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Nckdictator posted:It's seriously hosed up that one of the US's oldest ships is rusting away due to a lack of donations. there are a bunch more things in the US that are more hosed up than this, who cares 
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JawKnee posted:there are a bunch more things in the US that are more hosed up than this, who cares I agree with you and I'd rather spend resources on better things, but it still sucks to see things waste away. Even if it was a machine of war. 
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itskage posted:I agree with you and I'd rather spend resources on better things, but it still sucks to see things waste away. Even if it was a machine of war. Restore it to pristine condition. Send it to the Mediterranean to ferry refugees to western Europe. Win/Win! 
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Hubis posted:Restore it to pristine condition. Send it to the Mediterranean to ferry refugees to western Europe. Win/Win! We have an obligation to share American wall technology with our European brothers.  Nah I'm just loving with ya Biden 2016.
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Armyman25 posted:Went antiquing with the woman this weekend. Some ironic in retrospect ads and headlines. I remember that movie being one of my favorites when I was kid. I wonder if it's horrifically offensive now? Here's the trailer for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJKHsVajBvc
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JawKnee posted:there are a bunch more things in the US that are more hosed up than this, who cares I didn't realize it was possible to only care about one thing at a time. That's pretty much the same argument as "Why should we care about women earning less then men in the workplace, there are women being stoned to death in Saudi Arabia?" Historical preservation is a huge deal. 
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Stay classy conservatives
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C.M. Kruger posted:The USS Texas (the only remaining dreadnought) is in a similar sorry state. Supposedly they're still plugging holes in the hull with rags and the plans to place her in a dry berth have apparently been shelved due to a lack of money. Scuttle the fucker. 
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A Winner is Jew posted:Stay classy conservatives There is nothing objectionable about an image of a black man being lynched.  That's a post card?
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Hubis posted:Restore it to pristine condition. Send it to the Mediterranean to ferry refugees to western Europe. Win/Win! Would be a cool idea that the USN even already has experience in. 
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Klaus88 posted:There is nothing objectionable about an image of a black man being lynched. And if he is guilty of war crimes (which he almost certainly is)? What then? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdD9uSrNFT4 Alternatively, if you can't stand listening to Chomsky speak, as I cannot.   
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A Winner is Jew posted:Stay classy conservatives The H in Benghazi is not silent, but an artefact of making it understandable to Americans. In the actual name, the H is not there in any way, much like Hillary was not involved in the events. From a Danish newspaper: Xenophobic populist Kristian Thulesen Dahl saying "I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that Denmark's legal reservation to the EU means that we're not part of the EU immigration policy, so I'd recommend picking another country" 
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Our little town is pretty cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKflKzmfRCw https://shannynmoore.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/sarah-palins-homer-moment/
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JawKnee posted:there are a bunch more things in the US that are more hosed up than this, who cares Boy I wonder if one of those guys standing in line is a welder! It's almost like not funding domestic stuff is related to lots of people being unemployed. Oh well, maybe they can just turn that boat into a condominium for rich people.  The grain pier that was the focus of Season 2 from the Wire turned into a loving condo.
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Rand alPaul posted:Boy I wonder if one of those guys standing in line is a welder! It's almost like not funding domestic stuff is related to lots of people being unemployed. Paying those hypothetical welders to cut the ship up and scuttle it in the middle of the bay would be just as economically beneficial (if not moreso) so that doesn't really seem like an argument.  Nckdictator posted:I didn't realize it was possible to only care about one thing at a time. That's pretty much the same argument as "Why should we care about women earning less then men in the workplace, there are women being stoned to death in Saudi Arabia?" The argument is that the two things are directly comparable because they can both be translated to the same basis (cash to spend on programs). Of course, they're actually incomparable because they don't really draw from the same cash base given that they have different political accessibility: every dollar for restoring a historical landmark comes at a different political cost than every dollar for a work, education, body-camera, whatever program. Spending money on one doesn't necessarily take money from the other. So you can have relative priorities while not completely discounting as an error anything which advances something which isn't the top priority.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Ben Shapiro of Breitbart Hey the broken clock is right this time. 
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C.M. Kruger posted:The USS Texas (the only remaining dreadnought) is in a similar sorry state. Supposedly they're still plugging holes in the hull with rags and the plans to place her in a dry berth have apparently been shelved due to a lack of money. Too bad it doesn't have the original lattice masts and superstructure.  I've toured the Mikasa and I wish they had restored the interior to original, to get an idea of what life on those old ships was like 
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Mulva posted:Hey the broken clock is right this time. It's really more like how noon and midnight are the same time. 
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Hubis posted:Paying those hypothetical welders to cut the ship up and scuttle it in the middle of the bay would be just as economically beneficial (if not moreso) so that doesn't really seem like an argument. I don't see how this disputes my argument that there's a ton of work that needs to be done and a ton of people out of work willing to do it. Also I am not sure how you figure sinking a ship instead of restoring it and using it as a museum would be better for the economy. 
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Steel ships are boring, we have thousands of those. Break 'em down into scrap. Sailing ships can stay.  MV Kalakala, a notable ferry in the puget sound region. Some effort was made to fund its restoration by its owner, but failed. Was completely scrapped earlier this year.
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Kudos to the klan for dialing in exactly how threatening to LE they want to be. 
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Stultus Maximus posted:I've toured the Mikasa and I wish they had restored the interior to original, to get an idea of what life on those old ships was like This is her sister ship, the Esukasa 
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Neopagans, the most benign, harmless group of old hippies left in America are a terrorist threat. 
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Neopagans, the most benign, harmless group of old hippies left in America are a terrorist threat. Neopaganism is associated with a lot of violent white supremacist groups. 
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Asatru in particular, which is a cobbling together of Viking religion. In Europe, it's associated with Scandinavia and their cultural heritage. In America, it's associated with Scandinavia and their incredible whiteness. Asatru priest: 
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Even within scandinavia a lot of the weirdos that believe in the Ásatrú have connection to far-right racist groups like: and similiar shitheads. I almost wanna say that most of the time when you see someone wearing a Thor's hammer necklace and they're not too into metal they're just a breath away from spouting white supremacy bs.
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It's a real shame, too, because the icons are cool and the myths are neato. The Icelandic branch is building the first temple in 1,000 years and said to the BBC -quote:“We see the stories as poetic metaphors and a manifestation of the forces of nature and human psychology.”  
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Rand alPaul posted:I don't see how this disputes my argument that there's a ton of work that needs to be done and a ton of people out of work willing to do it. Eh, I was mostly using it as a chance to make a glib joke about the Broken Window Fallacy (hence the image of Dr. Krugman). You can mostly disregard. You're absolutely right that, in a slump featuring under-utilized labor, domestic programs of any sort would be economically beneficial. Paying people to bury gold in the ground would be more valuable than just saving that gold in a bank somewhere, for example. Given that historical restoration has non-economic benefits and political appeal that makes it more likely to be enacted it is inherently convenient and so would be a good idea. However, that's not to say that it would be just as economically stimulative as actual public works programs, like (say) paying those welders/masons/whatever to rebuild some of the crumbling and under-funded infrastructure that's rotting out under the country. Spending which both employs the under-employed and adds 'velocity' to the monetary base AND which provides net economic benefit for the future is always going to be preferable; the problem is simply that such programs are often infeasible because of partisan/class politics, so the best you can do is spend money on "useless" things like the military, national parks, historic restoration, etc. Of course this kind of argument leads neo-liberal types to argue that Keynesian economics is wrong because it dictates things like natural disasters are good for the economy. Krugman got a lot of flak for arguing that World War 2 helped end the Great Depression because it forced a bunch of stimulative spending. Those people are generally either arguing in bad faith or just not understanding the point (that something is better than nothing, but that doesn't mean we should go out breaking windows just so people have to fix them). 
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Animal rights / environmental radicals - 0 deaths in 25 years Anti - abortion radicals - multiple murders, terrorist bombings and mass shootings as recently as 2012 Better watch out for those animal rights wackos! e: whoops thought this was the email forwards thread. pic: 
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800peepee51doodoo posted:Animal rights / environmental radicals - 0 deaths in 25 years Whatever. A 5 second google search: an animal rights zealot. He is under federal indictment for allegedly igniting explosive devices outside two Northern California firms – biotechnology giant Chiron and homecare-product manufacturer Shaklee — in 2003. The FBI says a potentially deadly second explosive at Shaklee, strapped with nails and likely targeted at first responders, was defused. http://www.psmag.com/politics-and-law/when-extreme-animal-rights-activists-attack-40430 
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Bohemian Nights posted:Even within scandinavia a lot of the weirdos that believe in the Ásatrú have connection to far-right racist groups like:  
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