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The General posted:I have... and I don't... A remember a long long sequence of starship porn. I think some klingons getting blown up, a bald woman, "PHOTON TORPEEDOS... AWAAAAYYYY!!!!", and spock slowly drifting towards V'ger.  i endured it three times and these scenes are exactly all i can recall as wellwhat a terrible mess that movie is
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tactlessbastard posted:This reminded me of a painfully nerdy compare/contrast paper I wrote in high school. Star Trek and the age of sail and Star Wars and modern carrier warfare Star Wars isn't even modern carrier warfare, it's WW2 air combat. Modern carrier warfare would have airborne radar planes and mostly missile fire from way the heck away. EDIT: this isn't a criticism in the slightest, it's just that even when Star Wars first came out, its visual metaphor was just as anachronistic as the submarine/destroyer duel in Star Trek's Balance of Terror.
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Aug 26, 2015 21:23
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I can't think of a single instance of the federation being bullied.
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Aug 26, 2015 21:37
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The Shelliak had none of their poo poo and told them to GFTO. Darmok-ians had their way with them and would only deal on their terms. The Borg beat them from pillar to post. The Romulans use the Feds line in the sand stances against them all the time. The federation is weak. Just having the most lunch money to pay off a host of bullies does not lessen your victimhood.
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Aug 26, 2015 21:41
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Not so much bullied as they chose not to use their obvious superior power and clout in negotiations. They could have obviously told the Cardassians to gently caress off when they were trading those border worlds back and forth (because lol what are they gonna do? throw a bunch of galor class ships that a nebula class easily picked off?). If anything they're pushed around because they stick to their own dumb rules. The feds could probably steamroll over the sheliak and the darmokians but probably choose to treat them better in the off chance they apply for membership.
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Aug 26, 2015 21:48
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Thread's getting too serious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_shOhXZvDaY
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Aug 26, 2015 21:51
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shadow puppet of a posted:The Shelliak had none of their poo poo and told them to GFTO. Darmok-ians had their way with them and would only deal on their terms. The Borg beat them from pillar to post. The Romulans use the Feds line in the sand stances against them all the time. Also the Klingons joined the federation and then just straight up walked out and declared revanchist war on it, and would have gotten away with it if not for the Dominion War forcing them together again. The bit where a Starfleet officer publicly assassinated the Klingon chancellor and replaced him with a pro-Starfleet military leader probably helped too.
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Aug 26, 2015 21:51
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Yeah but those aren't really bullying, all that poo poo is just clever diplomacy. The Maquis, now they got bullied - by both sides. It's more analogous China vs South China sea than China vs Russia vs USA. Zigmidge fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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Aug 26, 2015 21:55
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It's me. I'm the guy for whom it is too "fiddly" to put clips from a show to music for more than 60 seconds. The guy who put TOS clips to TiK ToK is looking down on you.
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Aug 26, 2015 21:56
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlKyX502kHc
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Aug 26, 2015 22:39
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the motion picture/v'ger are debatably canon at best st:tmp is an extremely good star trek for when youre high as poo poo tho
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Aug 27, 2015 00:46
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wrath of khan is bretty gud when you aren't expecting a Vulcan Kirstie Alley boner.
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Aug 27, 2015 00:48
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Kitchner posted:I didn't realise you were an expert on force fields in real life. He doesn't need to actually have the tech to know that stopping an object in motion requires equal force applied to said object. A chunk of iron moving a 1/4 of C is going to require a shitload of energy to stop. This is really pretty basic physics.
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The Bible posted:He doesn't need to actually have the tech to know that stopping an object in motion requires equal force applied to said object. Well the way I always pictured shields working in anything sci-fi that has shields is NOT stopping the object or attack. Very few things have bullets bounce off shields, for example. Instead the shield flares up where it's being hit and destroys what is attacking. So if you shoot a missile at a ship with a shield, the missile hits the shield, the shield burns super intense in the spot it's hit and the missile detonates as it's ripped apart. The fact that the ships always shake and systems get damaged when shields are still up in almost every sci-fi thing ever makes it seem even more plausible and it's a hell of a lot easier to obliterate something than to kill it's momentum. I'm sure there's exceptions to this but it works for most things. ED: This might also justify why ramming attacks are such TOTAL KILLSHOTS in these universe; if you ram another ship you're projecting your death-bubble into it. It also explains why non-threats can move through the shields, since it's not like a solid bubble of material. Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Star Wars isn't even modern carrier warfare, it's WW2 air combat. Modern carrier warfare would have airborne radar planes and mostly missile fire from way the heck away. I almost want someone to make a hard-sci space combat movie because it would literally consist of people sitting on a computer and pressing a button, hearing a little bleep as the only feedback, waiting several hours, then hearing another little bleep if it missed or hit. And if what you're firing hits the other guy just explodes. In other words the most boring thing ever devised unless your sci-fi thing is very much not set around combat. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Aug 27, 2015 00:53
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I never considered shields as omnidirectional, stationary phasers.
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Aug 27, 2015 00:56
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Ambrose Burnside posted:the motion picture/v'ger are debatably canon at best I unironically enjoy TMP while sober in spite of it's many flaws, but your point is completely valid
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Aug 27, 2015 01:01
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TMP is the Trekkiest of the movies. It's a pity it's also boring.
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I don't give a gently caress the 40 minute sequence of just flying over the Enterprise is great
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MikeJF posted:TMP is the Trekkiest of the movies. It's a pity it's also boring. DId anyone ever fan-edit trim out like an hour of the run time? I always TMP had a good movie buried in there, but the director wanted to make a 2001 fan film instead ED: Also you know what? I'm going to say it, 2001 is way overrated. When I first saw it, I turned on JUST as they were getting to Hal. That part of the movie is awesome as it's own thing. gently caress the space baby and gently caress 10 minutes of watching a ship go from left to right. I know, it's trying for high art and many will probably insist I'm an idiot for saying it's not, but I see zero artistic reason to hold... shots... forever... when they don't really even have any meaning beyond "This ship goes from the right to left of your screen. Enjoy." Honestly if NOT for the Hal part I have a feeling this thing would be way less of a cult classic and virtually unknown to the public. It's really like a different film abruptly starts in the middle. When people talk about the movie they either jump to Hal or the Monolith, and rarely do they go "Oh boy, that 5 minutes montage of landscapes was riveting!" I almost wish there was a fan-edit (speaking of fan-edits) that broke it into two films: 2001: A Screensaver Begins with the Hal part entirely cut around to just go straight to the space baby, and 2001: Hal edition which begins in the middle and ends before the space baby. I bet they would be nearly unrecognizable from each other. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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One of the original pitches for a TOS movie revival had a Christopher McQuarrie-designed Enterprise and Toshiro Mifune (!) as a Klingon enemy. 
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A lifetime ago I got sniped for merely suggesting that TMP was loving boring and throughout its life sapping running time, I threatened to fall asleep several times. I was told I just didn't get it and I was a stupid retard. I stand by my initial assessment. It's boring
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Blazing Ownager posted:DId anyone ever fan-edit trim out like an hour of the run time? I'm p sure you're supposed to be on drugs to watch 2001.
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Aug 27, 2015 01:29
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I wonder if Worf set up a DefiantArt account where he can post his drawings and poems about the Defiant.
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Kenzie posted:I wanna know if that house makes space engine humming noises https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmPFLClPjM
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Defiant by Worf son of Mogh Lights arc across the void. A supernova, Ezri sighs "Star imploded" says the ships's android Sisko dreams of death on Bajor's soil Oops Eddington stolen our ship's warp coil The skirmish ends, our crew retires O'Brien's drunk The ship's on fire The Doctor burns, his death is slow Corpses slump to the deck below Escape pod two is ready to go Just Worf, Dax and Ensign Monroe Silently they watch The defiant explode! But before they reach Starfleet Worf frowns and turns away They head toward Risa He is not prepared to die...today Figaro fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Aug 27, 2015 03:54
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Figaro posted:Defiant by Worf son of Mogh 55555
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The Bible posted:He doesn't need to actually have the tech to know that stopping an object in motion requires equal force applied to said object. Apart from they use Future Tech(tm) which means the writers can make them do anything and explain it away via technology. Maybe it's the forcefield kill projectiles thing someone else mentioned. Maybe the anti matter particles are correctly ionised leading to kinetic energy dispersing across the entire forcefield (which would be thousands of km square). Maybe the force field converts kinetic energy from a physical payload into the energy it needs to stop said payload. There's literally no point saying "Yeah but physics!" because they could easily put an episode in where someone says "Hey, remember when forcefield were first installed on ship's and people said basic and fundamental rules of physics meant that the energy required to stop a simple rail gun shot would be dangerous to generate?" "Why yes Geordi, that is until the Cochran Formula proved them wrong of course" "Yeah that pissed on their cereal all right hahaha" Remember physics basically says FTL travel is impossible too, but guess what! Finally Romulans use a loving black hole to power their ships and I think it's safe to assume the Enterprise's warp core generates a similar level of power. That's why every time something damages the warp core the entire ship explodes.
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"This is the story of a little ship that took a little trip."
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Kitchner posted:Finally Romulans use a loving black hole to power their ships and I think it's safe to assume the Enterprise's warp core generates a similar level of power. That's why every time something damages the warp core the entire ship explodes. Eh. Wasn't a D'deridex the size of like, 5 enterprises? Plus I assume to cloak the whole thing used a ton of power. I assumed it's why they were the only race shown (?) to use something other than dilithium, a black hole provides a lot more energy for their dumb big ships.
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Rynder posted:Eh. Wasn't a D'deridex the size of like, 5 enterprises? Plus I assume to cloak the whole thing used a ton of power. I assumed it's why they were the only race shown (?) to use something other than dilithium, a black hole provides a lot more energy for their dumb big ships. The ship would be a much more manageable size if they didnt have the huge loving HOLE in the middle!
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Gutcruncher posted:The ship would be a much more manageable size if they didnt have the huge loving HOLE in the middle! Apprently that's because the warp nacells need to be able to "see" each other or some bullshit. I mean it's a really cool ship design because of it regardless of how practical it is, but yeah. Also RE: the cloak thing, Klingon ship's way smaller than the Enterprise have cloaks and they use dilthium. Even if a black hole gives them more power, it's about being relative isn't it? Even if the Enterprise generated half that power, that's still half the power of a black loving hole. Also when a Romulan ship explodes why don't black holes open all over the place?
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Kitchner posted:Apprently that's because the warp nacells need to be able to "see" each other or some bullshit. Someone pointed out that the real reason for the ship design is probably like a bird puffing up its wings - it looks a lot bigger than it actually is. Romulan psychology. Kitchner posted:Also when a Romulan ship explodes why don't black holes open all over the place? Maybe they do leave the singularity behind, but it'd be a very small singularity. Microscopic. quote:A black hole weighing 606,000 metric tons (this is about the mass of the Seawise Giant, the longest sea-going ship ever built) would have a Schwarzschild (Event Horizon) radius of 0.9 attometers (9×10–19 m), a power output of 160 petawatts (160 × 1015 W, or 1.6 × 1017 W), and a 3.5-year lifespan. That's substantially smaller than the size of an electron. Closer to a quark. Also,  . Black Hole starships promise some pretty amazing capabilities if we were able to construct artificial black holes.
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It looks like the mass of a Romulan ship is about the same as the D, it's just hollow. The interior volume compared to the surface area means that ship is like 90% bulkheads and plating, and it's really a hilarious terrible design. Also Klingon cloaking devices are small enough to be carried by two Ferengi, and have their own power source and the ability to cloak themselves. Romulan executive shuttles, that are about the size of a runabout, feature cloaking devices, and I'm pretty sure they don't use a singularity for power. Jesus Christ I am a big loving nerd.
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The Federation totally should've gone ahead and mass produced the phase shifting cloaking device, treaties be damned. 
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EvilTaytoMan posted:The Federation totally should've gone ahead and mass produced the phase shifting cloaking device, treaties be damned. the treaty was the dumbest poo poo anyway. "We won't use cloaks ever, and you guys will...oh nothing?...we'll okay, we won't use cloaks". yeah yeah rodenberry good guys don't sneak, whatever Glad they quietly dropped that with the Defiant on ds9 like all lot of his other loopy utopian drama killing ideas
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counterfeitsaint posted:It looks like the mass of a Romulan ship is about the same as the D, it's just hollow. The interior volume compared to the surface area means that ship is like 90% bulkheads and plating, and it's really a hilarious terrible design. Well, my D is about the size of a Romulan ship, at least
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Maldoror posted:Thanks for answering my question, I wonder if anyone bought it. The original story is gone at this point unfortunately but the relevant bit from another article referencing it: quote:The LA Times recently ran a story about the Child Exploitation Section of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit, which contained a mind-boggling statistic: of the more than 100 offenders the unit has arrested over the last four years, "all but one" has been "a hard-core Trekkie."
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Universe Master posted:the treaty was the dumbest poo poo anyway. "We won't use cloaks ever, and you guys will...oh nothing?...we'll okay, we won't use cloaks". Well it seemed a good deal at the time I guess as the Federation had no idea how to build a cloaking device. The Federation wants peace above all else and just not having cloaking devices you don't know a great deal about seems like a small price to pay.
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That always struck me as odd. Humans, Vulcans, Andorians and god knows whatever other races are in the Federation can't figure out something Romulans and Klingons both figured out.
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Germstore posted:That always struck me as odd. Humans, Vulcans, Andorians and god knows whatever other races are in the Federation can't figure out something Romulans and Klingons both figured out. The Romulans gave the cloaking technology to the Klingons when they were allies against the Federation.
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