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Is there a reason why Gamergate discussion isn't a bannable offense? I'm pretty sure we had a similar thing for Bronies a while back.
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BigRed0427 posted:There's a new Feminist Frequency. We are at Defcon 1 for 4/8chan bullshit. Can't watch it till tonight though,I'm at work and my cell phone hit its data limit for the month: It's a good video, though once again I find myself kinda frustrated that the videos are so academic in tone. I totally 100% understand why they are like that, they are meant to be academic, but the video basically boils down to "Games often use women as rewards for in-game accomplishments, let me spend 30 minutes explaining the ways in which video games reward behavior in general because I do not assume that you know anything about video games at all." And it's valuable to have stuff like this, that doesn't make any assumptions, but for me personally I wish there was somebody discussing this stuff who doesn't need to take 5 minutes to explain what an achievement is.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:16
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Maybe if there were people who didn't think even this stuff was too extreme, then her videos would focus less on the 101. I wish she wasn't so introductory too, but it's sad that it's a necessity to prevent even more poo poo coming her way.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:23
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If she was actually academic in her approach most of her detractors would give up immediately, because the average nerd cannot process academic texts.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:33
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:If she was actually academic in her approach most of her detractors would give up immediately, because the average nerd cannot process academic texts. That is funny to me, these people laud of their intellect but cannot pierce what should be simple English to them.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:38
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:If she was actually academic in her approach most of her detractors would give up immediately, because the average nerd cannot process academic texts. The people who attack Feminist Frequency literally celebrate video games not being taken seriously as art due to their actions, because it means less criticism.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:44
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:If she was actually academic in her approach most of her detractors would give up immediately, because the average nerd cannot process academic texts. One of them claimed that she plagiarized her master's thesis because it contained citations.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:49
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Jack Gladney posted:One of them claimed that she plagiarized her master's thesis because it contained citations. I was being kind of facetious, but I guess there was no need to be.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:54
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Junior Jr. posted:I wish anyone involved with Gamergate (pro or anti) would shut their loving mouths because I don't care what they want in life, but they keep thinking they're so special. lmao On the topic of FemFreq though. Anita takes so many precautions to make it abundantly clear that you can enjoy things while still being critical towards them, and is going to such lengths to make sure that the videos don't come off as sarcastic or condescending to the point where they feel a bit lifeless and they don't really hit as hard as I'd like them to. They are good introductions to the concepts for people who don't really know of them though. I just find it funny that the narrative where she's this incredibly radical strawman became so incredibly widespread, or at least I would find it funny if it wasn't so god drat sad.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:55
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Keromaru5 posted:Okay, maybe you know something I don't. I understand you want to defend your friend. I just know what I've read elsewhere, and it's not good. This all looks like a very large gang of people stalking somebody because she called them racist.
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Aug 31, 2015 20:39
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:This all looks like a very large gang of people stalking somebody because she called them racist. Third paragraph?
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I'm all for critical analysis of video games and the characters in them, but when it's taken too seriously or too extreme that's when this really gets out of hand. I want to be clear I don't have a problem with Anita Sarkeesian or Feminist Frequency, nor do I care about what they do, but I do think they're taking certain things the wrong way. I get that she's trying to give some criticism and statements about the current state of video games and how certain characters are perceived, but it generally comes across as "women are being mistreated in gaming" and that's why anti-Sarkeesian people always use this one nutshell statement, and others, as weapons to call bullshit on Anita in extreme lengths. Female video game characters, whether they're "damsels in distress" or "strong, independent women", are merely works of fiction, and the fact that certain people take this seriously is a bit demoralising. You can say what you want about the portrayal of certain video game characters, but it should be taken with a grain of salt instead of going all out on them. Once again, even if they make stupid statements about female game characters or how much extreme blood and violence is in DOOM 4 and Fallout 4, even though there were already complaints of the excessive amount of violence in the first DOOM game, or if it takes them a decade to finish the Tropes Vs. Women series, I couldn't care less about FemFreq in general.
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Aug 31, 2015 20:53
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Third paragraph? I did
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Aug 31, 2015 21:08
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Junior Jr. posted:I'm all for critical analysis of video games and the characters in them, but when it's taken too seriously or too extreme that's when this really gets out of hand. Have you heard of the Bible? A work of fiction people also take seriously and analyze.
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Aug 31, 2015 21:11
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I wouldn't factor her twitter posts into what she puts into her videos. All of those are basically the exact same thing her boyfriend posts which leads me to believe that he just hijacks her account to leverage her fame into legitimizing his opinions. That's speculation, of course, but they say the exact same thing it's almost uncanny. He comes off as an insufferable, condescending prick while she has more tact and grace than that, despite what anyone thinks of her opinions or work.
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Aug 31, 2015 21:11
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Junior Jr. posted:Female video game characters, whether they're "damsels in distress" or "strong, independent women", are merely works of fiction, and the fact that certain people take this seriously is a bit demoralising. You can say what you want about the portrayal of certain video game characters, but it should be taken with a grain of salt instead of going all out on them. What the heck are you doing in the thread about internet critics?
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Aug 31, 2015 21:16
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Junior Jr. posted:Female video game characters, whether they're "damsels in distress" or "strong, independent women", are merely works of fiction, and the fact that certain people take this seriously is a bit demoralising. You can say what you want about the portrayal of certain video game characters, but it should be taken with a grain of salt instead of going all out on them. Do you also hold this position for all other forms of fiction?
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Aug 31, 2015 21:18
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Idran posted:Do you also hold this position for all other forms of fiction? I just take them for what they are, if there's a work of fiction that I love or hate, I'd show why I love or hate it...but I don't make it personal like it's all that matters to me in life.
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Aug 31, 2015 21:39
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Junior Jr. posted:I just take them for what they are, if there's a work of fiction that I love or hate, I'd show why I love or hate it...but I don't make it personal like it's all that matters to me in life. Some people think that media express the assumptions and values of the people who make them, and thus the premises and values of the culture in which they live.
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Aug 31, 2015 22:09
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Junior Jr. posted:I just take them for what they are, if there's a work of fiction that I love or hate, I'd show why I love or hate it...but I don't make it personal like it's all that matters to me in life. What are they?
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Aug 31, 2015 22:16
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Junior Jr. posted:I'm all for critical analysis of video games and the characters in them, but when it's taken too seriously or too extreme that's when this really gets out of hand. Tweets bitching about violence in the new Doom were amazing entertainment and I'll 1v1 on Rust anyone who disagrees. Slappers only.
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Aug 31, 2015 22:37
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Aug 31, 2015 22:37
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:What are they? If it's a film series like Back To The Future or a comic book superhero like Batman, I'll express why I love those types of fiction, BTTF because I enjoy time travel stories even if they are cliché, and Batman because the character and the stories always appeared more dark and mysterious, which I feel is a nice contrast compared to more upbeat and quirky superhero stories and characters like the ones from the Marvel universe. Then there are certain things that I hate like Terminator 3, because as someone who's been following the Terminator franchise, it spoils all the fundamental events that happened in Terminator 2, even though I don't want to sound as it personally meant something for me, I still feel pissed off that T3 ruined what seemed like a great continuity ending to the franchise by bringing it back with an explanation that "it's inevitable" and the story never truly ends (in fact it's now gone in a completely new direction, case in point Genisys). Once again. I know they're all works of fiction, and anyone can rewrite and change them depending on how they feel about them and what sounds good or not, but there are certain changes out there that I find disappointing. Junior Jr. fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Aug 31, 2015 |
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Aug 31, 2015 22:41
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DStecks posted:It's a good video, though once again I find myself kinda frustrated that the videos are so academic in tone. I totally 100% understand why they are like that, they are meant to be academic, but the video basically boils down to "Games often use women as rewards for in-game accomplishments, let me spend 30 minutes explaining the ways in which video games reward behavior in general because I do not assume that you know anything about video games at all." And it's valuable to have stuff like this, that doesn't make any assumptions, but for me personally I wish there was somebody discussing this stuff who doesn't need to take 5 minutes to explain what an achievement is. I think the videos are aimed more towards an audience who might not be familiar with video games. Also, after watching the most recent video, I have to agree that do feel really dull and and lacking in energy. You can't make a 'master of unlocking' joke and phone-in the delivery like that. That's just not right. Jimbot posted:I wouldn't factor her twitter posts into what she puts into her videos. All of those are basically the exact same thing her boyfriend posts which leads me to believe that he just hijacks her account to leverage her fame into legitimizing his opinions. That's speculation, of course, but they say the exact same thing it's almost uncanny. He comes off as an insufferable, condescending prick while she has more tact and grace than that, despite what anyone thinks of her opinions or work. I would think if that were that case, she'd tell him to stop doing that. Like you said, though, that might not be the case. Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Aug 31, 2015 |
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Aug 31, 2015 23:24
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Jimbot posted:I wouldn't factor her twitter posts into what she puts into her videos. All of those are basically the exact same thing her boyfriend posts which leads me to believe that he just hijacks her account to leverage her fame into legitimizing his opinions. That's speculation, of course, but they say the exact same thing it's almost uncanny. He comes off as an insufferable, condescending prick while she has more tact and grace than that, despite what anyone thinks of her opinions or work. If this is true, the irony would be palatable. A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Have you heard of the Bible? A work of fiction people also take seriously and analyze. *sighs as he slowly tips his fedora*
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Aug 31, 2015 23:37
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Junior Jr. posted:If it's a film series like Back To The Future or a comic book superhero like Batman, I'll express why I love those types of fiction, BTTF because I enjoy time travel stories even if they are cliché, and Batman because the character and the stories always appeared more dark and mysterious, which I feel is a nice contrast compared to more upbeat and quirky superhero stories and characters like the ones from the Marvel universe. to counter, have you considered that you're a tremendous loving idiot?
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Aug 31, 2015 23:41
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I can't believe these manchildren may control the fate of the Middle East.
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Aug 31, 2015 23:45
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Beefstew posted:I can't believe these manchildren may control the fate of the Middle East.
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Beefstew posted:I can't believe these manchildren may control the fate of the Middle East. Speak of the devil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MEA7B3MKcg
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Junior Jr. posted:If it's a film series like Back To The Future or a comic book superhero like Batman, I'll express why I love those types of fiction, BTTF because I enjoy time travel stories even if they are cliché, and Batman because the character and the stories always appeared more dark and mysterious, which I feel is a nice contrast compared to more upbeat and quirky superhero stories and characters like the ones from the Marvel universe. What do you think about Jack Gladney's post that you may have missed?
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Junior Jr. posted:nor do I care about what they do, but I do think... three solid paragraphs Ok.
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Mokinokaro posted:Speak of the devil I'm glad most of the start is just them laughing at what a baby man Landis is.
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Sep 1, 2015 00:06
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Idran posted:What do you think about Jack Gladney's post that you may have missed? I'm just bringing this one up quickly, but yes he does make a good point.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I'm glad most of the start is just them laughing at what a baby man Landis is. I will admit, I did like his Wrestling isn't Wrestling video.
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Sep 1, 2015 00:44
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Jimbot posted:I will admit, I did like his Wrestling isn't Wrestling video. Yea credit where it's due, that was solid as hell.
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Internet Critic Discussion Thread 3.0: Beefstew posted:I can't believe these manchildren may control the fate of the Middle East.
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Mad Lupine posted:If this is true, the irony would be palatable. I wasn't trying to be a dick, just trying to articulate that analysis is how people approach everything.
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Sep 1, 2015 00:58
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:I wasn't trying to be a dick, just trying to articulate that analysis is how people approach everything. Poe's law strikes again! ...Probably.
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Mokinokaro posted:Speak of the devil I think this proves that Chronicle will be the only film anyone remembers Max for. Fun Fact: Did you know Max Landis wrote SCP-2137? No really.
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