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When the villains (who aren't part of nazarick) do stupidly vicious and gruesome stuff, that is to establish them as Bad People so that it is okay for our (evil) heroes to kill them in a correspondingly brutal way. It is silly and completely lacks nuance, but that is true for pretty much all of overlord. However, it does serve a purpose for the story. I'm not really sure what, if any, purpose it has when the nazarick folks turn on the gore machine the rest of the time. It might just be gratuitous violence for its own sake (incredibly likely), or it may have a meaning down the road (ha ha, not a chance). The funny thing is, the guild members who created these horrible monsters were just having fun in a mmo. Sticking in a dandy demon npc who is real evil and mean and stuff was just going with the theme of their guild hall. It wasn't like they ever expected their jokey guard npcs to come to life and start acting out this crap. If by some chance Ains does actually find one of his old friends, I kinda doubt they would like seeing what became of the guild. Ains doesn't really care though, because he is just very glad to have his friends' 'children' around.
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A factor that doesn't show up much in the anime since they cut most of the internal monologues is that Ains is constantly on his tippy toes around the "kids", because while they may worship him now, if they ever decide he's not quite freaking awesome enough, he'll face an army led by multiple lv100 monsters. Combined with Demiurge and Albedo being extremely competent it results in an ever slippier slope for Ains to retain his humanity, as he pretends their brilliant plans were his own all along. I think the gore is a necessity for this, because it gives a sense of dread over Ains' future mental state, even if it's increasingly unpleasant (especially in later volumes). Will he continue to let evil twist his fate, or will he realize what he's about to become and rebel against it, etc, etc. If everyone was nice and sweet, there wouldn't be much left of this psychological aspect of the story. Of course you could ask why it has to take 10+ or whatever books to develop.
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Aug 31, 2015 17:26
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darkgray posted:A factor that doesn't show up much in the anime since they cut most of the internal monologues is that Ains is constantly on his tippy toes around the "kids", because while they may worship him now, if they ever decide he's not quite freaking awesome enough, he'll face an army led by multiple lv100 monsters. Combined with Demiurge and Albedo being extremely competent it results in an ever slippier slope for Ains to retain his humanity, as he pretends their brilliant plans were his own all along. I'd say Ainz's development with regards to that is actually a pretty weak part of the books, because I still don't think he's faced a truly trying challenge up to this point, he kinda just rolls forward over everything like a force of nature for nine books. Maybe 10 will change that but I honestly doubt it.
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Aug 31, 2015 17:36
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If the subordinates finally go too far, if powers beyond even his level finally appear, if something like a mass local uprising were to happen as nazrick's increasingly terrifying reputation unites absolutely every man woman and child against Ainz finally, those would be cool, but I bet instead some big threat will show up, be immediately destroyed by high level magic, and Ainz will be even stronger by the end of it.
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I get the impression LNs are basically little 50 page things people pick up to read on the train for a couple bucks. If that's the case I'm not really surprised that there are so many. Ains is basically the modern day equivalent of a popular character from pulp magazines.
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Aug 31, 2015 17:42
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LN is just the equivalent of a YA novel that often has illustrated pictures of some of the scenes in it, the overlord ones are actually pretty big from what I reckon.
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Aug 31, 2015 17:43
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Sharkopath posted:LN is just the equivalent of a YA novel that often has illustrated pictures of some of the scenes in it, the overlord ones are actually pretty big from what I reckon. Game of Thrones with illustrations 
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:I get the impression LNs are basically little 50 page things people pick up to read on the train for a couple bucks. If that's the case I'm not really surprised that there are so many. Ains is basically the modern day equivalent of a popular character from pulp magazines.  Overlord vols 1-2 on the left, Haruhi vols 1-2 on the right. 33cl Pepsi can in the middle for size reference. Overlord novels cost 1000 yen each, regular light novels (like Haruhi) cost around 600 yen.
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Technically isn't Ainz still way more powerful than any of his underlings even if they're level 100 as well?Sharkopath posted:Ｐｅｐｓｉ． bepsi
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Fabricated posted:Technically isn't Ainz still way more powerful than any of his underlings even if they're level 100 as well? Wouldn't make much of a raid event if a single player could waltz right through the defences, would it?
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Aug 31, 2015 18:02
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darkgray posted:A factor that doesn't show up much in the anime since they cut most of the internal monologues is that Ains is constantly on his tippy toes around the "kids", because while they may worship him now, if they ever decide he's not quite freaking awesome enough, he'll face an army led by multiple lv100 monsters. Combined with Demiurge and Albedo being extremely competent it results in an ever slippier slope for Ains to retain his humanity, as he pretends their brilliant plans were his own all along. He doesn't know what the hell these former npcs are. They remember what happened when they were npcs, but don't seem to remember actually being npcs. Their brief character bios were never intended as the basis for sentient beings, either.
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Aug 31, 2015 18:04
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Fabricated posted:Technically isn't Ainz still way more powerful than any of his underlings even if they're level 100 as well? Certainly not all of them at once. Maybe if he used all the world class items at once. Even then though, he'd have trouble. He is not a powerbuild, he is a roleplaying build.
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Fabricated posted:Technically isn't Ainz still way more powerful than any of his underlings even if they're level 100 as well? Yeah, especially if he's using the staff iirc.
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Which made has the biggest numbers and then which maid has the biggest numbers.
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Solution, sometimes.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:48
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I'm not sure why there would be any conflict between Ainz and his subordinates. Didn't they establish in episode 1 that he can use his artifact Staff to change their settings, even without the console? That ought to ensure absolute obedience.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:49
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Which maid has the hypest baps?
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Aug 31, 2015 19:49
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Vengarr posted:I'm not sure why there would be any conflict between Ainz and his subordinates. Didn't they establish in episode 1 that he can use his artifact Staff to change their settings, even without the console? That ought to ensure absolute obedience. He changed Albedo's settings before the jump. He can't see their settings at all now, much less change them. The UI from the mmo is completely gone. Also, the contradiction in Albedo's settings are probably driving her insane.
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Namtab posted:Which maid has the hypest baps? Nermal The real answer is honestly none of those maids are all that interesting.
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Namtab posted:Which maid has the hypest baps? ^^^ Jackard posted:Solution, sometimes. I'm okay with Ains kind of descending into evil alongside his horrifying NPCs. I like the tone they take sometimes where Ains's internal monologue is just kind of along for the ride, and he presents himself as the usual cool and ruthless Ains outwardly, except sometimes as a joke like when Naberal called him out on not just sending recon monsters. I want to see more of that down the line, where Ains is kind of horrified deep down, but all that comes out is *unemotional skeleton stare*. It's an interesting character arc to see him, potentially, slowly free fall into being the supervillain all his minions expect him to be, despite not necessarily wanting to deep down. ^^^LN talk up in the thread sounds like some straight-up edgy fanfiction by a 14yo, though, so hopefully that gets smoothed out a little in the manga. It sounds like each iteration of the story has filtered the writing a bit.
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Colon Semicolon posted:Nermal That has nothing to do with the question. I'm sensing this thread is becoming infested with trolls...
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Sharkopath posted:That has nothing to do with the question. I'm sensing this thread is becoming infested with trolls... I hope you're on the case
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*Holding a stack of Identify Lesser Troll scrolls* Okay, we're ready now.
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Which maid has a dog head? She is probably the sexiest one, because I am sexually attracted to dogs, maids and dog maids.
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Sharkopath posted:*Holding a stack of Identify Lesser Troll scrolls* Do those work on Greater Trolls...just asking for a friend....
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Namtab posted:Do those work on Greater Trolls...just asking for a friend.... We're safe because there's no such thing as a Greater Troll on this dying website, anymore.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Which maid has a dog head? She is probably the sexiest one, because I am sexually attracted to dogs, maids and dog maids. Thank you for your refreshing honesty, user Serious Frolicking. I don't think I have a waifu in this show  Even Albedo is maybe a little too horrifying. She crosses over the usual "scary girl" trope and enters "gross roommate" territory, instead.
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Serious Frolicking posted:He changed Albedo's settings before the jump. He can't see their settings at all now, much less change them. The UI from the mmo is completely gone. Also, the contradiction in Albedo's settings are probably driving her insane. What contradiction?
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Sharkopath posted:That has nothing to do with the question. I'm sensing this thread is becoming infested with trolls... 
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In case people missed it, they also translated the intermission chapter in addition to chapter 9. I know for sure I just found out.
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cant this thread be more of this and less of everything else
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Sharkopath posted:*Holding a stack of Identify Lesser Troll scrolls* Okay, we're ready now. - you should always cast these first. *drops an assortment of counterspells*
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Mordaedil posted:In case people missed it, they also translated the intermission chapter in addition to chapter 9. I know for sure I just found out. *eyes popping out of my head and theyre' out and they didn't go back in*
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THE PENETRATOR posted:*eyes popping out of my head and theyre' out and they didn't go back in* 
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Artificer posted:Touch Me would probably not be pleased. Sebas has a straight up good Alignment. And part of his personality is that he will always look out for the Weak and Helpless, but is very loyal to Nazarick. He also hates Demiurge, guess why. Yuri Alpha, and CZ Delta are also Good Aligned, though not as much as Sebas. Cocyutus and Victim are Neutral and Everyone else in Nazarick shown is some degree of evil. Demiurge and Albedo being the worst.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Sebas has a straight up good Alignment. And part of his personality is that he will always look out for the Weak and Helpless, but is very loyal to Nazarick. He also hates Demiurge, guess why. This sounds like a hostile workplace. 
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Artificer posted:This sounds like a hostile workplace. Demiurge and Shalltear are stated to be utterly horrible to their minions. Demiurge while polite and everything with his equals and superiors is also noted to dislike all of them other then Ainz and Mare. To be exact he thinks Albedo is insane and not suited for her position as overseer of the guardians. (this is true.) Thinks Shalltear is a loose cannon with too much freedom (also true.) Thinks Cocytus is a dumb brute who cares too much about honor. And he hates Sebas because he is a good person who tries to do the right thing even if it would not be overall the best for Nazarick. However as mentioned he likes and respects Mare. He likes him because Mare is very intelligent and ruthless, but hides it well under the shy exterior.
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