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Chewbacca Defense posted:Interesting. I don't dispute that the USAF's other missions are important. All the pieces matter. I don't know as much about the F-35, but isn't also far inferior to the F-22 for Air-to-Air missions? My beef I guess is with the themes that projects have in the US. "Let's have one system that can do everything alright but nothing great," seems to be what we do. I'm not in the best position to judge, maybe it is better. But to me it seems better to have a tool for each purpose. I agree 100%. I understand there's a lot of time, money, and effort to be saved by avoiding the duplication of effort. I actually like the F-35A as an F-16 replacement and the F-35C as the "high" end of the Navy's high/low mix. What I don't agree with is the F-35A replacing the A-10 or the F-35B existing at all. And yes, the F-22 is going to be superior in aerial combat. quote:They kinda have that with training pilots as FAC(A)s. Some F-16 pilots for example are trained to control CAS in this manner. Sandy (CSAR) qualification is a similar thing. But those pilots aren't dedicated to that mission, they're selected because (ideally) they can handle the addition qualifications and training, then they're available if necessary. Chewbacca Defense posted:OK, but are we saying that this hypothetical A-10 adverse environment is just MANPADS? If other systems are added than flying high doesn't help and then what do you have? Yea, you can have a B1B do CAS, but is that system more survivable than an A-10 in a heavy AA environment? I think not. This is an important point. Too many people are allowing events of the past decade to influence their opinions and decisions on the future of American warfare. Like I said earlier, we've been spoiled by fighting in shithole nations that don't have any aircraft or surface to air threats to speak of. But that's considered normal. So that's the kind of fight that's being funded and purchased for. That's the fight that got us 187 F-22s instead of the minimum 381 to take over for the 800 retiring F-15s (which will not be retiring, now). That's the fight that makes people forget that in a WWIII scenario we were expected to lose EVERY SINGLE A-10 in the opening two to three weeks. MANPADS are ubiquitous at this point. They're everywhere. And everything that flies under Altitude X is going to be threatened by them whether it's an A-10 or an F-35. But since the military doesn't like to plan on the best case scenario, you HAVE to assume that there are other threats. And they get much MUCH more dangerous the higher you go. And let's not forget, CAS isn't really a mission that lends itself to an F-35 hanging out with internal stores only. They're going to have tanks and external ordnance, and they're going to look just like an A-10 or F-16 to SAM operators. Godholio fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Sep 1, 2015 |
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Chewbacca Defense posted:OK, but are we saying that this hypothetical A-10 adverse environment is just MANPADS? If other systems are added than flying high doesn't help and then what do you have? Yea, you can have a B1B do CAS, but is that system more survivable than an A-10 in a heavy AA environment? I think not. This is kind of splitting hairs, but yes it is. B-1s can do some really cool impressively long range precision drops just from being high and fast enough to send a bomb farther downrange than some tactical radar ADA systems can shoot and still have time to drag to defend. The B-1 is also better equipped to root out and detect IADS threats to avoid entering the engagement envelope in the first place.
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The aerial equivalent of Band Of Brothers and The Pacific aka The Mighty Eigth has been given a $500 Mil budget "OK" https://m.thevintagenews.com/2015/08/29/hbos-the-mighty-eighth-an-update-its-getting-close-500-million-budget/
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In other news, I now have to buy new pants 
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Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about that - but does this mean in 2020 they'll start working on a Pacific Theater show about the USN v. IJN? I would kill to see the HBO wizards do Pearl Harbor, Doolittle, and Midway.
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Bunch of Sukhoi porn up on EnglishRussia: http://englishrussia.com/2015/09/01/russian-su-jets-on-maks-2015-air-show/
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Shooting Blanks posted:Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about that - but does this mean in 2020 they'll start working on a Pacific Theater show about the USN v. IJN? I would kill to see the HBO wizards do Pearl Harbor, Doolittle, and Midway. Toss in the various naval battles in the Slot/Ironbottom Sound and I'm sold. Maybe add a PT-109 episode for ratings.
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Yeah cuz the GoT crowd gives a gently caress about JFK.
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Leather Bear posted:Hey so who writes Clancy fiction without being weird or terrible? I seem to recall a great 'airport fiction' thread on SA somewhere a couple years back, not sure if it still exists.
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inkjet_lakes posted:I seem to recall a great 'airport fiction' thread on SA somewhere a couple years back, not sure if it still exists. It has probably slipped into archives by now. Been a long time since I saw any posts in it.
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Cooked Auto posted:It has probably slipped into archives by now. Been a long time since I saw any posts in it. The book barn moves slowly: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3282164
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The Royal Navy has been discussing its future in some detail. It is kinda cool I guess.
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A crew of 50 sounds great until you start thinking about things like raging fire and damage.
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Godholio posted:A crew of 50 sounds great until you start thinking about things like raging fire and damage. It's like razor blades, when it breaks you throw it away and get a new one
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This is mesmerizing http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f0f_1441136271
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LingcodKilla posted:loving awesome. I guess the teaser/trailer for The Mighty Eighth has been out for two years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBy_FIlcOJs
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To no one's great surprise that West Point guy who was something of a retard has been ridden out of town on a rail. How in the hell did he get hired in the first place?
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quote:"I would suggest that the best approach to the problem I outline is competition in the marketplace of ideas," he said. Before or after having the competition put away for treason? 
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Sperglord Actual posted:Before or after having the competition put away for treason? Yeah, exactly. That guy's an idiot. "Oh no my extremist bullshit didn't go over well uhhhh uhhhh actually different ideas are good don't tread on me despite the fact that I want to waterboard everyone who disagrees with me"
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F16's scrambled over international incident http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/08/31/international-model-remains-in-custody-after-taking-comfort-cat-aboard-flight/
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Davin Valkri posted:What do you gain from declaring "aircraft is ready to fight" early? Is the intent to have F-35s on standby to rush to trouble spots, or to have aircraft ready "on paper" so congressional hawks will be quiet, or something else? You know how when you're at a drive-thru and they ask you to 'drive up to the front and wait?' They declare your order 'complete' as soon as you acquiesce, keeping their 'average serving time' down, then take their sweet time getting your food to you because you agreed to do it. It's the same principle, only without Congressional oversight for missing deadlines as Godholio mentioned.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:You know how when you're at a drive-thru and they ask you to 'drive up to the front and wait?' They declare your order 'complete' as soon as you acquiesce, keeping their 'average serving time' down, then take their sweet time getting your food to you because you agreed to do it. It's the same principle, only without Congressional oversight for missing deadlines as Godholio mentioned. Back when I used to eat way too much fast food, I used to frequent any of a group of them situated in a whole row on one street. Each had drive thru lines that were adjacent to the alley down the center of the block. If any of them took too long customers could simply just drive away. Eventually they put in curbs to stop this. Seriously, they made more effort to hold customers captive and spent more money to do it than to just improve their service and employees. Since our town is full of trucks the curbs have many well worn path marks where people simply 4wheel over them.
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bewbies posted:To no one's great surprise that West Point guy who was something of a retard has been ridden out of town on a rail. Usajobs. I'm not joking.
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B4Ctom1 posted:F16's scrambled over international incident This is why cat owners are Bad People.
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B4Ctom1 posted:This is mesmerizing Saudis as rich as gently caress, but at least some of them have cool hobbies, like those RC pilots. Or these dudes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_fbI90rrE8 Beats sponsoring a minor league terrorist group or driving around stupid Lamborghinis.
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Cat Hatter posted:Bunch of Sukhoi porn up on EnglishRussia: Oh my god I am fully torqued.
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Suicide Watch posted:Saudis as rich as gently caress, but at least some of them have cool hobbies, like those RC pilots. Or these dudes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_fbI90rrE8 I have been to saudi arabia. Lots of great people. But if I had to live like that, I would put on my best vest and hit the town.
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I'll just leave this here: http://kotaku.com/and-now-for-some-chinese-war-pornography-1728425543 I'm a particular fan of the conventional ballistic missile strike on the not-us-battle-fleet.
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Murgos posted:I'll just leave this here: I think my favorite part would be the enemy apparently first strike'd by hitting one transport plane on some random runway, and then just bent over waiting for the Chinese response. Or you know the apparently melee kill by a submarine that's noted to be as quiet as the Russians in the early 80s. Mazz fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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So is that the invasion of Japan or Taiwan?
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Astronautix just released a fairly extensive writeup on the Pye Wacket, a concept for a lenticular self defense missile for the Valkyrie. http://www.astronautix.com/craft/pyeacket.htm
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Murgos posted:I'll just leave this here: Tu-16s launching cruise missiles? Were they attacking the Enterprise?
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That's actually probably a reasonable representation of what a full volume modern ballistic missile attack would look like.
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Mazz posted:I think my favorite part would be the enemy apparently first strike'd by hitting one transport plane on some random runway, and then just bent over waiting for the Chinese response. Mine was the part where China had amphibious assault capabilities. Also what looked like a completely unopposed landing.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Mine was the part where China had amphibious assault capabilities. Also what looked like a completely unopposed landing. I liked the not-June 7th shot of the not-Normandy beachhead, where everything wasn't on fire due to repeated cluster bombings.
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Raptor status: Wrecked  This new Wargame: Island Retaking Battle is looking pretty sweet! (stupid name though)
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bewbies posted:That's actually probably a reasonable representation of what a full volume modern ballistic missile attack would look like. Oh sure. Except spread the surface fleet out over about 1000-2500 more square miles and have them move a considerable distance between when the target data is acquired and the arrival of the reentry bodies. I also have my doubts about 1) the ability of those missiles to deliver their payloads to within +/- 10 miles of the original target location (much less it's new location) and 2) IF a warhead is released at a point where a target intercept is even feasible that they can maneuver well enough to strike a moving target ~75m wide (at best). Ballistic trajectories are easy. Ballistic accuracy for sub-orbital rockets going at high multiples of Mach that are un-powered on decent? Not so much. Almost infinitesimal amounts of error in your measurements of velocity, altitude, angle, starting position and etc... can lead to enormous errors on the decent. There is a reason that China is the one and only country to claim to have long range Anti-Ship Ballistic Missiles with conventional warheads. No one else has been stupid enough to build them. Murgos fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Murgos posted:Oh sure. Except spread the surface fleet out over about 1000-2500 more square miles and have them move a considerable distance between when the target data is acquired and the arrival of the reentry bodies. I'd suggest....your knowledge on this topic is a little dated. The Navy and MSIC disagree, at least. Accuracy for this kind of system is of course heavily dependent on very high quality real time ISR and subsequent datalink to the missile, but ostensibly at least these capabilities have been fielded.
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