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Sheng-ji Yang posted:not sure how bernie is similar to dukakis at all but ok They are similar in the same way polar opposites are similar. Bernie = baller patriot alpha who owns the poo poo out of everything Dukakis = beta bitch So I guess they're not similar at all.
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Kalman posted:Yeah, no. You are literally completely wrong on this (which, I mean, nothing new there.). Clinton does better with millennials than with any other age bracket (she runs about +7 compared to her overall splits.) Let's see if the millennials actually come out to vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. I don't think they will.
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Dahbadu posted:I'm not trying to attack you, but let me give you my two cents and you can make of it what you will: I think the difference is the aim of the run. The impression I get from Bernie is that he doesn't care about the office so much as the task; I'm sure Hillary cares about the poor and middle classes too, but it sure feels more like being President is an achievement she wants as a feather in her hat. Maybe that's influenced by all the talk of dynasty and inevitability. 
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Aug 28, 2015 01:41
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Willa Rogers posted:Let's see if the millennials actually come out to vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. I don't think they will. I mean, they won't, but that's because most of them won't bother to vote period, no matter who the nominee is.
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Deep Hurting posted:The plural of anecdote is not data, but my former junior high-school art teacher, who's 68, female, and supported Hillary over Obama in 2008, is an enthusiastic Bernie supporter now. Her current Facebook profile picture has her wearing one of his crazy hair and glasses-design hoodies. Eureka/Arcata, by any chance?
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Willa Rogers posted:Let's see if the millennials actually come out to vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. I don't think they will. Hillary is 2016's John Kerry
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Kalman posted:Yeah, no. You are literally completely wrong on this (which, I mean, nothing new there.). Clinton does better with millennials than with any other age bracket (she runs about +7 compared to her overall splits.) I'd love to see the breakdown of that.
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Mo_Steel posted:I'd love to see the breakdown of that. It's from the Quinnipiac poll released today, which has publicly available results. I doubt there is enough sample size to get any sort of breakdown within the age range.
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Willa Rogers posted:No, I think Jimmy Carter's wishy-washy neoliberalism had more to do with that. If Kennedy had won the '80 nomination, I don't think Reagan would have won the general (much as I think it'll take Hillary's winning the nomination next year to elect Pres. Trump). Carter may have been the final nail (or perhaps the crushing defeat in 1984 was), but McGovern's loss really destroyed the anti-war left and Nixon's presidency certainly killed any lingering hope within the left and perhaps led to groups like the Weathermen moving to a more direct response. I'm worried that Sanders getting the nomination and then losing will be even worse than the effect of all the liberals that projected their values onto Obama and became all cynical when he didn't bring about full communism by 2010. A whole new generation got excited about politics in 2008 and learned the hard way that you can't change the US in one Presidential term. Kind of like the Tea Party, I guess, but they keep having to relearn it every two years.
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^^^ And what if Hillary wins the nomination and loses? Further proof that "she's just too liberal!" And no, that wasn't the lesson of Obama's presidency. That lesson was: Don't elect demagogues who have no intention of fulfilling their candidacy's promises, especially when they spurn public financing, choose a cabinet full of Wall Street insiders, and are chosen to run by Reid & Daschle. Kalman posted:It's from the Quinnipiac poll released today, which has publicly available results. I doubt there is enough sample size to get any sort of breakdown within the age range. They sampled a total of 120 18-34 year olds. Lmao that you quoted this as being proof positive of the millennial vote for Hillary. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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"I wouldn't vote for my mom, why would I vote for Hillary?"
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I don't want to turn this thread into Bernie chat, and I'm sorry if it's heading that way. I just wanted to post something that pertained to Bernie being another McGovern or Dukakis, or whatever. Bernie has legit crossover appeal. You even have Repubs in this thread saying they'd be willing to vote for Bernie. I think that means something. For example, look how Bernie handles gun control: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgH6nhusfEM Dahbadu fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Sir Tonk posted:I'm worried that Sanders getting the nomination Fortunately, you have nothing to worry about! 
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Mitt Romney posted:Jeb Bush realizes that it is August and the polls don't matter yet. His massive field organization, money and super PAC money will take care of the rest until primaries. None of which Trump has. Your right of course, Trump is a lightweight, and the Bush machine will wait and totally crush him in 2017.
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Internet Webguy posted:What people in this thread don't get about Jeb is that now is the exact time in the campaign to stomp on as many rakes as possible and have your staff study the ones that give the biggest bruises so you can avoid them when people are paying attention en masse. Jeb! hasn't shown even one shred of competence in his entire campaign and has basically gone out of his way to piss off virtually everyone. No way would he for example go on an unprovoked attack against Asians among many other completely idiotic things if he wasn't completely terrible at campaigning. He's also disliked by the conservative base to a greater extent than Romney and is somehow even less charismatic. I don't think the nominee is going to be Trump but it's not going to be Jeb! either.
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Dahbadu posted:I want to turn this thread into Bernie chat, Who is Bernie and why do we care?
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Dahbadu posted:You even have Repubs in this thread saying they'd be willing to vote for Bernie.  Have the polling outfits been alerted?
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Dahbadu posted:I want to turn this thread into Bernie chat, and I'm sorry if it's heading that way. I just wanted to post something that pertained to Bernie being another McGovern or Dukakis, or whatever. And yet the NRA still gives him an F rating. I would also like to subscribe to a world where Republicans don't smear and lie and where their base cares about the truth but unfortunately there is no Narnia at the end of the wardrobe.
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Dahn posted:Who is Bernie and why do we care? Bernie is the sad old socialist who surrendered his stage to BLM. Imagine that guy trying to negotiate with Putin?
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Kalman posted:Yeah, no. You are literally completely wrong on this (which, I mean, nothing new there.). Clinton does better with millennials than with any other age bracket (she runs about +7 compared to her overall splits.) Yep, millennials would vote for Bernie at almost equal levels as they would for Hillary despite Bernie having a much lower level of support among the general populace. What you need to do is compare the splits among millennials with those of the general voting population, otherwise you're just comparing absolute levels of support, which everyone knows Clinton leads.
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The main thing that makes me think of sexism when it comes to Hillary is the hard-on people here get when Biden is mentioned as an option. Because he's generally to the right of Clinton, but he has a manly man persona that makes the the young white male demographic go weak in the knees. I love Onion Biden too, but the appeal is very gendered there. Bernie's appeal is more that he's campaigning from Hillary's left, which naturally captures the imagination of the left. The idea of not voting for Hillary because she's not Sanders is pretty sad, like you want the guy to be Ralph Nader or something.
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DutchDupe posted:And yet the NRA still gives him an F rating. Don't get me wrong, I'm under no impression that won't happen. I know that reality doesn't matter. Edit: Basically, Bernie doesn't talk like a guarded politician, he's authentic, he's a populist, he's not anti-gun, and when you have a chance to see him debate or speak he radiates strength (despite being an old grandpa with crazy hair). For those that aren't indoctrinated, I think he may have some appeal. Dahbadu fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Montasque posted:Bernie is the sad old socialist who surrendered his stage to BLM. but he seems like a nice guy he talks about helping me against the evil capitalist (my boss....and total douchebag)
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radical meme posted:They might vote for him in the primary but, and I hope we never get the chance to see if I'm right, they will not vote for him in a general election. There's too much for the GOP to throw at him to shut down any hope of him ever winning a general election. I don't think "most" Democrats will switch parties I simply think that a lot won't even vote after the attack ad apocalypse that would come out of the GOP against a Bernie run. It would be Dukakis, or worse, all over again. His age is a major drawback. He has one foot in the grave already and people are suppose to vote for him? He's older than Reagan was running for his second term. Remember Old President Dole, Old President McCain and Old President Ron Paul? Yeah, never happened, never will. His age is the only factor I would be all that concerned about (affecting the election), but one important difference between himself and McCain, at least, is that Bernie would not choose a loving moron as his running mate. Ron Paul never made it to the general so I don't see how he's relevant to the point you're trying to make. Martin Random posted:Eureka/Arcata, by any chance? I wish! There's a lot of great music that's come from that area.
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Kalman posted:They aren't and they don't. Hell, there are black people who vote Republican! (Probably about as many as will vote for Bernie in the primaries.) I think more black people will vote for Bernie than will vote for Republicans.
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Hodgepodge posted:The main thing that makes me think of sexism when it comes to Hillary is the hard-on people here get when Biden is mentioned as an option. Because he's generally to the right of Clinton, but he has a manly man persona that makes the the young white male demographic go weak in the knees. I love Onion Biden too, but the appeal is very gendered there. Virtually no one here has any interest in Biden. I've seen a bunch of ironic "Diamond Joe" support but that's not real support. Maybe you're missing the jokes.
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radical meme posted:They might vote for him in the primary but, and I hope we never get the chance to see if I'm right, they will not vote for him in a general election. There's too much for the GOP to throw at him to shut down any hope of him ever winning a general election. I don't think "most" Democrats will switch parties I simply think that a lot won't even vote after the attack ad apocalypse that would come out of the GOP against a Bernie run. It would be Dukakis, or worse, all over again. His age is a major drawback. He has one foot in the grave already and people are suppose to vote for him? He's older than Reagan was running for his second term. Remember Old President Dole, Old President McCain and Old President Ron Paul? Yeah, never happened, never will. You are taking your insane, baseless perception of the situation and projecting it onto millennials as a demographic. Nobody else thinks this.
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radical meme posted:Millennials are not going to vote for Bernie in the general election. Old, white, white haired, commie, New England Jew is never going to pull the votes of young people in this country. http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/feeling-the-bern-with-the-youth-vote
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Vox Nihili posted:Virtually no one here has any interest in Biden. I've seen a bunch of ironic "Diamond Joe" support but that's not real support. Maybe you're missing the jokes. I love Diamond Joe, no race is complete without a creepy huger.
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Still LOLing at all the support for Hillary Clinton. She is neither impressive OR likeable, she is riding the coattails of her husband's name. She rode them into a Senate seat, a 2008 presidential campaign, and then a cabinet position. I didn't vote for BILL Clinton or Obama but I also think on a personal level they seem likeable enough. If they were my neighbors, I wouldn't talk politics with them to avoid arguments, but I'd hang out with them over the grill or over a beer. If Hillary Clinton was my neighbor, I'd turn off the lights and hide behind the couch if I looked out the window and saw her coming my way. You people should be dusting off all your Romney jokes, when speaking she comes off as someone trying to pretend to be a normal human being or trying to pretend to be able to relate to normal human beings. Most people who are not a lock Democrat vote anyway probably do not like her at all. AND on top of it all, she's a phony and a fraud. She's a special interest and foreign interest trollop. AND you have a candidate who actually represents the things you claim to be for. AND you keep talking about your demographic advantage that is continuing to grow re: the electoral college and winning the presidency. WTF would you blow an advantage like that, if you actually believe it exists, by supporting an entitled stiff over someone who actuallu closely represents your views and desires???
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Dahbadu posted:I don't want to turn this thread into Bernie chat, and I'm sorry if it's heading that way. I just wanted to post something that pertained to Bernie being another McGovern or Dukakis, or whatever. here's a common sense solution: gently caress rural America hth
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Boosted_C5 posted:Still LOLing at all the support for Hillary Clinton. She is neither impressive OR likeable, she is riding the coattails of her husband's name. She rode them into a Senate seat, a 2008 presidential campaign, and then a cabinet position. I didn't vote for BILL Clinton or Obama but I also think on a personal level they seem likeable enough. If they were my neighbors, I wouldn't talk politics with them to avoid arguments, but I'd hang out with them over the grill or over a beer. If Hillary Clinton was my neighbor, I'd turn off the lights and hide behind the couch if I looked out the window and saw her coming my way. You people should be dusting off all your Romney jokes, when speaking she comes off as someone trying to pretend to be a normal human being or trying to pretend to be able to relate to normal human beings. But she is a Clinton you can't talk to her like that.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:here's a common sense solution: gently caress rural America Yeah that place your food comes from, gently caress those guys. Back to Dubstep and bardrinks.
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Jewel Repetition posted:http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/feeling-the-bern-with-the-youth-vote On Friday, in a greater coup, Sanders received the endorsement of the fifteen-year-old prank candidate Deez Nuts, who made a splash in some Midwestern polls earlier this month, and who cited his frank and accessible style. Queried about Sanders’s leading opponent in the race, Hillary Clinton, Mr. Nuts simply asked, “Why can’t you be more open and friendly like Bernie?” Mr. Nuts, lol. A Neurotic Jew posted:to summarize the baby boomers in this thread are yelling at clouds like always and should probably be turned into fertilizer for a Millenials weed garden somewhere. I'd rather water my weed garden with the sweet sweet tears of Hillary supporters. 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:here's a common sense solution: gently caress rural America you're a really really bad poster hth
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Willa Rogers posted:On Friday, in a greater coup, Sanders received the endorsement of the fifteen-year-old prank candidate Deez Nuts, who made a splash in some Midwestern polls earlier this month, and who cited his frank and accessible style. Queried about Sanders’s leading opponent in the race, Hillary Clinton, Mr. Nuts simply asked, “Why can’t you be more open and friendly like Bernie?” Bernie was so close, then Deez had to poo poo all over it, Damm you.....why did you do it? after all you are a Nutz, you should know better.
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Vox Nihili posted:Virtually no one here has any interest in Biden. I've seen a bunch of ironic "Diamond Joe" support but that's not real support. Maybe you're missing the jokes. The people who want Biden in the race are mostly the media, because the media has a really terrible relationship with the Clintons.
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