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Bort Bortles posted:What is this about Dota maps? Making it so there are three "lanes" to guard? Apparently Abbey is a good map and not horrid garbage that should be removed yesterday. Bort Bortles posted:Also why isnt there a Dota-esque mode yet with creeps and things to blow up? And/or a "last stand" mode where there are creeps and AI tanks coming at you in ever-stronger waves? Look at how long it's taking WG to make something as simple as CTF-with-respawns and you've got your answer right there.
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Bort Bortles posted:What is this about Dota maps? Making it so there are three "lanes" to guard? The DotA maps is a knock on WG's map design, many of their maps boil down to 3 lanes which tanks have to fight along or guard (Think Mountain Pass - High Road/Middle/South). Maps that don't have impassable terrain and are more open to allow flanking are generally regarded as "better," (Steppes is usually mentioned here) but WG has a hard time getting them to work because they don't understand how to play their game. As far as PvE mode, they're played with it internally several times and each time come away saying it's never going to happen. Probably for the best, the idea of WG programming a PvE AI is pretty laughable.
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Sep 2, 2015 19:05
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Bort Bortles posted:Could they have possible noticed that they were hot garbage and are looking at them some more? I am more than certain if the Japanese tanks burst into flames at the start of the battle, WG will still ship it to live. Stats are final, the pinatas are coming.
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Sep 2, 2015 19:14
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the thing about brick heavies is that in tomato vs tomato fights they're actually pretty good, and that's the matchup that WG cares about the most. shame about every single other situation on the other side of this effect we can see the pre-nerf WFTE-100 that WG still felt was a bit on the weak end of things
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Sep 2, 2015 19:20
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The WTF is the single most broken piece of poo poo in the game and should not even exist. The capability to clip every loving tank in the game with the alpha, penetration, and accuracy to go with it? GREAT IDEA! Not to mention its big rear end HP pool to absorb hits. Agrajag fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Sep 2, 2015 |
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Sep 2, 2015 19:24
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Yeah Steppes is great because it is not built around 3 or 4 lanes to attack through. I cant think of another map like that and wish there were more.Prav posted:the thing about brick heavies is that in tomato vs tomato fights they're actually pretty good, and that's the matchup that WG cares about the most. shame about every single other situation Saint Celestine posted:Old waffle was hilarious.
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Sep 2, 2015 19:25
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The Type 91 is incredibly awful to play (I skipped the I-Go) and I'm probably going to skip the Type 95 too. Getting oneshotted all day by O-I Experimentals because the stock gun on that thing is a 12 cm howitzer isn't my idea of a good time.
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Sep 2, 2015 19:31
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srb posted:Playing the new Japanese tier 2, it has the softball launcher 57mm and it can pen itself with HE, this is great. It can pen itself?!? You mean it can fire straight up into the air like the toaster?! Sweet! ZombieLenin posted:For me, it's a habit born of years of using the word before graduate school, and the assumption that every unit "of data" is a plurality in disguise. I know, it's not a big deal, it's just one of those things that bothers you (in this case, me) when you know how something's supposed to be. When you're speaking a foreign word that has its own forms, you don't just edit it according to the rules of a different language, particularly in terms of pluralization. I mean you can do it, but it's still incorrect. Take "species" which is both singular and plural; I can totally see some idiot coming up with "specie" (which is actually a real form but not relevant to this context) or "specieses".  (Also, somewhat related, I feel awkward pronouncing words like "Illinois" or "Detroit" how we're used to hearing them when I know exactly how they're pronounced in the native French.)As far as the Mentor comments go, just ignore it. I'm just being an rear end in a top hat and referring back to the argument we've been having. It kind of got away from us and deviated away from the initial point, and we're all tired of discussing it but I'm rubbing it in because I'm an rear end in a top hat. Keep in mind I'm the guy who gives gold payouts to goons who successfully troll. Don't be like me. Unless you want to be awesome! :iamafag: Bort Bortles posted:I sure hope they dont give it to everyone for free, I just started enjoying having it, using it, and abusing it to poo poo on bads. Well I don't think it would be bad for everyone to have 6th; certainly it's an advantage, and it'd be better for the playing field to be leveled. (DOUBLE ENTENDRE!!!) As nice as it is having 6th now, I find it incredibly disorienting to switch between vehicles that do and don't have it. I have hundreds of tanks in my garage and most of them don't have great crews (because I didn't move them up the lines at the beginning.) (Also, hilariously this makes me a poor spokesman with regards to the "Mentor" thing, and wasn't my point in the first place, but I digress. I'm more than happy to drop it.) I'll concur with what frood wrote is in addressing the DotA lane comment; roughly speaking, the early maps tend to be better and more creative, and later ones more "laney," occasionally being clones of earlier maps (and I'm not talking about the "fiery" or "Winter" versions; see Detroit vs. Himmelsdorf, where they most recently flipped the former around to look less like an obvious clone of the latter) They tweak them all the time though (think early vs. current Redshire.) I hadn't heard that PvE was abandoned, and I don't think this would be the case especially since AW seems to be developing it nicely. Last major thing I knew about was that they were working on a spawn-based PvE mode where the players were defending a city (Ensk or whatever) from tank spawns around the perimeter. Personally I wouldn't mind any PvE mode where compensation was entirely derived from damage done; shitters would get nothing (penalized for 0 damage, even) and bots flagged easily, so hopefully they'd be quickly identified and removed from the game. Win-win!
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Sep 2, 2015 19:50
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Bort Bortles posted:What you mean this? : Yeah. They kept getting blown up before doing much damage. Just don't ask me how that's possible with 2300 HP.
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Sep 2, 2015 19:55
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Prav posted:Yeah. They kept getting blown up before doing much damage. Just don't ask me how that's possible with 2300 HP. I am sorry sir but it only had 2200 HP and only six shots of 560 damage shells with the most accurate gun in the game. Wargaming believe that it was underpowered so much that when they were planning on "nerfing" it they removed a shell and gave it a faster reload, which almost every good player said that was a massive improvement because that last shell is much less important than eight seconds off the reload time. Wargaming.
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Sep 2, 2015 20:07
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Since we are all good players, maybe we actually create a statistical anomaly in every match we play. Imagine a tanks match without a competent player on either side. Is that the real game that we will never be able to experience? Is the ultimate core of gameplay centered on two Durchbruchswagens playing bumper cars?
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Sep 2, 2015 20:08
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Since we are all good players Wow another troll in this thread Mods???
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Sep 2, 2015 20:11
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 I love how they are selling the 4th level as 7 maps, when 4 of them are Himmelsdorf and Ruinberg with their snowy counterparts. Yet another reason it was loving retarded to bother with those variations at all. This is also yet another stealth nerf to the Pak40, since it won't see any long distance maps where it can abuse the poo poo out its laser gun and view range without seeing tier 5s it can't pen. RIP. WayAbvPar fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Sep 2, 2015 |
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Sep 2, 2015 20:20
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Prav posted:Apparently Abbey is a good map and not horrid garbage that should be removed yesterday. its a good map because even though its Just Another Lane Map, two of the three lanes are actually fun to be in.
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Sep 2, 2015 20:24
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:two Durchbruchswagens playing bumper cars? Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI8OqQjca9k
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Sep 2, 2015 20:32
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Atomizer posted:When you're speaking a foreign word that has its own forms, you don't just edit it according to the rules of a different language, particularly in terms of pluralization. Wrong. English does this all the time. It's why we say things like "nuclei" and "fungi" but also "syllabuses" and "hippopotamuses". English is a living language and its rules are continuously evolving depending on how people are actually using it. 
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Sep 2, 2015 20:34
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WayAbvPar posted:Yet another reason it was loving retarded to bother with those variations at all. i dunno, Ruinberg Under Winter is very pretty which is something i can appreciate. Hellsau posted:I am sorry sir but it only had 2200 HP my shame is infinite Control Volume posted:its a good map because even though its Just Another Lane Map, two of the three lanes are actually fun to be in. please don't post lies on the internet, no one has ever enjoyed abbey
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Sep 2, 2015 20:34
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Prav posted:i dunno, Ruinberg Under Winter is very pretty which is something i can appreciate. It looks great. So replace Ruinberg with it and don't feed me the EXACT SAME GAMEPLAY and call it two maps. Control Volume posted:its a good map because even though its Just Another Lane Map, two of the three lanes are actually fun to be in. Only the hills are fun to be in. The river road is nothing but continuous arty and TD rounds hailing all around you, and the middle is too cramped to really do anything. It is far from the worst map they have, however.
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Sep 2, 2015 20:35
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Since we are all good players, maybe we actually create a statistical anomaly in every match we play. two tiger p's shooting HE at each other, one eventually wins because he mounted the 105mm thinking bigger was better
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Sep 2, 2015 20:36
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Prav posted:please don't post lies on the internet, no one has ever enjoyed abbey look man when it's rolling with sand river, el halluf, erlenberg, hidden village, redshire, and highway, its not hard to see the good parts of the map.
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Sep 2, 2015 20:37
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Control Volume posted:look man when it's rolling with sand river, el halluf, erlenberg, hidden village, redshire, and highway, its not hard to see the good parts of the map. honestly, except for hidden village i'd take all of those over current abbey. even highway and el halluf.
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Sep 2, 2015 20:39
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Prav posted:honestly, i'd take all of those over current abbey except hidden village. even highway and el halluf. your head is broken and you should see a doctor about it
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Sep 2, 2015 20:39
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WayAbvPar posted:It looks great. So replace Ruinberg with it and don't feed me the EXACT SAME GAMEPLAY and call it two maps. West on Abbey is fine because it is two lanes that support eachother and 2 line can help center. Center can shoot into 2 line and east - if 6 line could more easily climb into abbey that would be much better. If the east river was instead dry with a sharp overhang to protect flankers, the map would be pretty good. Also if people knew not to try to CAPFAST that would be great.
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Control Volume posted:your head is broken and you should see a doctor about it i'm not the one saying
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Hellsau posted:West on Abbey is fine because it is two lanes that support eachother and 2 line can help center. Center can shoot into 2 line and east - if 6 line could more easily climb into abbey that would be much better. If the east river was instead dry with a sharp overhang to protect flankers, the map would be pretty good. Also if people knew not to try to CAPFAST that would be great. Agreed on all points. With some tweaks it could be a much better map. Maybe they will coat it in snow.
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Sep 2, 2015 20:43
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WoT needs a Counter-Strike box.dm map
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Sep 2, 2015 20:47
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Prav posted:WoT needs de_rats
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Prav posted:honestly, except for hidden village i'd take all of those over current abbey. even highway and el halluf. Agree. Abbey is by far the worst map in the game right now. Mines is also garbage and has always been garbage. The rest are at least playable, some of them are just more obnoxious than others.
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McGavin posted:Wrong. English does this all the time. It's why we say things like "nuclei" and "fungi" but also "syllabuses" and "hippopotamuses". English is a living language and its rules are continuously evolving depending on how people are actually using it. Lol wrong, those are terrible examples. Hippopotamus is from ancient Greek to Latin to English, and the Latin plural is Hippopotami. I've never even heard "syllabuses;" every instructor I've known has said "syllabi." Part of this all may have to do with us being from different regions, but again, you can say whatever the gently caress you want and still be wrong. There's a difference between a living language and components lifted directly from another language. You can totally modify your language, but that doesn't change the rules of the other language. If you're speaking English with unmodified (i.e. not English derivatives) foreign words, you're technically speaking both languages. That's the point; if you're speaking something from a second language, and someone recognizes that you've made a mistake in terms of style, spelling, inflection, conjugation, etc., you shouldn't be offended when they correct you. I hope this has cleared up the misunderstanding; in the future, however, please keep your posts on-topic. Hellsau posted:West on Abbey is fine because it is two lanes that support eachother and 2 line can help center. Center can shoot into 2 line and east - if 6 line could more easily climb into abbey that would be much better. If the east river was instead dry with a sharp overhang to protect flankers, the map would be pretty good. Also if people knew not to try to CAPFAST that would be great. When you put it like that it sounds like a mirror-image Lakeville; one side is worthless and easily defended, the opposite side is the important part, and the middle supports. In the end, for some maps the problem is the players and not the maps themselves. Usually Wargaming is the problem though.
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TheFluff posted:Agree. Abbey is by far the worst map in the game right now *begins pointing furiously at hidden village again*
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also mines would be good if arty didnt exist and also if you werent hilariously hosed if you had less mediums.
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Atomizer posted:In the end, for some maps the problem is the players and not the maps themselves. Usually Wargaming is the problem though. playing lakeville correctly doesn't make it a good map. poo poo, i'd go so far as to say it makes it worse. it does mean that you have a better chance of winning though
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In other news, Wargaming's history team is in Sweden again and we met today at the national military vehicle museum - Arsenalen - for a trip to an obscure garage where they keep the poo poo that's too nerdy to show to regular people. Yuri Pasholok (left) and head of Arsenalen, Stefan Karlsson. In the background, strv m/38.  Entering the treasure trove...  The Kranvagn/project EMIL, a Swedish AMX 50 analogue. The turret was never completed and only the hull survives.  Some weirdo test rigs and experimental vehicles. On the right is an S-tank rigged up for remote control (with the hilariously witty name "no hands").  russians.jpg (Dmitriy Shein, research boss)  Leopard prototype and more Russians.
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Control Volume posted:*begins pointing furiously at hidden village again* it's gone now so it can't hurt you anymore
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TheFluff posted:it's gone now so it can't hurt you anymore okay fine im going to start pointing to el halluf instead, because its a useless trash map where the only viable place to go is a lovely slog
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Control Volume posted:okay fine im going to start pointing to el halluf instead, because its a useless trash map where the only viable place to go is a lovely slog There's always that village on the hill at F/6.
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domination with your own tanks is pretty good exp if you've got a couple of tier 9's you want to grind up. Getting over 2k exp split between two tanks for a win and over 1k on a loss, making credits every game too. Think I'm gonna use it to power the last 50k I need for the Obj 140.
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Control Volume posted:okay fine im going to start pointing to el halluf instead, because its a useless trash map where the only viable place to go is a lovely slog That lovely slog used to be a lot worse, though. There was ONE corner to fight at, and that was it. Now there are 3-4. The big problem still remains, however- it is suicidal and tactically useless to be anywhere near the middle of the map. If they made it less of a deathtrap and gave it more access to the bases, it would balance the whole map a lot better.
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