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Urban Sorcerer posted:I'm not sure what I was expecting but wow EA R'Lyeh went from being the worst nation to the most worst nation - It only has units with iron weapons and armor so now instead of just being unable to get on land and do anything its units are even trashier than before in the water. From the four main UW nations, Atlantis, Oceania, Pelagia and R'lyeh, it is the one left almost untouched. I want to believe it has been left for the rumored "UW patch, part 2". It seems they still have some changes left to do. I also was disappointed, R'lyeh is one of the reasons I bought this game at first, it's always mentioned as example of the wacky and varied natiosn that the game have ("...and they also have underwater races inspired in Lovecraft myths!"). Despite my abundance of posting in the last weeks, I didn't play in a while. I was thinking of some SP with one of my unplayed nations, like EA Yomi. Any hints? I know there are some discussion if the turmoil scales are worth it or not for them. They want gold for the expensive onis, but they also lose power in Order. What's the standard Pret. build?
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Turin Turambar posted:Despite my abundance of posting in the last weeks, I didn't play in a while. I was thinking of some SP with one of my unplayed nations, like EA Yomi. Any hints? I run Turmoil 3/Luck 3/Magic 3. EA doesn't have enough pop to make Order worthwhile outside of caps, and Aka Oni are fantastic at expanding in Turmoil. I tend to stop building oni troops as soon as I start getting some serious headway into Enchantment; they're too expensive to use most of the time. I'm doing pretty solidly with an Erfsnake Dom 7/8? T3/S3/H3/G0/L3/M3 E6N7. Between him and my Dai Oni I can cast basically every good Enchantment global (including three gemgens), so I can focus almost exclusively in it. Not to mention fantastic sitesearching and expansion.
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Absum posted:this is some faint praise right here it is, but ashdod is perfectly playable
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Samog posted:it is, but ashdod is perfectly playable Yeah I would put them at a solid C+ or so. They are fine, not good, but they can absolutely win a game. They just aren't favored out of any smattering of random MA nations.
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Flavahbeast posted:jellyberd The ultimate Illithid weapon; a jellyfish onna stick!
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My Therodos fiscal policy: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3666
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jBrereton posted:"Hmm how can we have a powerful female character for Oceania" 
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Urban Sorcerer posted:I'm not sure what I was expecting but wow EA R'Lyeh went from being the worst nation to the most worst nation - It only has units with iron weapons and armor so now instead of just being unable to get on land and do anything its units are even trashier than before in the water. Additional features include a mod icon involving a kelp hod.  Tada! e: Just realised they still can't even bring loving Lobo Guards onto land without an Amulet of the Fish or similar, what a garbage nation. jBrereton fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Aug 27, 2015 08:53
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Make an Evolution Juice item that works similarly to the hit movie Pandorum.
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I find amusing that the new gaming youtube thingie knows about Dominions 1, 2 and 3 but not about Dominions 4 About Yomi, I was thinking too in an awake Earthsnake, with something like T3S3H1L3M2-3. What about the mage summons? Should I take A2E1W2N1 in my Pretender to summon them? It's the only way to do it (or empowerment). They can cast Foul Vapors, Rain, Quagmire, Frost Fend, Stygian Rains and Rain of Stones, Mist, Arrow Fend, Wind Guide, so they could be pretty useful. A related doubt. Stygian Rains works with undead? And with demons? The description mentions "only living entities" though I don't see any tag related to undeads.
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I'm not sure you really need Magic as Yomi. The claim on their nation blurb that they have shite research is a huge lie. It's expensive if you go for the high-RP option, but you have 15 on your Hannya mages (available in every fort) and a respectable 11 on your Sorcerers (which are 115 gold), plus access to Dwarven Hammers as well as Air Quills, Lightless Lanterns, and Skull Mentors. You don't have any native B but it's never impossible to get a B1 mage. Instead of T3S3M3, would personally go for T3S3G3 instead. The money from Growth helps a lot. You could probably even spring for Drain, but there's not all that much you need on a pretender for Yomi. They expand extremely well with their demons, and later on you already have access to about half the spells you wanted to cast with that god of yours through your national mages (notably RoS, also Wailing Winds, Magma Eruption, Plague and a bunch of other nasty stuff).
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You take magic and luck for the gem events mainly I've had the shipwrecked mage event quite often as magic 2 luck 3 Yomi.
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jBrereton posted:Instead of T3S3M3, would personally go for T3S3G3 instead. The money from Growth helps a lot. Magic unlocks better luck events, both gems and gold. It takes forever for Growth to become meaningful anywhere but your cap and the one large farm on the map in EA. In the first 12 turns of each of my Yomi tests for Hirb, I got at least 1000 gold from events alone, and often I got 1500+, plus gems, plus faster research.
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I started the game and thanks to Luck in turn3 or 4 I got a magic site (or a event that gave me the site?) called "Castle Arcanum". That's a free castle + 2 gem site + wizard with +10rp adept researcher :O :O. Pity this never happens in a real mp game.
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Turin Turambar posted:I started the game and thanks to Luck in turn3 or 4 I got a magic site (or a event that gave me the site?) called "Castle Arcanum". That's a free castle + 2 gem site + wizard with +10rp adept researcher :O :O. Pity this never happens in a real mp game. You also get way more heros in test games.
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Test games are a really good way to get hosed because you expected to get your pro as heck hero on turn 5 and he didn't show up until turn 70
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I never get heroes in test games or otherwise.
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fool_of_sound posted:I never get heroes in test games or otherwise. Yeah, but do you bother to max your Luck? Because the only times I've reliably gotten my national heroes is when I've got Luck 3...and indeed, Turmoil 3 + Luck 3 to get the extra percentage boost to events happening in the first place.
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jng2058 posted:Yeah, but do you bother to max your Luck? Yes. And Turmoil doesn't affect hero chance iirc; it doesn't use the event system and is only based on luck.
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fool_of_sound posted:Yes. And Turmoil doesn't affect hero chance iirc; it doesn't use the event system and is only based on luck. Yep. Hero chance is a flat 3 +\- 1% per luck\misfortune scale per turn. The scales in question appear to be the ones on your cap province. Heroes are nice but sufficiently unreliable that they should be considered a bonus and not something you plan to get.
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Huh, I didn't know that. Good thing I only do Turmoil/Luck on Pangaea where you need the Turmoil for more Maenads, huh? Man, this game has so many little quirks and hidden information in it. 
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Neruz posted:Yep. Hero chance is a flat 3 +\- 1% per luck\misfortune scale per turn. The scales in question appear to be the ones on your cap province. Does that mean you can't get heroes with mis3?
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Speaking of Luck/Misfortune: Can Drain 3 still screw you over with events if you grab Luck? I don't remember seeing anyone taking Drain 3 ever. Also, how does resistance to something work against the Stun damage coming from a resisted Source? Manual says it's Resistance x 2, but I don't trust it. 
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Finnish Flasher posted:Does that mean you can't get heroes with mis3? I believe so, but have not tested enough to be able to say for sure.
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Finnish Flasher posted:Does that mean you can't get heroes with mis3? yes Fat Samurai posted:Speaking of Luck/Misfortune: Can Drain 3 still screw you over with events if you grab Luck? I don't remember seeing anyone taking Drain 3 ever. yes
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Dunno, I think Mis3 is even worse than Drain3. Drain is bad but I suppose it can be bearable with some nation with a combination of good troops and cheap researchers with access to research boosters. Mis3 is just having bad events after bad events, barbs attacks, knights attacks, rebellion events, gem and gold losses, etc.
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D3 is a no-brainer on a handful of nations, like Bogarus. I don't think anyone wants to take Mis 3 ever, you're asking to get your troops diverted and massive gold losses turn after turn (although the gem loss part is very very easy to avoid by keeping your gems on your mages rather than in the bank).
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jBrereton posted:D3 is a no-brainer on a handful of nations, like Bogarus. I don't think anyone wants to take Mis 3 ever, you're asking to get your troops diverted and massive gold losses turn after turn (although the gem loss part is very very easy to avoid by keeping your gems on your mages rather than in the bank). Wat. Firebirds want magic.
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jBrereton posted:D3 is a no-brainer on a handful of nations, like Bogarus. I don't think anyone wants to take Mis 3 ever, you're asking to get your troops diverted and massive gold losses turn after turn (although the gem loss part is very very easy to avoid by keeping your gems on your mages rather than in the bank). Mis 3 is useful for generating corpses, certain nations can benefit from this.
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Misfortune scales are far, far too punishing due to indy events and can simply remove you from a game no matter how well you were playing. It's a mechanic that demands a revamp but probably will never get one so yeah, have fun
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I Love You! posted:Misfortune scales are far, far too punishing due to indy events and can simply remove you from a game no matter how well you were playing. It's a mechanic that demands a revamp but probably will never get one so yeah, have fun I've never had problems with Mis1. I always regret Mis2+ though.
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Mis 1 is doable, though I've seen really good games torn completely apart by indy attacks every turn for 15+ consecutive turns. Mis 2 is virtual suicide. Indy attacks are a garbage mechanic and need to go. You don't see dozens of events that flat-out give you new provinces so why the gently caress are there events that take them away and leave an army there you sometimes can't even kill.
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fool_of_sound posted:I've never had problems with Mis1. I always regret Mis2+ though. Mis1 and 2 are mostly the same indie attacks. Mis2 does unlock knights in MA which sucks and I try to avoid it if I can. Mis3 is big barbarian attacks as well as the little ones and generates far more indie annoyances. I never run Mis3.
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What are you guys thoughts on MA Pelagia now? They have some pretty decent coastal troops (though they're only MM1 with a short sword...) and they get a late game summon with like 4 in all the paths for 30N gems.
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Lysdexic posted:What are you guys thoughts on MA Pelagia now? They have some pretty decent coastal troops (though they're only MM1 with a short sword...) and they get a late game summon with like 4 in all the paths for 30N gems. None of those things particularly matter. What does matter: Resource change UW means you can make your better amphibious troops more than 3 at a time if desired. You have coastal mystic wannabes with excellent paths and native rain of stones access. And you are still Pelagia and function as a game timer. They could already win games before due to the timer thing but with the changes they could grab a little land from losers and possibly hold it instead of just getting dunked on until year 3. Their amphibious sacreds are quite forgettable but you could totally make a strategy that ignores them. Nuclearmonkee fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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So how do you use it? Send one mage to cast it to fk up an army?
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Finnish Flasher posted:So how do you use it? Send one mage to cast it to fk up an army? Mage-thugs that are tough enough to handle a pair of RoS. Or usually, "defensive" RoS where you put a pair of mages in a province you suspect is going to be attacked by a big enemy forces, and drop the RoS in the first turn (and then die or try to retreat).
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