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SRM posted:The same kind of person who makes an Eldar rape diorama. Aww come on man. I thought you were cool, SRM  And Bulba! You too? Man. If you can't tell the difference I hate to imagine what game you think you're painting minis for.
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Aug 27, 2015 19:49
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We can't tell the difference The diorama gets us just as excited as our cartoons with the tentacles
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Aug 27, 2015 20:16
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TheCosmicMuffet posted:Aww come on man. I thought you were cool, SRM I was just reacting for the sake of the joke. I think modeling dead dudes on your scenery or whatever is fine and that shot of what looks like a firing squad sort of thing is kind of whatever and is mostly just overreaction. That sorta thing happens in the fluff all the time, and it's not like the Marines have SS logos for their chapter badges or whatever.
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Aug 27, 2015 20:38
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Might be a bit of terrain, because of the hard edge sticking over the table. As for Commissars, they lead from the front and shoot the mean who don't follow them into glory and death. drat it, he wants to hit it with his sword, and you'll drive it there. I have also thought about making a diorama of guards (well, commissars) executing renegades and heretics near a promethium pit filled from a Hell Hound. But that's money and effort. And why does it seem that Death Watch RPG inevitably turns to hunting CSM and daemons when there are perfectly good ludicrously overpowered Xenos in the book...
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Aug 27, 2015 20:40
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Colonial Air Force posted:Fictional Soviet commissars at that, as real commissars did not actually do that. It was propaganda the Nazis stated and after the war, the West had no reason to debunk it. Not entirely made up. But not nearly as common as the Nazis made out. Similar to how human waves were used a few times as desperation tactics in early parts of the war, but weren't common. Here's a discussion on the barrier troops.
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Oh are we nerding out? My wife and I saw Stalingrad recently, which is a big budget modern ww2 movie about the russian front *by russians*. It is in many ways a Russian version of Saving Private Ryan. Including weirdly incongruous and mildly hosed up bumper scenes that set the tone into the realm of the bizarre, and then immediately fall away to reveal a really interesting and great movie. What's interesting is how that movie portrays the idea of executing 'cowards' and 'traitors' in the face of the enemy, as an artifact of current Russian pop culture. I obviously have no idea if the prevailing response from the typical russian is 'that's hosed up, what a weird movie' or 'drat straight'. Given the way human beings work, it's probably 50/50. Anyway, really interesting from the point of view that thematically they're very similar, but maybe the one twist that got me was the way it dwells on the pain of what's going on. SPR, I think, while it kind of heralded a new era of hamburger as a visual device in a historical drama, tried to avoid lingering overlong on scenes of futility or anguish. Each person lost in the battle is treated like the worst thing that's ever happened. In a sense, the whole thing is eulogy for the death of soldiers that happened off camera. Stalingrad, on the other hand, embraces every personal sacrifice almost like it's supposed to happen. It seems like everyone is doomed and they're looking for a good way to go out--because if they don't go out in a blaze of glory, they'll be failing to make a difference. In SPR the soldiers who resent what's going on are treated like they have a valid point of view. Even when they get brow-beaten into continuing on, they're doing it because that earns them the right to go home (paraphrasing the tom hanks character). In Stalingrad, nobody gets to go home. Anyone complaining is treated like they're evil--including at least one case where the tom-hanks analogue shoots them at the barest hint of breakdown, rather than let a scene like what happens around Wade's death erupt. Sorry for turning it into the history thread, but this stuff is actually super interesting. And thank god SRM and Bulb are good guys after all.
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Aug 27, 2015 22:01
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Yeah I guess you guys are right, there's hardly any resemblance here.   vs     ...although in all seriousness, I'll grant you the russian commanders also wore similar hats and trenchcoats. please don't take this too seriously
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Aug 27, 2015 22:03
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Why yes this thread needs another derail, thanks
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Aug 27, 2015 22:17
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Dear thread, I am sorry. Sincerely, BULBASAUR, Esq.
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Aug 27, 2015 22:19
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BULBASAUR posted:Dear thread, 
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JackMann posted:Not entirely made up. But not nearly as common as the Nazis made out. Similar to how human waves were used a few times as desperation tactics in early parts of the war, but weren't common. Here's a discussion on the barrier troops. Thanks for that. It's good to have sources I can turn to when people talk about this. I'd also be curious if someone could point me to an army that didn't shoot cowards fleeing from battle and causing morale problems. Ideally, you round them up and charge them with desertion, but in the heat of a firefight, that's not always practical. In my own research, there were just as many times when a commissar was punished alongside the officer he was with for falling back than the officer alone was. TheCosmicMuffet posted:Stalingrad I have that film. It's yet another history movie that, for some reason, had to have a romance subplot thrown in. Improbable Lobster posted:Why yes this thread needs another derail, thanks Any time. 3 Action Economist fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Aug 27, 2015 22:26
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IG should just execute random people for being cowards or lacking honoure Like the British did 25 years before Stalingrad Hitler
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Aug 27, 2015 22:54
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I thought everyone agreed and realized that everything in the 40k universe is a grimdark imperialist force of brutality and suffering? "In the pleasant brightness of the far future, there is tremendous empathy and goodwill" would not sell models of dudes wearing skulls on their machineguns. There's a difference between literal nazis / kkkmarines and the fantasy xenophobia. Here's some boba fat because discussions shouldn't happen without pics 
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Aug 27, 2015 22:55
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Sigma-X posted:I thought everyone agreed and realized that everything in the 40k universe is a grimdark imperialist force of brutality and suffering? Maybe stick to the bad models instead 
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Improbable Lobster posted:Maybe stick to the bad models instead Blue Table. WAIT NO, I see white primer and not black.
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Aug 27, 2015 23:26
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Sigma-X posted:I thought everyone agreed and realized that everything in the 40k universe is a grimdark imperialist force of brutality and suffering? Bubba'd Fett
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Aug 28, 2015 01:10
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That blue and silver space marine is the same scheme as the first marines I ever painted. I called the chapter the Lost Boys. I think it was still better than that, though.
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Aug 28, 2015 01:25
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I know this is the wrong thread for these, but I wasn't sure where else to put them.
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Aug 28, 2015 05:13
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You should put them on your wall, in a frame.
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Aug 28, 2015 05:55
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Safety Factor posted:I know this is the wrong thread for these, but I wasn't sure where else to put them. Scruppets? Muppunts? Has science finally gone too far?!?
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Aug 28, 2015 07:52
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Safety Factor posted:I know this is the wrong thread for these, but I wasn't sure where else to put them. Oh god I think I actually want some. 
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Aug 28, 2015 10:19
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Reset by Peer posted:Oh, for real now? I know that in the grim darkness of the future there is only war, but christ, talk about being tone def. "Everyone is the bad guys" is one of the central themes of 40k. Space Marines are genocidal ubermensch mega-Hitlers who will murder entire planets because there was a chaos cult in some backwater town. The best thing you can say about Space Marines and the Imperium in general is "at least they're not chaos/tyranids/orks/dark eldar". I doubt whoever was posing this was thinking, "yeah, murdering civilians is so cool and completely morally right"
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Aug 28, 2015 11:33
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Especially the Red Scorpions, they're known for being particularly nazi-like. The scorpion badge is even supposed to be reminiscent of a swastika.
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Aug 28, 2015 11:39
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Geisladisk posted:"Everyone is the bad guys" is one of the central themes of 40k. Space Marines are genocidal ubermensch mega-Hitlers who will murder entire planets because there was a chaos cult in some backwater town. The best thing you can say about Space Marines and the Imperium in general is "at least they're not chaos/tyranids/orks/dark eldar".  MasterSlowPoke posted:Especially the Red Scorpions, they're known for being particularly nazi-like. The scorpion badge is even supposed to be reminiscent of a swastika. 
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Aug 28, 2015 11:47
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Safety Factor posted:I know this is the wrong thread for these, but I wasn't sure where else to put them. Sigh - again, someone posting in the wrong thread. You want the Awesome Paintjob thread.
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Aug 28, 2015 14:26
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 Model creating unspiration, what the gently caress is wrong with those automata. They're ok as far as carapace and skulls goes, but anything below that line is madness.
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Aug 28, 2015 14:40
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The gently caress is up with that tech priest? 
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Aug 28, 2015 14:45
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Maybe there just deployed to agri-worlds, so they can plow the fields at the same time as purging the heretics ?
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Aug 28, 2015 14:47
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Aug 28, 2015 14:47
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TBH I don't mind the robots so much, they look like a mess but that seems vaguely intentional, it's more the tech priest I'm confused on.
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Aug 28, 2015 14:53
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The automata look screwey because GW has a thing now for "floating" models and they all look terrible because they can't get the dynamic right. The tech-priest is alright, but, again, it suffers from GW's terrible CAD sculpting. Knowing their hiring policies, they got some fan right out of high school who had a class on 3D modeling in Blender. Or Tom Kirby's wife.
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Aug 28, 2015 14:59
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FW really can't do techpriests, IMHO. GW Engineseers are the best.
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Aug 28, 2015 14:59
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berzerkmonkey posted:The automata look screwey because GW has a thing now for "floating" models and they all look terrible because they can't get the dynamic right. Care to elaborate on lovely CAD sculpting? I'd like to know more.
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Aug 28, 2015 15:00
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I posted a picture in the bad thread, but those robots are basically skull-having knockoffs of the old AT-43 assault medusae.
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Aug 28, 2015 15:04
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I think those Admech guys look pretty cool! So this isn't terribly unspirationy, but it's very Hollismason-y, since it contains an actual animal skull and spine: 
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JcDent posted:FW really can't do techpriests, IMHO. GW Engineseers are the best. Are those FW? They looks like plastic kits to me... JcDent posted:Care to elaborate on lovely CAD sculpting? I'd like to know more. I don't know if you've seen the newer AoS stuff they're putting out, but they are terrible mono-pose, featureless sculpts. One chaos guy literally has a square butt, like someone stuck two bricks in his pants. (Chaos mutation: Slab rear end.) berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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FW has plastics, I'm certain. I don't like this techpriest either, but automata look they're worst off. Like, I understand that the spike down is supposed to be tools and poo poo, but it looks like a stream of rust vomit. And yes, gently caress the new flying/floating models.
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JcDent posted:FW has plastics, I'm certain. Also I think those robits look good and I don't get what everyone's problem is with them.
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SRM posted:No they don't. Forgeworld has never done a plastic model. Some Forgeworld models have been converted to plastic and sold as core GW products (Valkyrie, Trygon, etc) but they don't have any plastics. I don't think they look bad - I'm just not a fan of the way GW is doing their flying aesthetic. Personally, I'd rather use a clear stem to give the illusion of flight.
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