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as a linux user, I scorn soap
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why isnt html, css and js like, compiled down to byte code or something, avaliable as a public spec and then your web browser is basically a vm? im sure there are a million reasons
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Sep 1, 2015 10:56
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Awia posted:why isnt html, css and js like, compiled down to byte code or something, avaliable as a public spec and then your web browser is basically a vm? think of it this way: js is the bytecode 
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Sep 1, 2015 12:16
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but i think some of the browsers announced something like that earlier this year? i forget the details and i might be 100% wrong
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Sep 1, 2015 12:17
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Awia posted:why isnt html, css and js like, compiled down to byte code or something, avaliable as a public spec and then your web browser is basically a vm? so, Flash
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Sep 1, 2015 12:28
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or maybe you meant ActiveX. or maybe Java applets, i hear those are in a VM
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Sep 1, 2015 12:29
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everything, all web
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Sep 1, 2015 12:30
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Random cool thing about XML: Visual Studio has a feature called "Paste XML as classes" which does exactly what it says on the label and it looks loving magical. Until one week later the deserialisation mysteriously starts failing, and you discover that the sample XML you pasted in had been generated in the first few days of the month, so VS made the "date" fields into UInt16s instead of UInt32s.
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Sep 1, 2015 12:44
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fart simpson posted:but i think some of the browsers announced something like that earlier this year? i forget the details and i might be 100% wrong ya there will be a clr for the web soon so you can finally code your frontend code in not-javascript
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Sep 1, 2015 13:08
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Awia posted:why isnt html, css and js like, compiled down to byte code or something, avaliable as a public spec and then your web browser is basically a vm? imo webpages should not be turing complete because that can only end badly
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Sep 1, 2015 13:14
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Bloody posted:imo webpages should not be turing complete because that can only end badly far far too late
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Sep 1, 2015 13:23
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yeah 
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Sep 1, 2015 13:23
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regular expressions are (generally) turing complete these days, what hope do you think html has?
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Sep 1, 2015 13:23
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i dont necessarily mean like, you execute them in the case of html or css say but like, you take the plaintext and then change them into a bytecode analog that is quicker to transmit and can be checked for completeness because at the moment you can minify things by taking out whitespace and newlines, why not take it to it's logical conclusion
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Sep 1, 2015 13:37
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does anyone else use the teleric kendo framework for ASP.NET MVC? not really liking it so far, but I have a question. what's the difference or good/bad points about doing .BindTo() instead of .DataSource()? in the spirit of the XY problem - I have a tree view, and I'm trying to setup different mappings for parent/child items, and it looks like only BindTo offers that
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Sep 1, 2015 13:43
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NihilCredo posted:Until one week later the deserialisation mysteriously starts failing, and you discover that the sample XML you pasted in had been generated in the first few days of the month, so VS made the "date" fields into UInt16s instead of UInt32s. what kind of months do you have that have more than 65536 days in them
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Sep 1, 2015 13:44
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Awia posted:i dont necessarily mean like, you execute them in the case of html or css say but like, you take the plaintext and then change them into a bytecode analog that is quicker to transmit and can be checked for completeness oh so you mean gzipping
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Sep 1, 2015 13:44
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Shaggar posted:in healthcare ur data flies around in either x12 or xml project i'm on is all json
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Sep 1, 2015 13:47
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Bloody posted:oh so you mean gzipping but without un zipping it, but cool
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Sep 1, 2015 13:57
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Why aren't Web pages (at least the html for bigger ones) transmitted zipped? Surely data transmission us generally the bottleneck more than rendering is?
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Sep 1, 2015 16:54
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this is probably what you're thinking of http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/the-web-is-getting-its-bytecode-webassembly/
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Sep 1, 2015 17:02
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gonadic io posted:Why aren't Web pages (at least the html for bigger ones) transmitted zipped? Surely data transmission us generally the bottleneck more than rendering is? aren't they?
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Sep 1, 2015 17:06
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i mean you CAN, but i dont think nginx (for example) has gzip compression turned on by default
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Sep 1, 2015 17:08
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Valeyard posted:i mean you CAN, but i dont think nginx (for example) has gzip compression turned on by default yeah but turning it on is like a de facto web standard i mean that's what i thought
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Sep 1, 2015 17:11
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:yeah but turning it on is like a de facto web standard it might be so ingrained and standard that people forget/dont realise it actually happens
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Sep 1, 2015 17:17
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:yeah but turning it on is like a de facto web standard wasn't it a huge security hole for a while there?
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Sep 1, 2015 17:29
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fritz posted:what kind of months do you have that have more than 65536 days in them ddMMyy
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Sep 1, 2015 19:54
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NihilCredo posted:ddMMyy that's your problem right there. use the standard yyyymmdd format and you don't run into problems with variable lengths or leading zeroes or ambiguous parses or anything alternatively, posix timestamps
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Sep 1, 2015 21:36
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:yeah but turning it on is like a de facto web standard
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Sep 1, 2015 21:46
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Soricidus posted:that's your problem right there. use the standard yyyymmdd format and you don't run into problems with variable lengths or leading zeroes or ambiguous parses or anything already do yyyy-MM-dd in my own stuff. that wasn't my xml.
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Sep 1, 2015 22:39
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NihilCredo posted:already do yyyy-MM-dd in my own stuff. that wasn't my xml. fair enough, there aren't many things worse than other people's xml
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Sep 1, 2015 23:36
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NihilCredo posted:ddMMyy lol that's some hosed up bullshit
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Sep 1, 2015 23:37
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Encountered new interesting take on time APIs today, a getMilliseconds() that gets the milliseconds is understandable, but a getMicroseconds() returns literally only the microsecond fraction instead of ms * 1000 + us, similarly for nanoseconds. The underlying bit encoding is odd too, 16-bits for milliseconds, a bit field of 2 unused bits, 3 high bits for nanoseconds, 3 high bits for microseconds, 8 low bits for microseconds, then the final 8 low bits for nanoseconds.
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Sep 1, 2015 23:52
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Bloody posted:imo webpages should not be turing complete because that can only end badly http://cs.stanford.edu/people/karpathy/convnetjs/demo/cifar10.html
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Sep 2, 2015 00:07
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Shaggar posted:lol that's some hosed up bullshit shaggar was right
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Sep 2, 2015 03:06
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the only correct datestamp format for January 3rd, 2015 is 2015-01-03. if you disagree you are wrong
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Sep 2, 2015 04:48
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JewKiller 3000 posted:the only correct datestamp format for January 3rd, 2015 is 2015-01-03. if you disagree you are wrong Zero-indexing is better, so that should be 2014-00-02
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Sep 2, 2015 07:07
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sarehu posted:Zero-indexing is better, so that should be Lol
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Sep 2, 2015 07:19
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First day of job today, and then go down to London for 6 weeks of "boot camp". I'm not thrilled about that but it should be something different I guess
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Sep 2, 2015 07:43
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Valeyard posted:First day of job today, and then go down to London for 6 weeks of "boot camp". I'm not thrilled about that but it should be something different I guess lmao 6 weeks. My code was in production by a single week, I can't imagine what they could possibly take 6 weeks teaching you unless the first day is literally hello world
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