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Warframe builder got updated. Crit build V Hek confirmed 99.9k dps, more with Primed Ravage.
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Sep 3, 2015 22:29
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Nalesh posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqtVoftMH_o and it already wasn't worth using.
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Sep 3, 2015 22:38
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Normal, blast-modded Hek wins on sheer damage, but you do lose out on the punch through.
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Sep 3, 2015 22:41
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4-shot, 1.3s reload Blast Sancti Tigris.  edit: For some reason the link doesn't save all the formas.. the point blank and seeking fury slots should obviously be formaed. Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Sep 3, 2015 22:43
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Collateral Damage posted:4-shot, 1.3s reload Blast Sancti Tigris. Is the Blast just there for sweet ragdolls? I thought it was considered pretty bad as far as damage types go.
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Sep 3, 2015 22:50
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Rainuwastaken posted:Is the Blast just there for sweet ragdolls? Also blast isn't really that bad, it doesn't have any huge penalties but it doesn't have any bonuses either except vs Ancients. Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Sep 3, 2015 22:59
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Shalhavet posted:Normal, blast-modded Hek wins on sheer damage, but you do lose out on the punch through. Non punchthrough always wins on paper, but never in practice.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgs9OhjAE2g Nalesh fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Sep 3, 2015 23:20
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I'm gonna go ahead and think of this thing as the Grineer equivalent of those little Binding of Isaac fetus ghost followers.
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Sep 4, 2015 00:11
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Diriga is a drifloon and i wont hear anything else.
Spooky Bear Ghost fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Sep 4, 2015 |
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Sep 4, 2015 00:20
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Am I crazy, or does the new Cernos blow the Dread out of the water? http://goo.gl/HP147x
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Sep 4, 2015 00:47
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Spooky Bear Ghost posted:Diriga is a drifloon and i wont hear anything else. If you let a Houndoom chew on it for a while and let it get all melty, maybe. 
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Sep 4, 2015 00:59
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I finally tried out the auro-upgrading feature and it's nice, I guess, to know I was modding this as optimally as the game thinks I should. Except it keep wanting to put Steel Fiber on everything. Bitch, I play Nyx, what good is 17 armor going to do me?? Instead I can slot vitality and have a shot of surviving when my shields get lasered from across the room.
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Sep 4, 2015 00:59
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That thing is useless, IIRC it just picks the stuff with highest conclave values.
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Sep 4, 2015 01:49
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Cryophage posted:Am I crazy, or does the new Cernos blow the Dread out of the water? Sub-100% crit rate, not worth using. Here's the issue: as a bow, it's a weapon that relies on accurate, relatively slow single shots. Yes, I see that third-of-a-second charge rate, but the arrow travel time makes spamming unfeasible except at close range, plus it's not a true semi-auto trigger no matter how fast it charges. So, given that single shots matter, what does the unreliability of the crit chance do to it? Any time you don't get a crit, you're doing less than a fifth of your optimal damage with that arrow. Sure, you stand a good chance of at least one of your two multishotted arrows critting, but that's something like a 24% chance of at least one of them not critting and doing poo poo damage. Also, since rifle multishot doesn't go to 100%, you stand a very small chance of only getting one arrow and it not critting. The same rationale applied to the concept of sniper weapons also applies to bows: in this game, no matter how much damage a weapon like this does, you're going to be lagging way behind the guys who mow down whole crowds at once with automatics and punch-through shotguns, what redeems this class of weapon is the ability to reliably oneshot dangerous enemies like heavies. Granted, thanks to the charge speed on this thing failing to oneshot a heavy isn't that much of a practical issue, since you can just draw again in no time. But it is a 'feel' issue- on hitscan automatics, an unreliable crit chance makes very little difference to the weapon's handling, because the volume of fire immediately smooths things out into a statistically average damage over time. With this bow, you're going to notice if it shoots a dud. I guess what I'm saying is, it may be fine for anyone who's willing to put up with bullshit for the sake of statistically higher damage on average, but I'm not that big of a optimal-sperg myself and I wouldn't really recommend it as a good-feeling weapon. Cathair fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Sep 4, 2015 |
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Sep 4, 2015 02:04
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Kyte posted:That thing is useless, IIRC it just picks the stuff with highest conclave values. In my experience it felt like it was picking the stuff I slotted most on other frames/weapons/etc. Either way, it's still slotting mods with no regard for what they actually do, so it's useless.
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Sep 4, 2015 02:05
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Cryophage posted:Am I crazy, or does the new Cernos blow the Dread out of the water? Also it's not like you're going to spam arrows nonestop as it takes time to aim anyway.
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Sep 4, 2015 02:07
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YellerBill posted:it's useless. Yeah, the mod autopicker can make some outright insane choices, especially when you've got a full array of mods to choose from. If it's picking the same things as you, this may not actually be a vindication of your choices. 
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Sep 4, 2015 02:11
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Goddammit DE now is not the time to release new weapons. 
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Sep 4, 2015 02:13
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Aesis posted:Also it's not like you're going to spam arrows nonestop as it takes time to aim anyway. Actually I do spam arrows nonstop without aiming so it's perfect for me  Cathair posted:Yeah, the mod autopicker can make some outright insane choices, especially when you've got a full array of mods to choose from. If it's picking the same things as you, this may not actually be a vindication of your choices. The autopicker picking the same things I do is a good thing on most frames because that gets me Redirection/Vitality/Streamline/etc slotted immediately. Everything else it puts on is nonsense though. edit: for guns the autopicker's just completely insane
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Sep 4, 2015 02:13
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Cathair posted:I guess what I'm saying is, it's a fine weapon for anyone who's willing to put up with bullshit for the sake of statistically higher damage on average, but I'm not that big of a optimal-sperg myself and I wouldn't really recommend it as a good-feeling weapon. Normally I'd agree with you, but for all it's awkwardness this thing is theorycrafting as better than a brakk, without the range limitations. Cathair posted:Here's the issue: as a bow, it's a weapon that relies on accurate, relatively slow single shots. How does it stand as a slower, much stronger Latron that requires you lead your shots? I suppose you're right though; it's not really competing with the Dread.
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Sep 4, 2015 02:18
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Cathair posted:Sub-100% crit rate, not worth using. For what it's worth, you can get guaranteed crits with Critical Delay and still have it charge faster than a Dread, plus the projectile speed seems to be higher.
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Sep 4, 2015 02:18
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Can you get red crits though?
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Sep 4, 2015 02:25
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You can get 104.3% crit chance with both Critical Delay and Point Strike. So yes you can get red crit but you won't see it much. However you're going to sacrifice RoF by 72% E: 0.35 * (1+1.15+ 0.48) Aesis fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Sep 4, 2015 |
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Sep 4, 2015 02:29
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I am actually taking a liking to the synoid simulor, you can create insane moshpits if you put radiation on it. Also I know Gas is kinda poo poo against most things, but tempted to put it on it just for the aoe procs in a sustained aoe moshpit. Nalesh fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Sep 4, 2015 |
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Sep 4, 2015 03:00
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Cryophage posted:Normally I'd agree with you, but for all it's awkwardness this thing is theorycrafting as better than a brakk, without the range limitations. Cryophage posted:How does it stand as a slower, much stronger Latron that requires you lead your shots? Neo_Crimson posted:For what it's worth, you can get guaranteed crits with Critical Delay and still have it charge faster than a Dread, plus the projectile speed seems to be higher. Now this I didn't consider. Since bows suffer twice the penalty from negative fire rate as well as twice the benefit from RoF buffs, I don't think you'll be able to get away with no +fire rate mods. However, a Rakta Cernos with Critical Delay and Speed Trigger is going to be faster than a Dread with Speed Trigger. So I guess you're looking at a faster charge and 25% more base damage than a Dread, plus a syndicate proc, at the cost of one less slot to use for elementals (and no red crits, if that matters to you). Hmm, might be alright. Cathair fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Sep 4, 2015 |
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Sep 4, 2015 03:00
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Well I am sold on the Synoid Simulor. I needed a new project anyway.
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Sep 4, 2015 03:59
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It's so fun, just a warning though, putting split chamber on it might seem like a good idea cause "hey, it will do an aoe attack every time I fire it", but it doesn't for some reason.
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Sep 4, 2015 04:46
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So, anyone get their hands on the new Tigris, Hek or Boltor? how do they compare to the regular Hek and Tigris and really wondering if the Boltor Prime can be beaten?
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Sep 4, 2015 05:02
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Vaykor Hek is superior in DPS, by 10% if you max out Primed Ravage. You give up non-crit damage and the wall-of-projectiles effect, however. Telos Boltor is inferior in dps and the projectile is slower than Boltor Prime. Sancti Tigris is a straight upgrade to the regular Tigris.
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Sep 4, 2015 05:08
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Nalesh posted:It's so fun, just a warning though, putting split chamber on it might seem like a good idea cause "hey, it will do an aoe attack every time I fire it", but it doesn't for some reason. Pretty sure it fires a 2-stack ball with Split Chamber on, instead of firing 2 1-stack balls. Dunno if they fuse up to a 3-stack or a 4-stack ball, though.
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Sep 4, 2015 05:12
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Yeah it fires a 2 stack ball, which means you won't get the aoe from two balls combining.
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Sep 4, 2015 05:12
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Cathair posted:Yeah, the mod autopicker can make some outright insane choices, especially when you've got a full array of mods to choose from. If it's picking the same things as you, this may not actually be a vindication of your choices.  Some of us are working with very limited mods, poopbutt.
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Sep 4, 2015 05:13
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R Cernos Dread Looks like R Cernos with Critical Delay is still better charged or non-charged.
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Sep 4, 2015 05:44
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Why do you have hcal on them? Hcal fucks their accuracy really badly.
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Sep 4, 2015 06:02
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Denzine posted:Why do you have hcal on them? Hcal fucks their accuracy really badly.
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Sep 4, 2015 06:04
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Baro shows up tomorrow. Hopefully he'll have Primed Ravage to go with the V Hek.
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Sep 4, 2015 06:29
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Is the 75% couponing still a thing that's doable or has that pretty much stopped? Trying to figure if i should pick up a bit while I've got a 50 coupon.
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Sep 4, 2015 06:39
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OK here are the bows without Heavy Caliber. R Cernos Dread Look at that damage/dps 
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Sep 4, 2015 06:55
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Aesis posted:OK here are the bows without Heavy Caliber. Why Vile Acceleration? Anyway yes, it's way better than the Dread and Paris Prime with a similar build.
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Sep 4, 2015 08:11
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Neo_Crimson posted:Why Vile Acceleration?
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Sep 4, 2015 08:13
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