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 This level is really bad for getting mobbed by sirens (it's how I died every single time across two games) but that scoreboard should nicely illustrate how much the ammo cuts are hurting Support. I had to run around with the Caulk N Burn for most of the game and only survived on ~200hrs of TF2 Pyro instincts. (Watch Tripwire nerf Firebug now.)
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Shumagorath posted:
I was just in that game. Which one are you? (You don't make it very clear).
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Aug 27, 2015 20:01
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Given that he's discussing the ammo nerfs to support, I'm guessing the level 12 support busy being outscored by a level 0 and level 4
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Aug 27, 2015 20:06
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Played a bit last night. Tried out the Caulk'NBurn, Trench Gun, Grenade Pistol and C4 off perk with my medic. They all look and function in a really cool manner. But damage wise they're just okay. I can't really tell the range on the Caulk N Burn. It also sprayed much differently then I was imagining a flaming caulk to work. I was hoping for silly string on fire. Trench Gun handles pretty well but at its cost I would still go with a Double Barrel Shotgun as a back up since it does more damage. C4 is fun but as a Medic I only get 2. One thing I wasn't able to try was if C4 could stick to walls or people. The ammo nerf doesn't really affect Medics too much but I was seeing people with other perks starting running around looking for ammo much sooner on each wave.
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Psion posted:Given that he's discussing the ammo nerfs to support, I'm guessing the level 12 support busy being outscored by a level 0 and level 4  Are we sure the ammo nerf was the cause of that?
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Actually I was Vice President Omarosa and kept getting yelled at for "running off on my own". The Support kept welding doors so maybe he's a bad example. Revolver Bunker posted:I can't really tell the range on the Caulk N Burn. It also sprayed much differently then I was imagining a flaming caulk to work. I was hoping for silly string on fire. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Aug 27, 2015 20:11
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this game is very good
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Aug 27, 2015 20:17
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Is there gonna be a way to get the Zweihander on my account without having to spend 20bux on a game I don't really want? Especially if it turns out to be better than other berserker weapons. I know I can cross my fingers and hope someone else has it, but, ehhhhhhh
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Aug 27, 2015 20:27
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Revolver Bunker posted:C4 is fun but as a Medic I only get 2. One thing I wasn't able to try was if C4 could stick to walls or people. It sticks to walls. I tried it on a truck in Paris and yep. Not sure about people though.
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Aug 27, 2015 20:28
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Gharbad the Weak posted:Is there gonna be a way to get the Zweihander on my account without having to spend 20bux on a game I don't really want? Especially if it turns out to be better than other berserker weapons. chivalry is very good
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Aug 27, 2015 20:34
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Gharbad the Weak posted:Is there gonna be a way to get the Zweihander on my account without having to spend 20bux on a game I don't really want? Especially if it turns out to be better than other berserker weapons. Wait for a sale and buy the game (which is fun).
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Aug 27, 2015 20:55
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Firebug weapon feedback now that I've hit level 5: -The Caulk N Burn is a good starter weapon and nice for clearing out trash. It's hard to gauge the range at first but puff-and-run does well in waves where I really shouldn't be competitive with a tier-1 gun (i.e. after I've died). Its main drawback is that it's still Flamethrower Jr. and also only gets half a loving can from ammo pickups jesus christ almighty. -The Trench Gun is actually worse for crowds and general trash clearing than the Caulk N Burn because it lacks the penetration of Support shotguns. I feel like I have much more trouble setting groups on fire with it and the only upside is the sorta-increased range. Having played mostly Support before the beta dropped it's lovely when I click something's head and it doesn't seem bothered the first time. I'm fine with having to score headshots but with 6/40 there's not enough to go around. I feel like this should be the tier 1 weapon or at least priced as such because it's not an upgrade or a downgrade but more of playstyle choice. -The Flamethrower rules but needs its range boosted to whatever the perk bonus range is and that range needs to be that % gain again. It's also suffering a case of tier 4 envy where the Microwave gun is much, much better for killing the big zeds that show up by the time you can afford it, but unlike Support you can't even take a weight perk to carry them both. -Microwave gun is great but I feel like I'm having a lot of trouble staying on-target due to the firing sway and obnoxious sight, which are both pointlessly aggravating. It's a tier 4 gun; please don't make it harder to hit those priority targets than it already is. Like the AA12 using it on trash is setting yourself up to get stomped by big zeds later so a weight reduction that lets me carry the flamethrower would be nice, but the others aren't terrible backup weapons. Eonwe posted:chivalry is very good Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Aug 27, 2015 21:07
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Shumagorath posted:Firebug weapon feedback now that I've hit level 5: My thoughts: -Caulk N Burn: Love it, feels just right playstyle wise. Drives me up the wall that it doesn't feel like a caulk gun though (even though it's got aerosol cans and not caulk cans in it). A single squeeze on the trigger lever should only put so much pressure/push so much fuel out of the cans. So in my head it should either squirt a short burst, or you should hear your character squeezing like mad, the over-worked, under-oiled hinge squeaking as your character gives him/herself a hand cramp. But that's just a visual/theme style issue for me, playstyle it's a very, very good weapon and makes Firebug one of the strongest characters when recovering from a death. -Trenchgun: Makes an absolutely BEAUTIFUL fireball in dark areas. Don't treat this like a a shotgun, this is the the Firebug's long range weapon for when you want to ignite a couple dudes at a distance. Good for marking or for keeping distance. Basically treat it as your MAC-10. -Flamethrower: Does what it says on the tin. Better range (slightly), damage and bigger "magazine" than the Caulk N Burn. -Microwave Gun: TECHNO FLAMETHROWER! TIME TO COOK SOME ZED-MALLOWS! Other than the sway and busy sight (at least the center is clear and you're not going for pin-point accuracy) this thing is amazing in so many ways. I've been told it penetrates zeds too (like a flamethrower) but it's kinda hard to see the effects of your own gun (which is why it's hard to figure out flamethrower/caulk range).
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Aug 27, 2015 21:49
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So something entirely unrelated to the current meta and balance. What did you do to character voices? Everybody is quieter, muffled, less chatty. And Anton's voice better be a placeholder cause it's Dj Skully with some of the personalized lines cut out.
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Aug 27, 2015 22:15
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Shumagorath posted:...but the community is the absolute worst. it barely even counts as trolling since there's almost no effort involved in starting it up.
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Aug 27, 2015 22:27
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Gharbad the Weak posted:Is there gonna be a way to get the Zweihander on my account without having to spend 20bux on a game I don't really want? Especially if it turns out to be better than other berserker weapons. Chivalry goes on sale pretty often.
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Aug 27, 2015 22:35
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rolling dual 9mm's with backup until I can get a Scar is good
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az posted:So something entirely unrelated to the current meta and balance. What did you do to character voices? Everybody is quieter, muffled, less chatty. And Anton's voice better be a placeholder cause it's Dj Skully with some of the personalized lines cut out. every character is getting replaced by DJ Skully next patch, actually EYYYYYY, BIG BELGIAN Geight posted:
I can say my personal experience is that the ammo nerf has made support manifestly Unfun To Play on at least waves 1, 2, and 3 of a 7-wave. That's a bad loving sign.
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Aug 27, 2015 22:50
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Are they still wiping perks? It's the only thing preventing me from buying this probably amazing game.
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az posted:So something entirely unrelated to the current meta and balance. What did you do to character voices? Everybody is quieter, muffled, less chatty. And Anton's voice better be a placeholder cause it's Dj Skully with some of the personalized lines cut out. To quote myself from the TWI forums: There are a number of audio balancing tasks that are still outstanding in the Preview build right now (placeholder voice for Anton, non-final audio balancing, etc.). Our sound designer is planning on a pretty extensive pass before the "release" version of the patch goes out. Volt Catfish posted:Are they still wiping perks? It's the only thing preventing me from buying this probably amazing game. Nope. We announced at E3 that we were confident in the stats/XP system now and won't be wiping any perk progress.
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Volt Catfish posted:Are they still wiping perks? It's the only thing preventing me from buying this probably amazing game. There will be no more resets, so get to killing.
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Hot drat, I've got a game to buy. Thanks everybody!
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Shumagorath posted:Firebug weapon feedback now that I've hit level 5: As for Chiv, I have a screenshot of me swordfighting a mans on a tower with persistent ragdolls making every inch of ground covered in the corpses of players. While the chat has a debate over who called who a fag. All it's missing is somebody screaming that using the Feint button is cheating, and that contorting your body at a 90 degree angle backwards to overhand people behind you in the feet instantly is pro play. Then it would be the perfect Chivalry.JPG Chivakry is however, totally worth a sales buy no matter what because despite all that it can be super fun. Today's objective, kill all the peasants!
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Aug 28, 2015 00:31
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please put the KF1 trader as a playable character. plz.
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Section Z posted:Regardless of "Treat your video game shotgun as your long range weapons" suggestions. If the Trench gun had a plume of flame or damaging muzzle flash to boost its close-range power that might work...? Maybe it gets better when you have Napalm/Shrapnel but I also see Caulk N Burn gaining more. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Aug 28, 2015 01:05
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The buckshot from the Trench Gun already looks like fireworks, so I kinda wish it just shot fireworks. Just shoot a single rocket out that explodes into fire-setting shrapnel on impact with the first thing it hits.
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Shumagorath posted:This is something I wish more games would model, really. Shotguns aren't the Elmer Fudd blunderbuss unless you put a ridiculous choke on them or shorten the barrel, but Quake 2 (or probably Doom 2) trained people to expect buckshot has a 90º sweep and it leads to ridiculous balance decisions like in CoD where the shot disappears after 20 feet. Yeah I think that they should add an extra plume of flame alongside the pellets, almost like a puff from a flamethrower. The pellets are just a bonus if you want to reach out and hit something.
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Just had a demolitionist round where I picked up a caulk from a firebug who died on round one. Fire-Demo works really, really well. The cluster and grenade launchers were great for attacking long range stuff while the caulk and later flamethrower cleared up the short range stuff just fine, also gave me an out when sirens arrived. I made an amazing trash sweeper/assist dude Of course the lack of single target "I need this big guy dead NOW!" utility of the C4 meant I was utterly screwed when a scrake and fleshpound aggroed on me out of the entire group.  But yeah, Demo works best with an off-perk weapon it seems, or carrying a demo weapon on another perk (like Medic). Rayjenkins posted:Yeah I think that they should add an extra plume of flame alongside the pellets, almost like a puff from a flamethrower. The pellets are just a bonus if you want to reach out and hit something. That would be so cool, like legit cool.
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I've found that a Medic with Medic SMG and RPG-7 is a fun gimmick build. You can clear out groups of enemies and have the strength needed when things get too close in terms of weapons and armor.
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I've been liking the medic smg on demo Until we get the lever action that's always my go-to off perk weapon
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Shumagorath posted:This is something I wish more games would model, really. Shotguns aren't the Elmer Fudd blunderbuss unless you put a ridiculous choke on them or shorten the barrel, but Quake 2 (or probably Doom 2) trained people to expect buckshot has a 90º sweep and it leads to ridiculous balance decisions like in CoD where the shot disappears after 20 feet. A badass dragonbreath plume would be fun and effective yes. I'll be honest. I don't mind that Video Game Shotguns work the way they do. It gives them something different than 'Fat rifle' for mechanics. The stock, M4, and AA12 spread isn't too crazy but still just enough that you know it will wing more than one zed if they aren't standing exactly in single file if need be. The Boomstick being a crazy wide cone is a good variety, and it's damage is such that even it you miss literally half the pellets it will still do as much damage as one M4 or AA12 shot. I vastly prefer the current pellets over the concept of "Slug" rounds which would only be able to kill multiple zed standing in perfect single file. Plus with pellets, a "Near miss headshot" will still kill up to gorefasts if so much as a single pellet hits them, That said, suggesting your video game shotgun is your "long range option" just because it has more range than a flamethrower or sword still sounds silly to my personal tastes, despite technically being true (Comparing the Nailgun to a HAMMER is enough of an extreme that it makes sense to me, at least).
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gnome7 posted:The buckshot from the Trench Gun already looks like fireworks, so I kinda wish it just shot fireworks. Just shoot a single rocket out that explodes into fire-setting shrapnel on impact with the first thing it hits.
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Just played a couple of games and having a blast. One thing I'd like to see is for a medic, could you either make health and armor disappear when full, or change color? I know it's not a big deal, but it would help when I'm trying to see who I haven't healed, and the black background blends into the darkness of the level.
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Inside Out Mom posted:Just played a couple of games and having a blast. One thing I'd like to see is for a medic, could you either make health and armor disappear when full, or change color? I know it's not a big deal, but it would help when I'm trying to see who I haven't healed, and the black background blends into the darkness of the level. Swing your crosshair around, it makes a little clicky sound on someone when they aren't totally maxed. That said, the healthbars are pretty bad, making it hard to figure out exactly where people are, and the names are tiny making it hard to identify the right player in the middle of the action. I'd like to see them worked on a bit.
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Inside Out Mom posted:Just played a couple of games and having a blast. One thing I'd like to see is for a medic, could you either make health and armor disappear when full, or change color? I know it's not a big deal, but it would help when I'm trying to see who I haven't healed, and the black background blends into the darkness of the level. Aim down sight when you are going to heal another player. A blue crosshair will appear and lock on to the player after about half a second. Then press the heal dart and it will home in on the person. You can still do it without aiming but I found the dart to be a bit more accurate this way. Also keep in mind that your darts heal over time so while it may look like a player is still missing health they may just be slowly healing from your last dart. If they don't beep then your healing dart don't reap.
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I just experienced my first crash with the game today, might be a FLEX issue. I had it turned on for gibs and fluids and noticed a major frame drop while walking through an area that basically looked like a charnel house. My game crashed to desktop with the bug report message shortly later while in the middle of the boss round  This was on a GTX 970 if this helps anybody. Still going to leave FLEX on because it makes shots so much more satisfying and I haven't noticed a hit to normal performance aside from this random crash.
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:please put the KF1 trader as a playable character. plz. This would actually own yeah
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Revolver Bunker posted:Aim down sight when you are going to heal another player. A blue crosshair will appear and lock on to the player after about half a second. Then press the heal dart and it will home in on the person. You can still do it without aiming but I found the dart to be a bit more accurate this way. Also keep in mind that your darts heal over time so while it may look like a player is still missing health they may just be slowly healing from your last dart. If they don't beep then your healing dart don't reap. Thanks. That is some stuff I didn't know. If you want to get a group going send me a request or a message. http://steamcommunity.com/id/znorps/
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Catacombs could do with some standing floodlights. Having to identify Skrakes by shadow isn't going to be nice when the number of Firebugs levels back to normal.
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I'm not 100% sure but the demo pistol might need a small buff, especially at low levels that thing is dishearteningly weak at times. It's not consistent though, which is ... odd. And at high levels it's never going to stand up to Hans or a big enemy. And I still can't make C4 work for me. So until/unless I can pack an M79 + RPG ... I dunno. the level 20 perk choice is super ridiculous though. "have a piddling 10% for off-perk weapons" against "make all your demo weapons awesome-errrrrrr"
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