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Abject Suffering errata: The good Crash was a Cronenberg film, yes.
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Loving this week's Retronauts opening with "MGS2 is the most important game of 2015". 
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Sep 1, 2015 15:26
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:Abject Suffering errata: The good Crash was a Cronenberg film, yes. I'm just sad they didn't see what the actor who played Barney looks like:  Thanks to Barney, you now don't have to use your imagination to know what this suave motherfucker sounds like when he says he loves you.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:08
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Also just ducking back a topic because this is an interesting evolution of that VN chatter. If Steam starts getting in on this and not making you jump through off-service patches for the raw versions of these games... buckle in.
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Sep 2, 2015 01:40
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Well, at least watching the artificial wall existing in the minds of lots of gamer type people between Japanese video games and other Japanese nerd media come crumbling down in real time is entertaining as heck. To all the nerds in panic over the anime invasion of their beloved video games, I hate to break it to you, it was there the whole time
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Sep 2, 2015 02:48
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:Also just ducking back a topic because this is an interesting evolution of that VN chatter. If Steam starts getting in on this and not making you jump through off-service patches for the raw versions of these games... buckle in. If Steam want to try to change that, I'm all for it. If more kinds of games are allowed to be commercially viable, it can only be a good thing for the long-term growth of the medium - even if we have to weather the storm of anime nipples in the short term.
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Sep 2, 2015 03:29
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:Also just ducking back a topic because this is an interesting evolution of that VN chatter. If Steam starts getting in on this and not making you jump through off-service patches for the raw versions of these games... buckle in. I don't really think this is going to open the flood gates for full on gross liquid dripping hentai. This game looks really tame, like sex scenes on HBO shows are more graphic based on the handful of screenshots. If Valve wants to curate the line between erotic-but-tasteful and nohumanshouldbelookingatthis I want to see where it goes. But if it goes in the other direction I don't care, I'm a grown adult. Valve will be raking in more dough and some lonely nerd gets to jerk it for $30.
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Sep 2, 2015 03:37
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FractalSandwich posted:If Steam want to try to change that, I'm all for it. If more kinds of games are allowed to be commercially viable, it can only be a good thing for the long-term growth of the medium - even if we have to weather the storm of anime nipples in the short term. Mostly the issue has been the inconsistency. Games like the Mass Effects/Dragon Ages/Witchers of the world were already entirely happy to have sex scenes (sometimes a lot more graphic than what you'd see in a VN, depending on title) and skate through fine, but Steam's basically gone "can't do porno, gotta censor it". More than a few games have gotten on in "edited" editions and then a "fan-made" patch happens to leak out day one for these, which was basically the wink-wink-nudge-nudge answer. It's an interesting shift if they're finally going "You can have a story-based title wherein sex is a major part of that plot and we'll let you get away with this", even if they still shy off of the "pornographic" titles. al-azad posted:I don't really think this is going to open the flood gates for full on gross liquid dripping hentai. This game looks really tame, like sex scenes on HBO shows are more graphic based on the handful of screenshots. If Valve wants to curate the line between erotic-but-tasteful and nohumanshouldbelookingatthis I want to see where it goes. Yeah, basically this. I looked into the game a little more and it seems like it may be just an exception to the prior blanket ban rather than a full shift in policy.
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Sep 2, 2015 03:39
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Steam/Valve is awful at curating anything.
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Sep 2, 2015 03:43
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Yeah, considering this horrible thing exists, I don't really see an issue with graphic sex being on Steam. Yeesh...
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Sep 2, 2015 04:15
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:Mostly the issue has been the inconsistency. Games like the Mass Effects/Dragon Ages/Witchers of the world were already entirely happy to have sex scenes (sometimes a lot more graphic than what you'd see in a VN, depending on title) and skate through fine, but Steam's basically gone "can't do porno, gotta censor it". More than a few games have gotten on in "edited" editions and then a "fan-made" patch happens to leak out day one for these, which was basically the wink-wink-nudge-nudge answer. It's an interesting shift if they're finally going "You can have a story-based title wherein sex is a major part of that plot and we'll let you get away with this", even if they still shy off of the "pornographic" titles. The comments from the publisher are pretty interesting, too. Unlike a lot of these games, they clearly care about not openly declaring war on the coveted social justice warrior demographic. Who knows if that attitude carries over to the actual game, but it's pretty adroit PR, at least.
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Sep 2, 2015 04:22
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icantfindaname posted:Well, at least watching the artificial wall existing in the minds of lots of gamer type people between Japanese video games and other Japanese nerd media come crumbling down in real time is entertaining as heck. To all the nerds in panic over the anime invasion of their beloved video games, I hate to break it to you, it was there the whole time Tir McDohl posted:Yeah, considering this horrible thing exists, I don't really see an issue with graphic sex being on Steam. Yeesh...
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Sep 2, 2015 05:35
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The idea that Valve curates Steam in any meaningful way in 2015 is goddamned hilarious. They've let such a flood of total loving garbage in lately that I've entirely given up on using Steam to discover games. The main page of the Steam store may as well just be a search box as far as I'm concerned.
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Sep 2, 2015 06:48
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I just subscribe to the RPS thing and check best sellers. Mainly it's just word of mouth though I agree.
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Sep 2, 2015 07:17
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Steam doesn't curate but I don't necessarily think that it's a good thing. On the one hand you have the "people will buy what they want to buy, why not make money off it?" and on the other you have Reddit. I've said it before, I'll say it again: at some point you cease to have bad neighbors and start living in a bad neighborhood. Opening the doors to things like that Slave Trade game (which, jesus) doesn't make me think any better of Steam. Yes, it's a marketplace but they could also culture a standard or aesthetic. I don't see that poo poo on GOG or Itch.io and it makes them a more welcoming virtual space where I'm happier to spend my money. What steam tries to do is outsource their curation but that just means that every time I log in, I get to see what Tablebrasket The Snarky Lad has to say about aspect ratios. TL:DR Hentai is loving gross. Stop it.
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Sep 2, 2015 07:55
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:Mostly the issue has been the inconsistency. Games like the Mass Effects/Dragon Ages/Witchers of the world were already entirely happy to have sex scenes (sometimes a lot more graphic than what you'd see in a VN, depending on title) and skate through fine, but Steam's basically gone "can't do porno, gotta censor it". More than a few games have gotten on in "edited" editions and then a "fan-made" patch happens to leak out day one for these, which was basically the wink-wink-nudge-nudge answer. It's an interesting shift if they're finally going "You can have a story-based title wherein sex is a major part of that plot and we'll let you get away with this", even if they still shy off of the "pornographic" titles. No need for a leak when the "director's cut" patch can be downloaded through Steam..
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Sep 2, 2015 08:38
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Woffle posted:TL:DR Hentai is loving gross. Stop it. I think you hit on something more constructive with the rest of what you said, though, which is that what this actually boils down to is a disagreement about whether Valve should curate what they carry on Steam or not. I don't actually have a strong opinion about that - I think there are compelling arguments for both sides. That said, I think it's pretty clear at this point that Valve definitely think they shouldn't be involved in that. My hope, then, is that if they're not going to act as any kind of curator anyway, maybe they can do some good in other ways. I'm hoping that by letting this Kindred Spirits game onto Steam, that means they're opening the door to extra exposure for small-scale projects and art games about sex, if the developers want it. I'm thinking of things in the vein of Cobra Club, much more than the kinds of things that were in the bundles that were mentioned last page.
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Sep 2, 2015 09:56
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Valve does want to be seen as a curator but they don't want to have to explain or be held accountable for any of their decisions so they've defaulted to a position of  that benefits noone.
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Sep 2, 2015 10:14
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but then, there was hentai, and with hentai came disparity
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Sep 2, 2015 10:37
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Woffle posted:TL:DR Hentai is loving gross. Stop it. I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
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Sep 2, 2015 11:59
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This is why I'd like to see come to fruition Gabe's statement about making Steam a federated platform rather than a totally top-down service. Gives you most of the convenience of a centralized service with most of the freedom to host whatever. OtakuJoe can run his curated Hunie Drippers storefront backed by Steam, but you don't ever have to see it.
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Sep 2, 2015 15:57
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Hey Bob, just a heads up that the last few weeks of Retronauts have been some of my favorite episodes. Link to the Past, Simcity Music, and history of Metal Gear have been fantastic.
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Sep 2, 2015 16:52
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Woffle posted:TL:DR Hentai is loving gross. Stop it. But we're lonely and real life girls are scary and possibly have cooties (this is unconfirmed)
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Sep 2, 2015 16:56
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Listening to latest Abject Suffering and the following comments occur: 1) My kids watched Stompy Something or other Minecraft Show and it is very informed by old school kids television. Lots of repeated actions and encouragement for viewers to interact (love garden this case) 2) the Barney vs Barkley skit was a takeoff on a basketball player vs Godzilla commercial that Nike(?) ran in the 90s. Maybe Jordan?
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Sep 2, 2015 17:18
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Further to the Abject Suffering chat: Gary, I can confirm that hedgehogs have a complete set of mammalian genitals. Wonder no longer.
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Sep 2, 2015 17:57
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NmareBfly posted:But we're lonely and real life girls are scary and possibly have cooties (this is unconfirmed) That's cute, you think the audience for hentai games on Steam aren't also furiously jacking it to tons of IRL people porn. Bug Squash posted:Further to the Abject Suffering chat: Gary, I can confirm that hedgehogs have a complete set of mammalian genitals. Wonder no longer. Echidnas have four-pronged dicks though. They are the only animals to have such genitalia.
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Sep 2, 2015 19:44
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FractalSandwich posted:That seems needlessly hostile. We're all on the same side here - when I made that joke about the "coveted social justice warrior demographic", I was absolutely including myself in that category. I meant it as an overfly flippant button that had little to do with a more nuanced post. I do think Hentai is pretty distasteful though. And thanks to everyone for the hedgehog dickfacts! NmareBfly posted:But we're lonely and real life girls are scary and possibly have cooties (this is unconfirmed) This is a joke post but I sometimes run into this attitude expressed sincerely and it always furrows my brow. The idea that "I'm intimidated by girls = I would like to watch underage looking cartoons gently caress" is rooted in an awful lot of problems.
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There's this power of iconography in simplified art that's undeniably appealing. It's "safe" and realistic enough to be believable but simplified enough for you to project yourself into it. I'm not even talking about hentai specifically but cartoons in general. e: The porn industry in general is gross and exploitative but cartoon porn is at the very bottom of the gross totem pole. al-azad fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Sep 2, 2015 |
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Sep 2, 2015 21:57
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al-azad posted:There's this power of iconography in simplified art that's undeniably appealing. It's "safe" and realistic enough to be believable but simplified enough for you to project yourself into it. I'm not even talking about hentai specifically but cartoons in general. Listen to this man, he has a PhD in message board psychotherapy
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The Vosgian Beast posted:That's cute, you think the audience for hentai games on Steam aren't also furiously jacking it to tons of IRL people porn.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Listen to this man, he has a PhD in message board psychotherapy No I just read Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics which applies to literally anything drawn e: good book BTW anyone interested in cartoons, comics, or commercial art should read it al-azad fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Sep 3, 2015 00:02
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Woffle posted:I meant it as an overfly flippant button that had little to do with a more nuanced post. I do think Hentai is pretty distasteful though. And thanks to everyone for the hedgehog dickfacts!
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Sep 3, 2015 03:36
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Dream of the Fisherman's Conversation I'm Kind of Tired Of.
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Sep 3, 2015 14:50
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As one of the primary sources of that poo poo in this thread, I guess I should apologise.
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:Hey Bob, just a heads up that the last few weeks of Retronauts have been some of my favorite episodes. Link to the Past, Simcity Music, and history of Metal Gear have been fantastic. Thanks, glad you like them! I think we're on a pretty good streak, too. (Though Jeremy put together the Metal Gear one.) Now, back to the hentai... *tents fingers*
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Sep 3, 2015 16:28
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So how 'bout that Mario WOFF? I've never gotten around to playing Paper Mario myself, but I had a lot of fun with Bowser's Inside Story, and the LP I saw of Paper Mario was charming as hell.
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Sep 3, 2015 22:22
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Hedgehogs are known for their ability to suck their own dicks. It's how a younger, thinner Ron Jeremy earned the nickname "the hedgehog" back in the 70s. I am not sure how or why I know that.
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Sep 3, 2015 23:12
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Just finished with the Paper Mario WOFF episode. I might have mentioned it my response already, but since you didn't talk much about the title screen movie, I love how Bowser's grand plan was to tape Kammy Koopa in some... storybook to magically break in to Star Haven, steal the Star Rod, wish his castle under Princess Peach's castle, then raise it up into the sky. The badge shop is fairly randomized. I lucked out this playthrough and Speedy Spin was there the first time I stopped by, which makes moving so much faster and dodging enemies a breeze. Also, while a little tricky to pull off, you can get first strikes with Bombette that can save FP and a lot of time on those spiked Clefts. Also, I was honest with Bowser this time, and one of the possible choices other them Mushrooms and Sodas is an final dungeon enemy capable of summoning other units and super charging for 10 damage. Honesty sucks. Also sorta relevant to (every JRPG) the next chapter and backtracking ..even though I still enjoy it. 
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Sep 4, 2015 02:52
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I didn't finish Paper Mario for the first time until a few years ago and was overall disappointed compared to its sequels (yeah, I even think Sticker Star is a better game). Too simplistic with a really soporific pace but it's still an above average to decent game. But two things stand the gently caress out: Peach doesn't lose agency while kidnapped. Super Mario RPG was surprising for making her a playable character but Paper Mario keeps the traditional storyline while keeping Peach a central character. If anything she and Twink are just as central as Mario. Whenever nerds cry that The Legend of Zelda should be about Link and no one else I just point to Peach's role in Paper Mario about how you can run a kidnap story without removing the character completely from existence. Second, Chet Rippo is the greatest NPC. This was the game's saving grace for me. Relatively early I had like 5hp and fp but maxed out in BP making me pretty much invincible. It was a really clever risk/reward system, a neat character I wasn't expecting to see in a Mario game, and the badge system lifted up a game I thought was too basic. Let me put a dollar in the Souls jar but it felt like playing a Souls game naked.
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Third WOFF game in a row with a far superior sequel.
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