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Hardflip posted:yeah kojima dressing up in bandages cost a few million Wasn't the head transplant stuff a publicity stunt? Like I said, I'd rather not have had licensed music or Keifer Sutherland's voice acting if it meant the game was more fleshed out. blackguy32 posted:GTA V also is part of a more popular franchise that made its budget back 3 or 4 times over. $1 billion in revenue is a shitload of money, especially since it made that in 3 days. True enough. Though I read Max Payne 3 actually didn't sell too hot given the large budget it had.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Wasn't the head transplant stuff a publicity stunt? Like I said, I'd rather not have had licensed music or Keifer Sutherland's voice acting if it meant the game was more fleshed out. Every one is denying that the head transplant stuff is for publicity, but it isn't really medical science either since most people in the field are calling him quite crazy and unethical about the procedure.
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TPP's systems layer on each other in a really interesting way and it's thematically linked with the story in a lot of cool ways, calling it feature bloat is silly imo. Feature bloat is when a game is crippled by its need to do too much, MGSV is instead invigorated by it. It's a great loving game, regardless of story missteps.
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Sep 6, 2015 22:53
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cat doter posted:TPP's systems layer on each other in a really interesting way and it's thematically linked with the story in a lot of cool ways, calling it feature bloat is silly imo. Feature bloat is when a game is when a game is crippled by its need to do too much, MGSV is instead invigorated by it. It's a great loving game, regardless of story missteps. I think people are more upset that the game had such a lengthy development and the game pretty much takes a dump during the 2nd half.
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Sep 6, 2015 22:54
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What if Mr Fortitude is actually very happy with the game's story and we've being played like a drat fiddle?
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Sep 6, 2015 22:57
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I'm glad most of the budget went into stuff that you actually play with, instead of most of it going into a massive building falling over in CoD or a bunch of fancy QTEs like Uncharted. D-horse alone probably cost multiple millions.
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Sep 6, 2015 22:58
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blackguy32 posted:I think people are more upset that the game had such a lengthy development and the game pretty much takes a dump during the 2nd half. People forget that the first few years of development were fox engine R&D, the game's last act was cut and left hanging and I sympathise with people being bummed, I mean eli loving stole a metal gear and flies of with psycho mantis and it's not brought up again? What the gently caress. If delaying TPP by 5 months got that last act in it would've been worth it.
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Dandywalken posted:What if Mr Fortitude is actually very happy with the game's story and we've being played like a drat fiddle? You got me. You're pretty good! 
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Sep 6, 2015 23:03
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I think it's just important to put it all in perspective. There are games that cost as much as TPP did that never even make it out of development, or that are completely mediocre. This game did more with $80 million than any other game I can think of. Could the story have been more fleshed out? Yeah, but at the end of the day this is a game and what I want is good gameplay, which this absolutely delivers. I can read a book or watch a movie if I want a good story. This wasn't even a bad story - it just wasn't the story that people were expecting. There are parts missing, and that sucks, but the game itself is still incredibly deep and fun. RDR is a good example, I think, because this game feels like it in a lot of ways. Did RDR have a "neater" story? Sure, but it was also a self-contained storyline. TPP has the baggage that comes with being the capstone to a 25-year-old series with an incredibly difficult-to-please fanbase (people going apeshit over even the smallest retcons, people sending Kojima death threats when he said he wouldn't make another MGS, etc.). What other franchise has built up the kind of mythology that MGS has? Nothing else I can think of even comes close, and it's trying to juggle half a dozen semi-contradictory storylines, half of which are from games that were released before a good chunk of TPPs playerbase were even born. I think TPP's gameplay is a hell of a lot deeper and more satisfying that RDR's, too. RDR was "only" $20 million more to develop, but keep in mind, that's a full 25% of TPP's budget. Could $20 million more have fixed the issues with TPP? Who knows. Possibly. I think the cut Chapter 51 stuff could have easily been included if they'd had the time and compromised on scaling down the boss battle. A lot of GTAV's cost did come from licensing and marketing, but TPP had its fair share of licensed songs too, and on top of that it has Kiefer. And you can't tell me you've ever seen a better trailer for a game than the promotional material that TPP had. It's honestly kind of amazing what they were able to accomplish with the budget they had. Storyline aside, this is flat-out one of the best games I have ever played. The Fox Engine is a goddamn technical marvel in every way. The sheer amount of things you can do in this game is staggering. It's why I really hope Kojima gets picked up by some western developer who is content to let him do what he needs to do to make the game he wants to make. Could you imagine Kojima working with Rockstar Games or something? Grizzled Patriarch fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Sep 6, 2015 |
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cat doter posted:TPP's systems layer on each other in a really interesting way and it's thematically linked with the story in a lot of cool ways, calling it feature bloat is silly imo. Feature bloat is when a game is crippled by its need to do too much, MGSV is instead invigorated by it. It's a great loving game, regardless of story missteps. Broseph Brostar posted:I'm glad most of the budget went into stuff that you actually play with, instead of most of it going into a massive building falling over in CoD or a bunch of fancy QTEs like Uncharted. Two really good points. I didn't like the story at all, it might be the worst MGS in terms of plot but at the same time I think the problems with writing came from the open world design. In that angry long post the dude said Mantis appeared at random points but KJP would have to make entirely new locales for most of the important plot points. That's why mission 51 got cut. Making two big areas and then doing QA on that is difficult enough. Still could use some polishing because Snake really hates going up steeper hills in this game. Edit: Also its really funny that after the Garbage trailer most people were like "it's the medic" and it turned out to be true. Terminally Bored fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Sep 6, 2015 |
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Sep 6, 2015 23:21
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How do I unlock the security stuff to put in my FOB? Trip wires and security cameras and stuff.
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Sep 7, 2015 00:36
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a cop posted:How do I unlock the security stuff to put in my FOB? Trip wires and security cameras and stuff. Upgrade your security team level. You will find the items under the Development window, but only if you are connected online.
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a cop posted:How do I unlock the security stuff to put in my FOB? Trip wires and security cameras and stuff. Locate the targets in your iDroid
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:It's why I really hope Kojima gets picked up by some western developer who is content to let him do what he needs to do to make the game he wants to make. Could you imagine Kojima working with Rockstar Games or something? also known as "Hideo Kojima is forced to budget a game responsibly" It's pretty funny that Konami will do literally nothing with a $50 million engine, and if they hold all the IPs to the rendering and software, it's 50 million they'll never make back. That's the biggest waste here. Mr. Fortitude posted:True enough. Though I read Max Payne 3 actually didn't sell too hot given the large budget it had. Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 00:48
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I wanted to repeat two questions- 1. is it possible to kick all your Kikongo-speaking staff out before the game triggers the language infection? If so, what happens? 2. Can you take on the Metal Gear during Hellbound?
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Alpha Protocol 2: A Hideo Kojima Game We're all screwed if he turns to KS after this
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Discendo Vox posted:1. is it possible to kick all your Kikongo-speaking staff out before the game triggers the language infection? If so, what happens? Hopefully a lawsuit for wrongful termination 
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Broseph Brostar posted:We're all screwed if he turns to KS after this
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Discendo Vox posted:I wanted to repeat two questions- The infection will happen eventually anyway, through volunteers. Just progress through the story until it's no longer an issue. And to my knowledge, no. But I haven't really tried.
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Discendo Vox posted:While that does sound remarkably Kojima-esque, it's probably this tendency to go massively over budget, miss deadlines by years, and continuously court controversy that got Konami to rethink videogame development generally. Imagine what the metal gear series budgeting process must look like for a company that's diversified into fitness centers and gambling machines.
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Was this posted yet? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9JbUfSICGiU Edit: I kind of wish the game had battles between opposing factions. It'd be cool sneaking past a Soviet outpost in Afghanistan while Mujahedeen assault it, creating a distraction. Or lots more people to fulton. Selenephos fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 01:02
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So has Konami just been totally silent on whether MGSV is the hill on which their videogame production dies? I feel like MGS without Kojima isn't going to automatically suck, but if Konami develops it, it'll probably be terrible since I can't think of any good games that Konami has put out recently.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Konami's been wasting money outside of Kojima. The past five years for Konami has been a sterling example of "How to spend $200 million on fifth-rate developers and getting lovely to below average games" and Kojima had absolutely nothing to do with those failures. Konami has also been making a lot of money elsewhere and none of it is related to MGS. So its understandable why they would shift focus, specially when Kojima has a habit of going over budget over very frugal things. The engine will still be used for their sport games, you might see it in some Yugioh game too! And one day phones will be strong enough to render MGSVI Auschwitz Bugaloo starting The Boss as The Joy.  vvv Without proper documentation and support I cant see them licensing or selling the engine. UE4 covers a lot of the ground the Fox Engine has while being extremely well documented in japan and also having stellar support. Its one of the reasons so many developers are using it over there Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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With MGS done and Silent Hills gone, Konami's game development is dead, yeah. If the rumors are true, they might be in talks to sell off the engine and IP. I'd believe the former before the latter - the engine itself is basically worthless to them if they aren't developing any more games, but I have a hard time believing they'd give up by far their biggest IP for any sane amount of money.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Konami has also been making a lot of money elsewhere and none of it is related to MGS. So its understandable why they would shift focus, specially when Kojima has a habit of going over budget over very frugal things. If things don't look up for either of those cases (and they most likely won't) Konami will basically end up being SNK with fitness clubs Grizzled Patriarch posted:If the rumors are true, they might be in talks to sell off the engine and IP. I'd believe the former before the latter - the engine itself is basically worthless to them if they aren't developing any more games, but I have a hard time believing they'd give up by far their biggest IP for any sane amount of money. Cao Ni Ma posted:vvv Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 01:13
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I think Omega was going to be a psuedo-historical recreation of the end of MG1. That's big enough to possibly fit the bill of never done in a video game before, letting you play out the new version of what happened.
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lovely Wizard posted:I think Omega was going to be a psuedo-historical recreation of the end of MG1. That's big enough to possibly fit the bill of never done in a video game before, letting you play out the new version of what happened. ...oh.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Like the intro sequence of Symphony of the Night? Well poo poo you got me, I was going to say it was pretty much just a recreation of the scene but then I remembered they actually changed Dracula's hearty laughs into a bit of actual dialogue between the two.
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I have now seen the end credits 3 times. Quiet is gone, I played the prologue Truth thing, and I have all 50 missions unlocked. Not all side ops completed yet. Is that it? Next mission, watch that cut epilogue thing? How do we find out what happens to our Big Boss? Or is this the guy that dies in the first Metal Gear while the real one runs around in the background?
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Spy Fiction 2: Swery's revenge A Hideo Kojima game
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Legacy of Kain: A Hideo Kojima Game
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Eternal Darkness 2 Make it happen nintendo
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Also at one point Code Talker was all WATCH KAZ and Snake went Bwuh? and he went THE PARASITES TOLD ME TO TELL YOU. What happened with that? It feels like they got 75 percent done with this game and got told to wrap it up.
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Dohaeris posted:Also at one point Code Talker was all WATCH KAZ and Snake went Bwuh? and he went THE PARASITES TOLD ME TO TELL YOU. What happened with that? It feels like they got 75 percent done with this game and got told to wrap it up. I think Code Talker was keeping an eye on the base for Kaz. He said eyes for Kaz and when snake was all buuuh? He laid it out. Though the game was like 80% complete and konami said get it done. Episode 51 makes that clear enough.
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Dohaeris posted:Also at one point Code Talker was all WATCH KAZ and Snake went Bwuh? and he went THE PARASITES TOLD ME TO TELL YOU. What happened with that? It feels like they got 75 percent done with this game and got told to wrap it up. Code Talker catches Kaz making calls to Cipher, which sets up his eventual turn against the real Big Boss. He was a "business partner" of Cipher's before GZ, as well. And yeah, Venom Snake is the one that gets killed during MG1, while the real Big Boss gets killed in MG2, then brought back for MGS4.
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Dohaeris posted:Also at one point Code Talker was all WATCH KAZ and Snake went Bwuh? and he went THE PARASITES TOLD ME TO TELL YOU. What happened with that? It feels like they got 75 percent done with this game and got told to wrap it up. If Eli's the kingdom of the flies was comparable in size to the other places (I assume they'd have side-ops there and stuff) It may be closer to 2/3's finished.
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Deadly Premonition 2: directed by Hideo Kojima
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"These two whole wheat bread slices have been toasted to perfection, and the turkey has been cured to a mirror sheen."
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So how did Ocelot meet up with Liquid for MGS1?
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