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Heroic Yoshimitsu: Jan 15, 2008

I hope Beerus makes an offhand remark about "that big saiyan guy who also blows up planets, and is very cool" in Super so that Broly becomes canon.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 03:42

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 00:45

Sea Lily: Aug 5, 2007; Everything changes, Pit.
Even gods.

Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:

I hope Beerus makes an offhand remark about "that big saiyan guy who also blows up planets, and is very cool" in Super so that Broly becomes canon.

he will, but he's actually referring to Bardock who has slowly grown larger over the ages until became a galactus type figure. and also is super saiyan god super saiyan 4

# ? Sep 3, 2015 03:45

Blaze Dragon: Aug 28, 2013; LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Mraagvpeine posted:

I read somewhere that SSG Goku was a 6 to Beerus's (full) 10. Do you suppose SSGSS Goku and Vegeta are 8 each?

It was Toriyama's own comparisons IIRC. God Goku's a 6, Beerus is a 10 and Whis a 15. Therefore, mathematically, SSGSS Goku and Vegeta being 8s would be sort of illogical, since then together they're a 16, even higher than Whis. Whis says that together they MAY defeat Beerus, and if he considers it only a possibility, then there's no way in hell they're even close to him.

Also it's a comparison that only makes sense in context. Anyways, by Goku's own estimate, in his SSGSS form he's stronger than Beerus at 70%, who was stronger than Goku in his God form. He's still below Beerus at 100%.

A rough diagram of powers by Resurrection F would be, I think...

Whis > Beerus (100%) = SSGSS Goku and Vegeta together (possibly) > Golden Freeza > SSGSS Goku/Vegeta > Saiyan Beyond God Goku/Vegeta > Freeza (Final Form) > Gohan > Piccolo > every living being beyond those > Yamcha.

It's likely that Vegetto if he were to be formed now (as a SSGSS) would be even stronger than Beerus. Which sounds awesome, too bad it's unlikely to happen.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 03:46

Rohan Kishibe: Oct 29, 2011; Frankly, I don't like you
and I never have.

That's a nice dream and all, but your sentence doesn't actually sound like it's talking about Broly??

# ? Sep 3, 2015 03:46

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Broly is gonna try and beat evil bills up, fail, and then come to earth to teamup with Goku and Vegeta. They will then fuse to form SSGSS Vegittoly.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 03:54

Spiritus Nox: Sep 2, 2011

...What is a Saiyan Beyond God? I assume you're not referring to Super Cyan. Is that just what we're calling base RoF Goku and Vegeta?

# ? Sep 3, 2015 03:54

Fuego Fish: Dec 5, 2004; By tooth and claw!

Spiritus Nox posted:

...What is a Saiyan Beyond God? I assume you're not referring to Super Cyan. Is that just what we're calling base RoF Goku and Vegeta?

When you've become a Super Saiyan God, your body "remembers" the power and it sort of unlocks your potential. Lingering traces of the divine, or what have you.

Also all the fusion talk has actually made me realise that in Parallels, rules as written, there's no technical limit to fusion. The only limit is that a character can only fuse once per fight, but technically a fused character hasn't performed the fusion, they're just the end result.

When two characters fuse, their fusion knows all their combined moves. So if everyone in a four-person group knows the fusion technique, then their two fusions will know it, and be able to perform it, thus being able to create a potential singular super-character controlled by the entire group.

I'm going to go ahead and say that's not a bug, that's a feature :v:

# ? Sep 3, 2015 04:06

Spiritus Nox: Sep 2, 2011

Fuego Fish posted:

When you've become a Super Saiyan God, your body "remembers" the power and it sort of unlocks your potential. Lingering traces of the divine, or what have you.

...So, yes, we're talking about base form post BoG.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 04:08

Rohan Kishibe: Oct 29, 2011; Frankly, I don't like you
and I never have.

Fuego Fish posted:

When you've become a Super Saiyan God, your body "remembers" the power and it sort of unlocks your potential. Lingering traces of the divine, or what have you.

I don't think that's an inherent thing. Beerus seemed surprised that Goku managed that, since he's such a badass.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 04:09

Blaze Dragon: Aug 28, 2013; LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Spiritus Nox posted:

...So, yes, we're talking about base form post BoG.

Yeah. It's such a power spike that it gets a name all of its own (and is apparently counted as a form in Heroes). But by all means it is just base Goku and Vegeta post-mastering their God powers.

It is a ridiculous power spike though. Base Goku is able to easily beat Final Form Freeza, despite the latter having gone through four months of training. This makes him, at base, far stronger than he was as a Super Saiyan, and likely even stronger than he was at any Super Saiyan stage except maybe God. And he can still turn Super Saiyan from it, to become Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.

God Ki's kind of broken, is what I'm trying to say. And even with it Beerus is still higher, not to mention Whis. The power scale got even more insane thanks to Battle of Gods.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 04:11

Blockhouse: Sep 7, 2014; You Win!

for those who missed the last time it came up in the thread broly's creator got salty over beerus being more powerful than broly but not being as "scary" ie. giant block of muscles

also he's in some kind of weird cult and that entire first broly movie is basically about that

# ? Sep 3, 2015 04:15

Sea Lily: Aug 5, 2007; Everything changes, Pit.
Even gods.

i want mr buu to absorb broly

# ? Sep 3, 2015 04:20

Heroic Yoshimitsu: Jan 15, 2008

Broly's creator is a genius

# ? Sep 3, 2015 04:22

Shinjobi: Jul 10, 2008; Gravy Boat 2k

Blockhouse posted:

for those who missed the last time it came up in the thread broly's creator got salty over beerus being more powerful than broly but not being as "scary" ie. giant block of muscles

also he's in some kind of weird cult and that entire first broly movie is basically about that

Broly is stupid and boring and the posterchild for everything wrong with dbz

More muscles, more evil, more anger, more better :downs:

# ? Sep 3, 2015 04:22

BornAPoorBlkChild: Sep 24, 2012

Blaze Dragon posted:

It was Toriyama's own comparisons IIRC. God Goku's a 6, Beerus is a 10 and Whis a 15. Therefore, mathematically, SSGSS Goku and Vegeta being 8s would be sort of illogical, since then together they're a 16, even higher than Whis. Whis says that together they MAY defeat Beerus, and if he considers it only a possibility, then there's no way in hell they're even close to him.

Also it's a comparison that only makes sense in context. Anyways, by Goku's own estimate, in his SSGSS form he's stronger than Beerus at 70%, who was stronger than Goku in his God form. He's still below Beerus at 100%.

A rough diagram of powers by Resurrection F would be, I think...

Whis > Beerus (100%) = SSGSS Goku and Vegeta together (possibly) > Golden Freeza > SSGSS Goku/Vegeta > Saiyan Beyond God Goku/Vegeta > Freeza (Final Form) > Gohan > Piccolo > every living being beyond those > Yamcha.

It's likely that Vegetto if he were to be formed now (as a SSGSS) would be even stronger than Beerus. Which sounds awesome, too bad it's unlikely to happen.

yep this is a dragonball thread

# ? Sep 3, 2015 04:25

Xad: Jul 2, 2009; "Either Sonic is God, or could kill God, and I do not care if there is a difference!"; College Slice

Fuego Fish posted:

Also all the fusion talk has actually made me realise that in Parallels, rules as written, there's no technical limit to fusion...thus being able to create a potential singular super-character controlled by the entire group.

I'm going to go ahead and say that's not a bug, that's a feature

This game is going to be wonderful.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 04:47

StrifeHira: Nov 7, 2012; I'll remind you that I have a very large stick.

Fuego Fish posted:

When you've become a Super Saiyan God, your body "remembers" the power and it sort of unlocks your potential. Lingering traces of the divine, or what have you.

Also all the fusion talk has actually made me realise that in Parallels, rules as written, there's no technical limit to fusion. The only limit is that a character can only fuse once per fight, but technically a fused character hasn't performed the fusion, they're just the end result.

When two characters fuse, their fusion knows all their combined moves. So if everyone in a four-person group knows the fusion technique, then their two fusions will know it, and be able to perform it, thus being able to create a potential singular super-character controlled by the entire group.

I'm going to go ahead and say that's not a bug, that's a feature

Will the DMNarrator be required to give some sort of awesome, Super Robot-esque introduction to this monstrosity of GATTAI? :allears:

# ? Sep 3, 2015 05:09

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

Mogomra posted:

But I wanna know how strong Krillin is in say The Cell Saga, compared to Krillin in the beginning of Dragon Ball. This is important. (no it's not)

Cell Saga Krillin could raze multiple planets.

DBZ Krillin had trouble with a big rock.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 05:16

Some Numbers: Sep 28, 2006; "LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

Fuego Fish posted:

When you've become a Super Saiyan God, your body "remembers" the power and it sort of unlocks your potential. Lingering traces of the divine, or what have you.

Also all the fusion talk has actually made me realise that in Parallels, rules as written, there's no technical limit to fusion. The only limit is that a character can only fuse once per fight, but technically a fused character hasn't performed the fusion, they're just the end result.

When two characters fuse, their fusion knows all their combined moves. So if everyone in a four-person group knows the fusion technique, then their two fusions will know it, and be able to perform it, thus being able to create a potential singular super-character controlled by the entire group.

I'm going to go ahead and say that's not a bug, that's a feature

When does your playtest happen again?

# ? Sep 3, 2015 06:59

Pureauthor: Jul 8, 2010; ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST

Shinjobi posted:

Broly is stupid and boring and the posterchild for everything wrong with dbz

More muscles, more evil, more anger, more better

Broly is basically a parody of what people who don't watch/read DBZ think DBZ is like, except played straight.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 07:06

Elfgames: Sep 11, 2011; Fun Shoe

Fuego Fish posted:

When you've become a Super Saiyan God, your body "remembers" the power and it sort of unlocks your potential. Lingering traces of the divine, or what have you.

Also all the fusion talk has actually made me realise that in Parallels, rules as written, there's no technical limit to fusion. The only limit is that a character can only fuse once per fight, but technically a fused character hasn't performed the fusion, they're just the end result.

When two characters fuse, their fusion knows all their combined moves. So if everyone in a four-person group knows the fusion technique, then their two fusions will know it, and be able to perform it, thus being able to create a potential singular super-character controlled by the entire group.

I'm going to go ahead and say that's not a bug, that's a feature

I was going to make a joke that fusion should always wear out just before the fused character is going to give the final blow but then i remembered jenemba so it's not a constant.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 07:59

Ryaomon: Mar 19, 2007; Ask me about being a racist piece of shit with a racist gimmick

Whenever Broly isn't on screen, everyone else should be asking "Where's Broly?"

# ? Sep 3, 2015 09:14

sharktamer: Oct 30, 2011; Shark tamer ridiculous

ImpAtom posted:

Goku > Vegeta > everyone else who is worthless and sucks and will never do anything useful again > Yamcha.

Blaze Dragon posted:

Whis > Beerus (100%) = SSGSS Goku and Vegeta together (possibly) > Golden Freeza > SSGSS Goku/Vegeta > Saiyan Beyond God Goku/Vegeta > Freeza (Final Form) > Gohan > Piccolo > every living being beyond those > Yamcha.

sharktamer fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Sep 3, 2015

# ? Sep 3, 2015 09:36

Kild: Apr 24, 2010

Fuego Fish posted:

When you've become a Super Saiyan God, your body "remembers" the power and it sort of unlocks your potential. Lingering traces of the divine, or what have you.

Also all the fusion talk has actually made me realise that in Parallels, rules as written, there's no technical limit to fusion. The only limit is that a character can only fuse once per fight, but technically a fused character hasn't performed the fusion, they're just the end result.

When two characters fuse, their fusion knows all their combined moves. So if everyone in a four-person group knows the fusion technique, then their two fusions will know it, and be able to perform it, thus being able to create a potential singular super-character controlled by the entire group.

I'm going to go ahead and say that's not a bug, that's a feature

You should make it so the players of a fused character have to say their actions all at the same time to mimic the fusion voice.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 10:17

Mraagvpeine: Nov 4, 2014; I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.

Blaze Dragon posted:

It was Toriyama's own comparisons IIRC. God Goku's a 6, Beerus is a 10 and Whis a 15. Therefore, mathematically, SSGSS Goku and Vegeta being 8s would be sort of illogical, since then together they're a 16, even higher than Whis. Whis says that together they MAY defeat Beerus, and if he considers it only a possibility, then there's no way in hell they're even close to him.

That 16 would happen from fusing together, not from fighting together.

quote:

Also it's a comparison that only makes sense in context. Anyways, by Goku's own estimate, in his SSGSS form he's stronger than Beerus at 70%, who was stronger than Goku in his God form. He's still below Beerus at 100%.

And I think 8 is an appropriate comparison based on this.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 14:43

Fuego Fish: Dec 5, 2004; By tooth and claw!

Xad posted:

This game is going to be wonderful.

It's honest reactions like this which make me feel like making this game is the best thing I've done all year. It's not like my books are getting this much attention.

StrifeHira posted:

Will the DMNarrator be required to give some sort of awesome, Super Robot-esque introduction to this monstrosity of GATTAI?

Required? No, but no Narrator worth their salt is gonna pass up the chance to do that.

Some Numbers posted:

When does your playtest happen again?

Probably next week at this rate, but maybe this Sunday evening at the earliest? Keep in mind I'm on UK time here, not US, so my evening would be your afternoon.

The design notes are more-or-less complete with the basics right now, except I haven't put in a few details like how beam battles work. But the character design stuff is basically almost complete (I might add a few extra martial arts moves) if anyone wants to put together a character.

The martial arts moves are a bit odd, honestly, because I've had a few ideas on possible changes (including stuff like "master-level" variations, separating them out by rarity, etc.) but I don't want to do any of them until I see how it plays currently. No point in making anything more complex than it needs to be for the first time out.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 14:59

Rigged Death Trap: Feb 13, 2012; BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Make sure there is no upper limit to fusion.

And make the power boost exponential.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 19:55

Fuego Fish: Dec 5, 2004; By tooth and claw!

Hard to have a flat bonus to fusion, since too many bonuses gets complicated, but any fused character will be (in theory) stronger than the originals by reason of having access to all the top attributes, all the per-playbook benefits, and all the shared martial arts moves.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 20:25

Pyroi: Aug 17, 2013; gay elf noises

They also have to describe the fusion whenever they fuse, so that we know just how horrifying the gestalt entity is.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 20:34

Emong: May 31, 2011; perpair to be annihilated

The last time I looked at the DB Parallels rules I realized a Majin could split in two and then fuse with two different people.

And then those could fuse together.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 20:54

Rohan Kishibe: Oct 29, 2011; Frankly, I don't like you
and I never have.

Fuego Fish posted:

Probably next week at this rate, but maybe this Sunday evening at the earliest? Keep in mind I'm on UK time here, not US, so my evening would be your afternoon.

You're seriously making me consider cancelling my hot date on Sunday, man.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 21:48

Fuego Fish: Dec 5, 2004; By tooth and claw!

Emong posted:

The last time I looked at the DB Parallels rules I realized a Majin could split in two and then fuse with two different people.

And then those could fuse together.

Yeah this is 100% accurate and, frankly, working as intended.

Prison Warden posted:

You're seriously making me consider cancelling my hot date on Sunday, man.

Oh no! Well, there'll probably be another couple during the week.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 22:03

KoB: May 1, 2009

Pyroi posted:

They also have to describe the fusion whenever they fuse, so that we know just how horrifying the gestalt entity is.

They should have to do the fusion dance IRL and if its not right they turn into a fat version.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 22:20

Fuego Fish: Dec 5, 2004; By tooth and claw!

KoB posted:

They should have to do the fusion dance IRL and if its not right they turn into a fat version.

I would be willing to put in a rule that says you get +1 ongoing the entire time you're fused if you do a fusion dance IRL and the Narrator deems it to be good enough. The game needs more mechanics like that, and the Spirit Bomb one.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 22:36

Kinu Nishimura: Apr 24, 2008; SICK LOOT!

If you can come up with a distinctive signature shout for your super special move like "KA... ME... HA... ME... HAAAAAA" or "Wolf Fang ^FIST" then you should get bonuses.

# ? Sep 3, 2015 22:40

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

Blaze Dragon posted:

It was Toriyama's own comparisons IIRC. God Goku's a 6, Beerus is a 10 and Whis a 15. Therefore, mathematically, SSGSS Goku and Vegeta being 8s would be sort of illogical, since then together they're a 16, even higher than Whis. Whis says that together they MAY defeat Beerus, and if he considers it only a possibility, then there's no way in hell they're even close to him.

Also it's a comparison that only makes sense in context. Anyways, by Goku's own estimate, in his SSGSS form he's stronger than Beerus at 70%, who was stronger than Goku in his God form. He's still below Beerus at 100%.

A rough diagram of powers by Resurrection F would be, I think...

Whis > Beerus (100%) = SSGSS Goku and Vegeta together (possibly) > Golden Freeza > SSGSS Goku/Vegeta > Saiyan Beyond God Goku/Vegeta > Freeza (Final Form) > Gohan > Piccolo > every living being beyond those > Yamcha.

It's likely that Vegetto if he were to be formed now (as a SSGSS) would be even stronger than Beerus. Which sounds awesome, too bad it's unlikely to happen.

it's a logarithmic scale

# ? Sep 3, 2015 22:56