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randombattle posted:They construct a quarantine platform and you cant fire anyone until it's resolved. Graphite is combustible. So are clothes. Ignore the incendiary grenades on her hip. or wait does she actually not wear clothes because of the whole parasite-breathing/drinking/eating thing? As seriously, PTSD from being a loving inferno gives her a reason with actual emotional impact, bionanomachine plot nudity does not. Chippita fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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But what about using a pen.
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randombattle posted:But what about using a pen. Or writing in the sand with her finger. Hell she could probably also just loving ask Code Talker to pass on some poo poo too. Like despite wanting a common language with BB, she sure went out of her way to avoid finding one. XENA I LOVE YOU fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Just stick your fingers in your ears and yell "because Kojima" over and over again til you pass out, then all of his mindfucks in this game might start to make sense. It's kind of fun to see it though, this game is probably the most unhinged we'll get to see a game dev for quite some time in terms of loving with the players on multiple fronts. Makes sense that Mantis features so heavily, the whole game is toying with expectations.
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XENA I LOVE YOU posted:Or writing in the sand with her finger. Or even talking to Venom in a different language to indicate she can't speak English so he can fulton up a teacher to forever be with his waifu.
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Or loving sign language I mean geeze they have language for people who can't talk too. Quiet just sucks.
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To be fair to Quiet at least she speaks more often than Venom 'I wonder what's for dinner tonight' Snake. Watching him stare off into space while Skull Face is just doing his whole DESTROY ENGLISH monologue was one of the worst moments in the game. Which speaking of, I wish they had kept Hayter considering how often Kiefer actually gets a chance to act. The best acted sequence was that ending dialog bit and that ended up being cut for some reason.
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Okay so I still have to unlock the Quiet ending but... is that it? Episode 50 is the end? There were literally only 2 "Chapters" in the game? There's a prologue but no epilogue? What the gently caress? Also, if true, what are the pre-reqs for the final Paz photo? Just keep doing side-ops until the 11th "get the old mother base guy back" mission unlocks?
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DaveKap posted:Okay so I still have to unlock the Quiet ending but... is that it? Episode 50 is the end? There were literally only 2 "Chapters" in the game? There's a prologue but no epilogue? What the gently caress? Check the wall outside her room once you've given her the first 10. It's near the exit door.
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Broken Cog posted:Check the wall outside her room once you've given her the first 10. It's near the exit door. VVV: poo poo. 
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DaveKap posted:Oh, while I'm here I have another question. Just before giving Paz her 10th photo (I'm off to get the 11th now, thank you) the game took so long to load I was pretty sure it got stuck and had to close it. When I opened it back up, I was in Paz's room ready to give her the photo. Did I miss a cut-scene? I don't think so, but now that you mention it, I seem to remember freezing at that point as well.
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Sorry if this posting is lame because it's somewhere else in the thread but I just beat the game and uuugggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Kojima said you re-visit Guantanamo to do something "only video games can do." What the gently caress is he talking about? Edit: I guess nobody knows yet. Never mind. Eh I should stop asking things here and just check GameFAQs and read the rest of the thread. All that said, I feel sorry for everyone who thought there would be 5 areas to play in. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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XENA I LOVE YOU posted:Or writing in the sand with her finger. their common language is violence smh
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FZeroRacer posted:To be fair to Quiet at least she speaks more often than Venom 'I wonder what's for dinner tonight' Snake. Watching him stare off into space while Skull Face is just doing his whole DESTROY ENGLISH monologue was one of the worst moments in the game. it was actually the best because i imagined snake not paying attention at all and while skull face is monologuing snake's internally like "well im gonna kill this guy in like ten minutes whatever. i wonder how my dudes at base are. i wish dd was here, what a cute dog. good dog." etc
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Kiefer does really well with the few lines he's given, but I really was screaming at him to just say something! Anything! Please acknowledge the zombieman monologueing at you. But he never does.
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kiefer doesnt talk much/ever during missions because you're meant to be able to play any mission as any given mother base soldier. you'll notice he talks more at base and in the tapes.
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Under the vegetable posted:kiefer doesnt talk much/ever during missions because you're meant to be able to play any mission as any given mother base soldier. you'll notice he talks more at base and in the tapes. except this doesn't really work either because in tapes he's mostly just 'there' and has no presence. Even in cutscenes he's mute like when they're torturing Quiet he's just like 'whatevs' because ???. He's rarely an active character in-cutscene or in-tapes. even if he just nodded his head and said "mmhm" more often that would make him feel like he exists rather than being, well, a phantom.
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FZeroRacer posted:except this doesn't really work either because in tapes he's mostly just 'there' and has no presence. Even in cutscenes he's mute like when they're torturing Quiet he's just like 'whatevs' because ???. He's rarely an active character in-cutscene or in-tapes. get this: i don't agree with you at all about the tapes and think there's a solid reason for the cutscene action. in the Quiet scene he's not like "whatevs", he seems like he's holding back an impulse because he doesn't trust his own authority. he cares for quiet as a person but he knows ultimately he's meant to fulfill a role he doesn't truly have or understand, so he looks to miller and ocelot for instruction. it's not like he's just chilling and smoking the phantom cigar, he's got body language in the scene.
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randombattle posted:Or loving sign language I mean geeze they have language for people who can't talk too. Quiet just sucks. Once I unlocked her, I started using her almost exclusively for the ability to sleep people without blowing my cover. I haven't even touched the loving Walker, that piece of poo poo was written off the minute ghostgear blew up Emmerichs. GROM-Horse is my go-to battle gear. The minute I unlocked my own rifle with a suppressor though? gently caress Quiet. She's not killable early on, is she? I tranq every boss tranqable, and it seemed like I had the option of putting a bullet in her face, but spoils go to the victor.  D-Horse and D-Dog are definitely the true bros. And you don't even give them names. They're just tools to you. This is the reason why Big Boss is a demon, he puts living things in the item menu. The story is great for two reasons I figure: It makes MG1 relative 28 years later. A full loop, and explains how Big Boss seemingly cheated death for the second. Filling in a 28 year old plot hole is kind of ridiculous when you think of it when it comes to a video game series. It also explains nanomachines and super powers, in a way. Where the technology came from anyway. Yes it's more magic, but it removes a lot of the unnatural absurdity by making it natural. They're less godcell robots and more like viral cells being used in alternative means. Visible side effects and less off screen deaths you hear but don't care about. You literally execute your men infected with the precursor to nanomachine technology. You hear about the science and experiments resulting in a bunch of deaths of innocent people, but you're never a part of it. Turns out you're the reason it even exists post-skull face. You don't exactly rush off to throw Code Talker overboard to prevent these parasites from being further researched. You get your dudes to build you a parasite suit because who doesn't want to have real ultimate power? You gave that old fart a nursing home so he can study his parasites in peace while you gain his research. What I hated: - Afghanistan. - Africa. - Enemy Gunships. - Skull Face. Where the gently caress did he come from? No boss fight, Didn't exist until Ground Zeroes in any of the plot, builds literally the most advanced Metal Gear in the loving 70s, dies like a loving chump. - Miller. Seriously, gently caress Kaz. I've hated him since our first codec call in MGS1. I hated him when he turned out to be Liquid. He's a lovely character, he whines, he has the worst loving ideas. He's like a father who wasn't around. He earns the name Master Miller from one of my childhood heroes and years later I find out he's the father of Raiden? That look when he rampages on Skull Face? That's definitely Jack. - Quiet. - Boss Fights? - Volgin? Seriously? A) Why the gently caress do you bring him back of all loving people and B) Why the gently caress is he on fire? Why the gently caress is the flaming unicorn? The whale gets a pass. - Psycho Tretij. First of all, Third Child is a dumb name. No backstory is dumb. No explanation is dumb. Is he Psycho Mantis? The Mantis I remember was a bald disfigured dude who definitely didn't show any signs of being a non-binary ginger. Yeah he went off with Eli and he wears a dumb mask and fits the age, but poo poo, give him a shaved head, show his eye colour, have him tell me about my steam library and my message history. - Side Ops that aren't unique. - Missions that are actually side ops with triggers. - Missions that pretty much spoil the entire surprise of their own contents. - Missions that have unmentioned requirements. - Missions in a platform Metal Gear Solid. It works for portable systems, but uh when the gently caress did it become OK to take away the story focus the prior system brought us? I couldn't do the quarantine slaughter without destroying the tank conveys I skipped earlier. I loving dismantled the major threats already, don't rebel if you can't fight an already beaten army. - Missions. - The Twist. YOU ALREADY DID THIS WITH MGS2. OH HAHA YOU DON'T ACTUALLY PLAY AS THE GUY YOU THINK YOU'LL PLAY. Mind you, the timing on the punchline was different. But again, Phantom. Cigar. If it was Big Boss, it'd just say "Cigar", as the last thing Big Boss is worried about is loving cancer. - Online so far. Okay I can raid FOBs and build nukes... but is that it? Battle for who can get the most S rank units from each other? Why would I spend real money on this. I hope MGO brings in good times though. - Ocelot being a loving cowboy being explained by a sudden midlife crisis. Seriously, why the gently caress is he dressed like a Cowboy. Is it because Skull Face dresses like a Cowboy and it's like the good agent vs the bad agent? He was a pretty cool cat in MGS3, now he just reminds me of a Japanese guy in a cowboy hat at a casino or something. It just feels weird and try-hard. - Not being able to use animals against my enemies. Probably cut content though. - Cut Content. - Cut Ending. - Cut Battle Gear. - Cut Hideo Kojima. - Created and Directed by Hideo Kojima - Enemy Gunships - SPECIAL GUESTS - The badass unit of soldiers in this one is composed of 4 man gank squads and a single sniper who can't even blink once for yes because she is the antithesis of women in video games. - Chapter 2: Icarus - The red light doors that are probably just cut content while also being FOB doors. - Security Cameras, or rather, the lack of them. The good: - Intro - Quarantine - How badass Big Boss looks in his battle suit. - D-Horse - D-Dog - Cardboard Box Sliding - Shooting a tank with a grom while standing in a box with a soldier poster to go unnoticed. - Random Weather effects. - D-Dog - Putting rodents in my pockets. - Putting birds in my pockets. - Shrapnel horn. - Game play outside of menus and mother base. - Music. - Graphics. Chippita fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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is it really satisfying or something to make lists like that?
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Under the vegetable posted:is it really satisfying or something to make lists like that? Cocaine
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Under the vegetable posted:is it really satisfying or something to make lists like that?
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I think some of Keifer's lines got cut. Venom had a monologue where he reacts to the truth which is surprisingly well acted but unless the trigger is stupidly obtuse, it's not in the finished game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JbUfSICGiU Shame too since I kind of like it. It adds something to Venom as a character.
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Isn't there supposed to be a cutscene when you show Paz all 10 mementos? All that happens now is she drops her book and I can pick it up for her, then nothing 
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Finished the game but I'm only at 65% completion. Plus there are still... six? hidden achievements, I believe. Do the side objectives count towards total comp%? I'm wondering if there isn't some kind of hidden ending still to be found - although I doubt it.
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repiv posted:Isn't there supposed to be a cutscene when you show Paz all 10 mementos? All that happens now is she drops her book and I can pick it up for her, then nothing There is supposedly a 11th one outside her room.
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I just finished this. A couple of points: - So Eli just fucks off into the horizon with metal gear and mantis and that's the end of that? Ok then. Was hoping for much more plot with both of those. How does ocelot end up working for liquid? - Speaking of ocelot, he seems like a pretty chill dude in this and it doesn't really fit with the character from the rest of the series at all. - Did we ever find out what was up with Miller's eyes? I felt sure that was going to be a plot point but it just got ignored more or less. - So am I right in thinking Quiet wandered off to die after speaking English? That's kind of cool but it's not very clear. - I took all the discussions about rendering the parasites inert by changing their gender as a direct example of Kojima laughing at the Chico is Quiet crowd, especially where code talker literally says 'lol no it won't make you a chick' - Seriously disappointed we didn't get to meet paramedic/grey fox, especially seeing as one of the tapes dangles that in front of your face by saying she's in Africa working on cloning tech. - Chapter 2 really annoyed me despite some decent bits (e.g. killing all the infected men - wasn't really evil though what else were you going to do. I don't get the objections). I'm cool with challenge missions but not in the main mission list! Keep that for story driven stuff! - I think skull face was a pointless character whose inclusion at this stage just detracted from the game. I wish they'd just killed him off quickly and given me the fan servicey chapter 2 I wanted. - No Eva? Really? Just really? - Ok so venom is not big boss. Or he is, memetically, but not genetically. I saw that coming. So is big boss/his corpse in 4 actual big boss or venom? I guess it would have to be real big boss because his genes play a big part in the plot. Venom dies to solid and that's the end of him? Does DD = Outer Heaven? So what the gently caress is real big boss doing that whole time. - oh my god it would have been perfect if Ishmael had been voiced by hayter. Missed a trick Kojima! - So why exactly do Miller and ocelot end up enemies c. Mgs1? I feel this may be answered in the tapes and I should listen again. Just odd that kind of reasonable if a bit torturey mgs5 ocelot seems happy to go work for eli and mantis and the rest by that point. - just the game as a whole was cool but it didn't feel like it fitted neatly into the canon and tbh raised more questions than it answered. Maybe I'd be cool with that if it wasn't the self declared swansong of the series. Was expecting a more satisfying wrap up. Oh well. Ok well my head hurts now I'm going to go lie down for a bit. I started playing truth at about 4am like a moron and by the time I finished everything up and listened to the tapes it was nearly 7. I hope you have enjoyed my thoughts on the video game metal gear solid 5 the phantom pain.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:I think some of Keifer's lines got cut. Venom had a monologue where he reacts to the truth which is surprisingly well acted but unless the trigger is stupidly obtuse, it's not in the finished game. The monologue would have been pretty nice, adding some much needed character to Venom even if it would be at the end of the game. I'm just surprised that people assume that an absence of dialogue to the point where it's jarring is considered deep. He's just there for the ride the entire time : watching Quiet get tortured around the same time his link with her should be getting pretty high, dialogues sounding like people are talking AT Venom instead of with, the whole awkward truck ride with the theme playing that had a big gap of space because it seemed like they just outright cut whatever Venom was supposed to be saying, etc. There's a difference between portraying someone as distant/cold from all the poo poo they've been through and lopping off 95% of the dialogue a character should have. I'm assuming the people that liked the lack of lines (not specifically people who don't like Hayter, but retards like Under the vegetable) are just as brain damaged as Venom.
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ThomasPaine posted:I just finished this. A couple of points: Episode 51: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4JIHh5Jqk quote:- So am I right in thinking Quiet wandered off to die after speaking English? That's kind of cool but it's not very clear. Yes quote:- Seriously disappointed we didn't get to meet paramedic/grey fox, especially seeing as one of the tapes dangles that in front of your face by saying she's in Africa working on cloning tech. It's what we expected to be happen. It could exist in an MGS6 if they ever wanted to retread the Zanzibarland stuff quote:- Ok so venom is not big boss. Or he is, memetically, but not genetically. I saw that coming. So is big boss/his corpse in 4 actual big boss or venom? I guess it would have to be real big boss because his genes play a big part in the plot. Venom dies to solid and that's the end of him? Does DD = Outer Heaven? So what the gently caress is real big boss doing that whole time. It's the real Big Boss in MGS4. Venom is long dead. Mother Base in MGSV is Outer Heaven. Big Boss is probably planning to create a nation at this point. quote:- oh my god it would have been perfect if Ishmael had been voiced by hayter. Missed a trick Kojima! Would've been great but I'm totally fine with Big Boss being voiced by someone different. Would be nice to see Solid in a future one with Hayter. quote:- So why exactly do Miller and ocelot end up enemies c. Mgs1? I feel this may be answered in the tapes and I should listen again. Just odd that kind of reasonable if a bit torturey mgs5 ocelot seems happy to go work for eli and mantis and the rest by that point. Kaz sides with Cipher after MGSV to take down Big Boss, since he's pretty disgusted with Big Boss' actions (and being left out). Perhaps he agrees with the Patriots too given how he wants other people to 'be his eyes'. Ocelot joins up with Liquid who is essentially carrying out a crazed version of Big Boss' plan, but mainly to tear down the Patriots.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Hah, I didn't know about the blood trail. There's no way to come back from Demon status, is there? If not, I foresee a bunch of whining after people build nukes for the achievement without realizing what it will do. You can come back from Demon status. there are a lot of actions that in fact remove demon points.
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Alright, so how in the hell can I actually unlock/move past mission 43 while still keeping Quiet? I've heard some claims that people have managed to get past 43 with her still intact with the butterfly emblem thing and beat the whole game except for mission 45. Basically I wanna move the hell on and get mission 46 already so I can unlock cool stuff but I don't wanna lose my overpowered autopilot sniper just yet.
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I miss Quiet so goddamn much whenever a loving gunship shows up. No more grenade ricochet is turning each encounter into a slog. Gunships have ridiculously high health to the point where it takes twelve (TWELVE!) shots from my partially upgraded Killer Bee to take one down, which I don't make a habit if carrying around because of the cost and because it negatively impacts your stealth.
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Hardflip posted:It's the real Big Boss in MGS4. Venom is long dead. Mother Base in MGSV is Outer Heaven. Big Boss is probably planning to create a nation at this point. Metal Gear 1 takes place in 1995 and the operation Solid Snake is sent on is called "Operation Intrude N312" which is on the tapes in that cassette scene. Putting Venom snake in a room still with the horn and missing arm 11 years after the entirety of MGSV takes place (Which is 1984). After all the work you guys put in being super badass Venom Snake here is your final fate.  You would figure that for someone that writes in super detail and blows constant science smoke up your rear end he would have some explanation as to how Absolutely no one noticed that a guy with a giant black horn sticking out of his loving skull and a robot arm "supposedly" died and then rescued the survivors of Outer Heaven not only uninjured from his fight with Solid Snake but apparently had grown back his arm and removed his loving skull metal. Then we further dig our writer's hole with more useless additions by having the counter parasite to have the effect of making you sterile and unable to have kids. But Kaz goes off to have a daughter later on in the future after MGSV. The offensive thing about all of this is that the sterile tack on, the horn, and the missing arm have literally no purpose in the story of the game as Venom is literally tacked on into a cutscene for two seconds to show he jumped in front of Big Boss during the crash. This whole storyline could have worked with the real Big Boss instead of making another loving copy of Big Boss because the storyline of this game now consists of: - Two Secret Clones of Big Boss - One Super Secret clone of Big Boss - A Female Big Boss - Three "Deaths" of Big Boss - Two "Big Boss is in a Coma" - Countless "We used Big Boss's genes for <Insert Project>" - One guy who had Plastic Surgery to look like and act like Big Boss even though his medical conditions should render that useless. Minorkos posted:MGS5 is much like eating an excellent subway sandwich that has a small bit of poop at the very end Total Agree. gently caress Hideo's poo poo writing here. I am happy they fired his rear end now. I bought this game because I thought it was a Metal Gear game and what I got was not a Metal Gear game but something else that is quite fun but I would have preferred my Metal Gear game. Its like hiring a guy to renovate your kitchen but he built you a nice garage instead. I still want my kitchen fixed but I happen to have this sweet rear end garage now and I am confused about how I should feel about this. It's a hosed up Happy/Angry. Konami just hand off your loving Metal Gear IP to PlatinumGames the makers of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance god knows they know how to make a Metal Gear game even if it was short. The future aspects of the Metal Gear timeline will never allow for some guy without superpowers to stealth into some place guarded by normal humans. They heavily established the future is loving wierd and off the rails batshit. Pretty much need a American Liberian Cyborg Samurai to do anything in that world. Drinkfist fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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