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guts and bolts posted:In basically every version of events told in any of the supplementary materials, Sephiroth doesn't get tossed in by Cloud - he jumps in, of his own accord, to either further his own nefarious schemes or to show off what an untouchable badass he is or whatever. I hated this change and still hate it now; it's a small thing, like I said, that completely ruins my ability to enjoy anything of "On The Way To A Smile" or Crisis Core. The friends of mine who are only loosely acquainted with FF7 tend to have drawn conclusions about the game based on fan reaction and worship as well as these side materials, and after seeing things like Advent Children it's really easy to assume that Cloud is always a mopey, depressed stoic who only ever expresses sadness, while the rest of the game is obsessed with showing off how unbelievably amazing Sephiroth is. Your effortpost is undermined by you complaining about something that didn't happen Here is the scene in Crisis Core. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZiz86LdeiE
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Aug 29, 2015 15:44
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The alternate version of that scene only occurred in Before Crisis, I think.
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Aug 29, 2015 15:44
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I didn't read that
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Aug 29, 2015 15:47
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Your issue isn't caring, it's nihilism of wanting nothing instead of something you don't want
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Aug 29, 2015 15:56
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Oxxidation posted:The alternate version of that scene only occurred in Before Crisis, I think. Yeah, but the thing with Before Crisis is that it's intentionally only semi-canon. It is My Fanfiction Turk Is At All The Important Places and even Crisis Core (which is by the same director and even has one of the potential fanfiction turks as a character) doesn't actually follow its version of events. I think something kinda similar happens in Last Order but LO was specifically made to promote Crisis Core's release and absolutely nothing in it is supposed to be taken as anything but a goofy 5 minute OAV. Zack also didn't die from getting sniped randomly either.
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Aug 29, 2015 16:05
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guts and bolts posted:Horrible care post inc: Not horrible, I thought you had good points and articulated a lot of why I'm not at all excited for this remake 
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Aug 29, 2015 16:31
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guts and bolts posted:In basically every version of events told in any of the supplementary materials, Sephiroth doesn't get tossed in by Cloud - he jumps in, of his own accord, to either further his own nefarious schemes or to show off what an untouchable badass he is or whatever. Crisis Core, the only supplementary game that I know shows those events, doesn't have him jumping in of his own accord so I think you just made that poo poo up. Also, not even fans know what they hell they want from FF7. Or Final fantasy in general really. This thread, the 4 year long FF7 LP thread, and every discussion of FF7 most of the people talking about the game don't remember or didn't realize almost all the plot points or character moments. Because it was the first jrpg for so many its fandom played in mostly in their childhoods and only have vague ideas of what happened or what characters were like. It's why when Cloud was swapped into Vincent's place in KH most fans just said "Yeah no, this seems basically right." One of my earliest posts in this thread was making fun of someone who was bitching about Crisis Core making Zack into a Mary Sue and forcing him into a relationship with Aeris and letting him just drag cloud out of the Shinra Mansion and somehow making it to Midgard. I get liking FF7, but don't act like Square-Enix is the only one who just doesn't get it. And FF13 and LR own and I'm sorry you're wrong.
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Aug 29, 2015 18:12
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Given the maxim in the thread title, we need to concede that its entirely logical to wonder why the worst game got 2 sequels, or wonder why the worst game is being remade.
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Aug 29, 2015 19:26
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zedprime posted:Given the maxim in the thread title, we need to concede that its entirely logical to wonder why the worst game got 2 sequels, or wonder why the worst game is being remade. I didn't know ff2 had any sequels
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Aug 29, 2015 19:34
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corn in the bible posted:I didn't know ff2 had any sequels uhh, final fantasy legend 1 and 2
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Aug 29, 2015 19:45
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ImpAtom posted:Your effortpost is undermined by you complaining about something that didn't happen Which, considering that it's a thing relating to VII, is bizarrely appropriate.
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Aug 29, 2015 19:57
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ImpAtom posted:Your effortpost is undermined by you complaining about something that didn't happen 
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Aug 29, 2015 20:12
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It was a good effort post, I read and appreciated it even though I didn't agree with everything. I can't speak to ImpAtom's point since I never finished Crisis Core. The EU is mostly terrible crap and it's part of the reason there's more than a little dread around the FF7 remake.
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Aug 29, 2015 20:24
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I would normally laugh at anyone caring that much about a videogame whatever it is but yeah, I basically agree. To me, FFVII is three disks long. I sat through that car crash of a movie for love of the game then forgot about it. I haven't bothered with anything else FFVII related despite playing it through several times and holding the plot/characters up there with the best modern works of fiction. If the remake is anything other than a line by line reconstruction with a fancy new cutscene engine it is probably gonna be a disappointment. Best thing to do is forget it is happening and wait for people who give a gently caress to waste dozens of hours playing it through before deciding if it is worth the time of day to shatter your rosey tinted glasses for. That's my plan anyway!
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Aug 29, 2015 20:56
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bloodychill posted:It was a good effort post, I read and appreciated it even though I didn't agree with everything. I can't speak to ImpAtom's point since I never finished Crisis Core. The EU is mostly terrible crap and it's part of the reason there's more than a little dread around the FF7 remake. I posted a link to the scene and everything.  Actually one neat thing I noticed upon rewatching the CC version though: Cloud grabbing the Buster Sword and attacking is literally identical to the Braver limit break. Which is a nice little touch for how Cloud could do anything like that. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Aug 29, 2015 |
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Aug 29, 2015 21:38
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Off the top of my head, I can only name the Screw Attack video of the demo, but I definitely remember a bunch of places calling Lightning "female Cloud" back before the first FF13 came out. Not really taking this anywhere, I just thought that was funny.
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Aug 29, 2015 22:17
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I think they literally put Clouds face on a woman's body and open talked about that fact
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Aug 29, 2015 22:38
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That isn't really what they did. Nomura was asked to design someone who was a 'serious' character akin to Cloud and Squall. People took "I was asked to design a Cloud-like character" and extrapolated it to "I was asked to make female Cloud." I mean Lightning is obviously supposed to remind you of Cloud. She is an ex-soldier who first shows up on a train breaking into a place alongside her black gun-wielding friend. But they didn't start with "Literally Female Cloud."
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Aug 29, 2015 22:41
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ImpAtom posted:I posted a link to the scene and everything. That part of the scene bothered me. I remember FF7 having Cloud run into the pod chamber with the sword in hand, find Tifa, then draw it in the Jenova room. It's a small detail, the transfer was the point because the game is about Zack, but it was still wrong! Even if they kept that great scene with Cloud tossing Sephiroth. He was likely just remembering Last Order, which was bullshit and I agree completely.
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Aug 29, 2015 22:54
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If they know they can't please every FFVII fan, then they should just make it so that it pleases none of them. Aerith will be renamed again to Aelisu, the Gold Saucer will be entirely microtransaction-based, and the only person Cloud can take on a date will be Vincent.
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Aug 29, 2015 23:32
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That loving Sned posted:If they know they can't please every FFVII fan, then they should just make it so that it pleases none of them. I have no idea why you think there isn't a large portion of the FF fanbase who would squeal with delight over Cloud going on a date with Vincent.
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Aug 29, 2015 23:34
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ImpAtom posted:I have no idea why you think there isn't a large portion of the FF fanbase who would squeal with delight over Cloud going on a date with Vincent. 
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Aug 29, 2015 23:36
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ImpAtom posted:I have no idea why you think there isn't a large portion of the FF fanbase who would squeal with delight over Cloud going on a date with Vincent. Sorry, but Vincent is now a happy-go-lucky star of the planet's only sport. Plus, Sephiroth dies in a cutscene just before you get to fight him, only to be replaced by the real villain who was pulling the strings the entire time. And no, it's not Jenova since that would have actual foreshadowing.
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Aug 29, 2015 23:44
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Following Sephiroth's defeat in the life stream, the planet manifests 3 levers for Cloud to choose the fate of the world...
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Aug 30, 2015 00:01
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That loving Sned posted:Sorry, but Vincent is now a happy-go-lucky star of the planet's only sport. I like it...
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Aug 30, 2015 00:07
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That loving Sned posted:Sorry, but Vincent is now a happy-go-lucky star of the planet's only sport. It is Judas Matthias?!
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Aug 30, 2015 00:09
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ImpAtom posted:It is Judas Matthias?! Since we all know they'll probably add a new character in the remake, I'd laugh my rear end off if he was localized as that as a nod to that dumb fantranslation.
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Aug 30, 2015 00:12
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Since we all know they'll probably add a new character in the remake, I'd laugh my rear end off if he was localized as that as a nod to that dumb fantranslation. I suspect they won't add any new party characters but there is no way Vincent and Yuffie will be secret characters anymore.
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Aug 30, 2015 00:13
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That loving Sned posted:Sorry, but Vincent is now a happy-go-lucky star of the planet's only sport. COMPETITIVE BROODING  Tonight at 8 on SIN! ImpAtom posted:It is Judas Matthias?! Iscaar Matthias 
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Aug 30, 2015 00:26
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PAX update: FFXV release window is officially 2016. e: a more specific date will be announced at an event in March. Arist fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Aug 30, 2015 |
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Aug 30, 2015 00:39
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Champion Vincent will have off against rising newcomer Squall. Tonight only on pay per view.
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Aug 30, 2015 00:40
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There's some Active Time Report live about FFXV going on: http://www.twitch.tv/pax2 Seems to mostly be talking about concept art. Yeesh. Schwartzcough fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Aug 30, 2015 |
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Aug 30, 2015 00:56
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That's some next-level poo poo to announce a date for the announcement of a release date.
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Aug 30, 2015 01:25
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How much longer to FFXV having a decade between initial announcement and release?
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Aug 30, 2015 01:52
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That loving Sned posted:Sorry, but Vincent is now a happy-go-lucky star of the planet's only sport. is it judas issachar
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Aug 30, 2015 02:18
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It's good to post, from the heart.
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Aug 30, 2015 04:02
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What I want from an FFVII remake is a nice, bonus dungeon that lets me murderlize other games bosses in hi-def graphics. Implication that Jenova killed their worlds optional.
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Aug 30, 2015 04:19
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In what way is Lightning a "Cloud-Like" character? Throwing her into similar situations as someone mentioned previously, with the train and the black gun wielding sidekick are just events, not characterization. Edit: Missed a letter. Further edit, I completely misread the post where that came up. Please disregard. Either way, I agree with the novel the dude wrote earlier. My concern is that they'll take Mopey Cloud and try to replace OG Cloud. Mechanics will be what they are and I'm not too worried about those. Theotus fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Aug 30, 2015 |
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Aug 30, 2015 04:26
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i am attracted to both of them when they dress like girls
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Aug 30, 2015 04:30
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