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Sweet, thanks for the quick replies. I though as much, just didn't want to plan out a path and find out later I could have done all this other weird stuff relatively easily.
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To be fair to WOTC, paragon multiclassing was from PHB1, back before they realized just how much of your character identity was tied up in your paragon path, and back before some classes had good paragon options *coughsoulthiefcough*
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berenzen posted:No, multiclassing in 4e allows you to do the following things You also count as that class for EDs and that power source for feats, EDs and PPs as well. Arguably you inherit the role, too.
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Hey guys, I can't really see if there's a better thread to ask this in, but can any of you tell me what that one undead DnD monster that's like, some kind of knight tied to an evil sword is called? I know that's rather vague, sorry. They retain their intellect and memories, I think. I'm pretty sure it isn't Death Knights. I'm pretty sure it was featured in some issue of one of the 4e digital magazines, but I don't really want to re-read every issue.
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Lurdiak posted:Hey guys, I can't really see if there's a better thread to ask this in, but can any of you tell me what that one undead DnD monster that's like, some kind of knight tied to an evil sword is called? I know that's rather vague, sorry. They retain their intellect and memories, I think. I'm pretty sure it isn't Death Knights. It's a Death Knight. The monster template is in MM1 if I remember right. 
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Aug 26, 2015 20:32
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There was an Ecology of the Death Knight article in the run-up to 4e.
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What do you do when a party may potentiaally be too well-oiled a machine to really make something hard for without just dipping into realms of the ridiculous territory like massively overr-huge numbers? As in, when you want to make the fights hard and memorable but don't want to just keep upping the numbers if they keep winning.
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Unknown Quantity posted:What do you do when a party may potentiaally be too well-oiled a machine to really make something hard for without just dipping into realms of the ridiculous territory like massively overr-huge numbers? As in, when you want to make the fights hard and memorable but don't want to just keep upping the numbers if they keep winning. Alter the stakes in a way that doesn't rely on numbers. Hostages, timers, things that need to be regularly attended, etc. Make the assumption that monsters are all going to get splatted in short order, and then use them as distractions or as delays rather than as something that forces a losing condition.
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Unknown Quantity posted:What do you do when a party may potentiaally be too well-oiled a machine to really make something hard for without just dipping into realms of the ridiculous territory like massively overr-huge numbers? As in, when you want to make the fights hard and memorable but don't want to just keep upping the numbers if they keep winning. I'd probably just convert some of the normal monsters in my encounters into elites. How good is this party? Can they handle one elite per party member as a normal encounter?
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Effectronica posted:Alter the stakes in a way that doesn't rely on numbers. Hostages, timers, things that need to be regularly attended, etc. Make the assumption that monsters are all going to get splatted in short order, and then use them as distractions or as delays rather than as something that forces a losing condition. This guy has the right of it. Throw things that can be negative fallout even if the party have technically won, and use terrain and hazards to interfere with their tactics. Memorable fights are rarely just memorable from being really hard -- they tend to be because of other crazy poo poo that goes down during the fight.
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Unknown Quantity posted:What do you do when a party may potentiaally be too well-oiled a machine to really make something hard for without just dipping into realms of the ridiculous territory like massively overr-huge numbers? As in, when you want to make the fights hard and memorable but don't want to just keep upping the numbers if they keep winning. Apart from alternate win/loss conditions as said, bosses should get immunity/resistance to the stronger conditions (like Stun) and multiple initiatives. On-death effects for minions (i.e. exploding zombies) can hurt a lot, especially if you just make it auto-hit. Minion generators are pcool set pieces (like, a replicator churning out golems; it could have resist all 10 or something, but a skill check turns it off for a round at one DC and kills it at another DC). Strong control auras also help (i.e. Aura 5, start your turn in it and you're Dazed). Basically gently caress with the action economy (generally go for Daze just because Stun is really unfun in practice). It might help to know the party comp/what builds are in play, and what level/tier you're in. At Epic the dm sorta has to cheat to compete with all the resources team PC has at its disposal.
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Unknown Quantity posted:What do you do when a party may potentiaally be too well-oiled a machine to really make something hard for without just dipping into realms of the ridiculous territory like massively overr-huge numbers? As in, when you want to make the fights hard and memorable but don't want to just keep upping the numbers if they keep winning. Might I also add to the other good suggestions here: Talk to your players about it. Just tell them they are great at coming up with well designed PCs and that you'll only be able to challenge them by throwing bigger numbers at them, which will probably resulting in slower grindier combat, and what do they want to do about it? If they are all super badasses maybe that's a sign to wind down the campaign? Maybe they'd prefer to respec their characters to be less optimal? Maybe they are fine with crazy huge over leveled combat encounters? However they answer, Effectronica's advice is golden and you should do that too.
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Lurdiak posted:Hey guys, I can't really see if there's a better thread to ask this in, but can any of you tell me what that one undead DnD monster that's like, some kind of knight tied to an evil sword is called? I know that's rather vague, sorry. They retain their intellect and memories, I think. I'm pretty sure it isn't Death Knights. You might be thinking about the dread, a monster from the Forgotten Realms, although where it's covered in 4e I don't know.
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Running a one-shot game for 3 first timers and 2 people with a little experience in about a week's time. Any thoughts on a good adventure?
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The OP sez:dwarf74 posted:The following are Goon-Recommended!
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I would honestly avoid any modules after you feel like you've sufficiently learned the game to do things on your own. Even the better ones tend to be "set-piece, super boring talky part or lovely meaningless skill challenge, setpiece."
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P.d0t posted:The OP sez: The slaying stone is rather strange especially considering the titular object either has a decent chance of failing to work against the boss or requires a roll for no reason depending on if you read it RAI or RAW.
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P.d0t posted:The OP sez: Sorry, should have been clearer: single session one-shot, so all of these are way too long for a quick taste of D&D for the newcomers.
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UrbanLabyrinth posted:Sorry, should have been clearer: single session one-shot, so all of these are way too long for a quick taste of D&D for the newcomers. Go buy a copy of Dungeon Delve, it's designed for that.
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My only issue with Dungeon Delve was that all the monsters in it used MM1 maths, or it would've been perfect. The modules in general focused too hard on the easy stuff in 4e - any idiot can chuck five monsters in a dining room and call it an encounter - and not enough on plot and things you'd actually want a professional adventure designer for. I also felt that they horribly misjudged the amount of time 4e combats take - in my own campaigns I like to have maybe three encounters between significant plot advancements. So you might have an encounter where you fight some bandits who are attacking a caravan, another when you assault their camp, and a third fighting the bandit king, then that plotline is resolved. The way D&D 4e modules are designed you'd get given the quest, have twenty-five similar bandit-fighting encounters, then fight the bandit king, which is way too high a combat:plot ratio for me. But yeah, get Dungeon Delve and the Monster Vault, take the dungeon from Dungeon Delve and swap the monsters for similar ones from Monster Vault. Done. Hell, a campaign where all you do is go to each Dungeon Delve and level up when you beat it with a bit of plot in between would be pretty drat good. PS: Make sure you print power cards for your players.
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Gort posted:My only issue with Dungeon Delve was that all the monsters in it used MM1 maths, or it would've been perfect. I find the Delve encounters a bit too combat-only, but I did just find the old PREV2 and PREV3 LFR modules, which have a half-decent balance of combat/plot-fillable-space and are easy enough to tweak up to MM3 (courtesy of Masterplan).
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Yeah, I usually use Delve stuff if I've got a plot all worked out and just want a few combats to throw at my players to keep things interesting.
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There's a lot of DM tools in the OP and on the internet, so I guess I should specify what I want. I'm having all my players make their characters in D&DInsider's Character Creator. Then I'm printing out the CS's for my players along with encounter cards. I'd like to upload the D&DI's character files onto the app (whatever it is) tell it to give me a "medium" encounter and do the rest from there, allowing me to kind of spruce it story wise how I see fit. I'd also like it to have a pseudo DM screen where it has all the normal rolls and stuff for combat on there. Is there anything that is like that you'd recommend, or a mix of things that all work together>
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Prison Warden posted:It's a Death Knight. The monster template is in MM1 if I remember right. Arivia posted:You might be thinking about the dread, a monster from the Forgotten Realms, although where it's covered in 4e I don't know. I was actually getting confused between Death Knight and Unrisen. Thanks anyway!
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The PCs in my game are getting ready to enter the undead general's stronghold and show him who's boss, and I'm thinking of running that as a lair assault, since I haven't done one of those in a while. Here's my idea for it: The win condition is to kill the general. Other enemies spawn endlessly until he's out of the picture. The map has several rooms, each of which features an unholy altar. When the general is reduced to below certain thresholds of his HP - 75%, bloodied and 25% - he teleports to an altar and starts regenerating, but only up to the last threshold. The party can hunt him down each time or they can start disabling altars. Regular enemies are loads of minions or lower level enemies, but numerous. The general himself is an Elite enemy, Leader subtype. Probably about party level. Enemies that are reduced to 0 HP have a 25% chance of being reduced to 1 HP instead, unless radiant damage finishes them off. Most likely each altar room will also feature some kind of obstacle, hazard or trap, although I don't have anything in particular in mind yet. Anyone who designed more lair assaults than I have (1  ) and can weigh in?
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So I've done a lot more research, and what I'm looking for specifically is a Monster Encounter Designer that scales the levels for me, and gives me a list to pick from of monsters.
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