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Colombians are Americans dude. It's not their fault the word's used throughout the anglosphere to describe folks from the United States, rather than folks from the Americas. ...or he's a liar. The above still applies, though. Anyone from the Americas can correctly call themselves American, whether US citizen or not.
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PerpetualSelf posted:Also the United States biggest mistake in Syria was their failure to commit to Assad and propup one of the few remaining Secular states in the Middle East. Secular Democracy which in 90s seemed inevitable in the middle east is now a pipe dream. They committed the same mistake in taking out Saddam Hussein. The only hope for secular states in the Middle East post-bush is via dictatorship whether you like that or not. The final result of the Syrian war will be a Secular Dictatorship or Sharia law of some form. There is zero hope for secular democracy in the Middle East. MIGF parachute account spotted.
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my dad posted:8/10 nah they lost me with "pissant little Europeans".
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Chomskyan posted:Weren't you pretending to be Colombian just like a day ago in the Venezuelan thread? Colombo-American. See the great thing about america is we are a melting pot of various cultures and everyone can call us home. I mean yes racism is bad but it's nothing compared to what is about to go down in Europe. Most people are pretty cool to immigrants here all things considering.
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PerpetualSelf posted:hate, and hate crimes for the far forseeable future and the effects of those people, and their political policies will ensure any kind of proper cultural fusion is impossible. Obvious trolling aside has anyone really addressed this issue? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-34138127 This article is just saying that Islamophobic crime is on the rise in London, but I'm going to extrapolate and say that its probably on the rise in all of Europe. There seems to be a lot of pro-immigration support while just kind of ignoring the reality of the situation that there is a not insignificant amount of Europeans who would rather not have immigrants in their communities. I feel like even in a best case scenario with the refugees being settled, anything other than a flawless plan and execution will just lead to more strife and conflict for the refugees. There was a post from a Danish person about how they settled immigrants in Denmark and then extraneous circumstances lead to a rise in ostracization and racism etc. and I'm pretty sure that's exactly what ill happen in Germany and elsewhere.(apologies if i misrepresented what you were saying)
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Arglebargle III posted:OTOH not only are these solutions expensive, but there will be violence and crime associated with the refugee communities. There would be violence and crime in any area full of displaced people whatever their race, and to be frank Levant Arab culture is notorious for its toxic ideas of masculinity, rampant misogyny, and a weak sense of rule of law. Not lumping it in with Pashto or Gulf Arab culture which is inarguably worse in many respects but it's a reality. Acting like bending over backwards to be welcoming, lavishing money on model communities, and scrupulous political correctness will eliminate those problems is a mistake is the only salient point these blood-and-fatherland people make. Even with good policy, this is a humanitarian crisis that is going to leave everybody materially worse off than they were at least in the short term, because it is a disaster and requires resources to manage. Except for the people in states that close their borders. People fleeing war are usually a lot better behaved towards their host countries than their home countries. I get that you have issues with arabs (but lol if you think white european culture doesn't have toxic masculinity, rampant misogyny and lack of respect for the rule of law), but we're not going to be importing a homogenous horde of culturally toxic savages, get over yourself.
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PerpetualSelf posted:Colombo-American. Except, of course, for muslims. We're talking what, less than 1%? Pathetic.
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United States ceiling for number of refugees admitted this year: 70,000 Number of people expected to be received by Germany this year: 800,000
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You're not going to get to america very fast on an overcrowded rubber raft.
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Sure, but for the prices that refugees are paying the smugglers, many of them could probably afford plane tickets - if, you know, their destination country was actually willing to receive them.
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PerpetualSelf posted:I don't think Europe or England understand what true Diversity, Tolerance, or Common Sense means anymore and that this whole endeavor is going to fail miserably. PerpetualSelf posted:Colombo-American. lol at both "Europe or England" and calling women "broads" when trying to make a feminist point. Your argument in any case seems to be "America is so much better to refugees than Europe so let's airlift them all to... The Gulf  ". Even if we leave the premise unchallenged (we shouldn't), do you not think a better plan suggests itself here? A way you guys can actually improve the situation rather than gibbering impotently about Racist Tea Time and its effects on migration?(Just so you know, Arab states won't treat refugees more pleasantly or integrate them more effectively just because 'lol, same race!'. Ask the Palestinians.) lmaoboy1998 fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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I have heard it said that Islam needs to go through an enlightenment like Europe did. The truth is, that one is in progress but it is violent just like Europe's enlightenment was violent, sometimes imposed by dictators and sometimes imposed by mobs. Remember the French Revolution? Remember all the other wars? Liberal Muslims absolutely exist. LGBT Muslims and allies exist. And it greater numbers than you might realize. They abhor this violence. The abhor groups like ISIS that seem to be getting colossal amounts of money from somewhere. Early on it was from the US funding Syrian rebels, now its from human trafficking, oil, artifacts, and gems. Its not other terrorists buying those things. Its not always other Muslims manufacturing and selling them guns. There have got to be quite a few rich fucks out there who have enslaved domestic workers dusting their looted Roman vases, and they are either Western or do a lot of business with the west to get so rich. What I do not like to see is Western powers sticking their dicks in the situation and "helping" for completely selfish reasons. It means that those liberal Muslims get painted as agents of America. And stop giving shady people money and being surprised when they do appalling things.
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Its almost like ISIS is intentionally creating a refugee crisis as a weapon to destabilize europe.
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Baloogan posted:Its almost like ISIS is intentionally creating a refugee crisis as a weapon to destabilize europe. The dead hand of Colonel Qaddafi is at work too. The real crisis is globalization, though.
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Sword and Sceptre posted:There was a post from a Danish person about how they settled immigrants in Denmark and then extraneous circumstances lead to a rise in ostracization and racism etc. and I'm pretty sure that's exactly what ill happen in Germany and elsewhere.(apologies if i misrepresented what you were saying) http://www.thelocal.dk/20150907/denmarks-anti-refugee-ads-published-in-foreign-papers
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but dubstep.
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What would be some reputable organizations to donate to that are involved in helping refugees at this time?
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gradenko_2000 posted:What would be some reputable organizations to donate to that are involved in helping refugees at this time? You could donate to the International Committee of the Red Cross. e: You can read more about their role, and other potential organizations to donate to here. Red and Black fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Tias posted:People fleeing war are usually a lot better behaved towards their host countries than their home countries. I get that you have issues with arabs (but lol if you think white european culture doesn't have toxic masculinity, rampant misogyny and lack of respect for the rule of law), but we're not going to be importing a homogenous horde of culturally toxic savages, get over yourself. See, this is the sort of handwaving that the blood-and-soil folks complain about and it's like the only thing they say that's halfway right. Accepting refugees from Syria is not the same as accepting vacationers from Surrey.
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gradenko_2000 posted:What would be some reputable organizations to donate to that are involved in helping refugees at this time? Red Cross has a very spotty history in places like the US and Haiti.
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MothraAttack posted:drat look at all em darkies about to soil our women. This is genuinely why attitudes to immigration in the UK are hardening as there's been a string of cases of mass sexual abuse by men of predominantly south asian origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sex_gang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_sex_gang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_sex_gang
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:This is genuinely why attitudes to immigration in the UK are hardening as there's been a string of cases of mass sexual abuse by men of predominantly south asian origin That's it? It seems like there are lots of other reasons too. Nigel Farage doesn't really hammer on about rape gangs (I guess he has more taste and restraint than you).
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SedanChair posted:Nigel Farage doesn't really hammer on about rape gangs (I guess he has more taste and restraint than you). 
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ufarn posted:MSF (Doctor's Without Borders). They're the kind of organization that tells people to stop donating, when they think they've reached a saturation point. Red Cross depends hugely on who you donate to. If you donate to the ICRC, your money will be dealt with very differently than if you donate to, say, the American Red Cross.
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SedanChair posted:That's it? It seems like there are lots of other reasons too. Nigel Farage doesn't really hammer on about rape gangs (I guess he has more taste and restraint than you). I think certainly one of the reasons given the amount of media coverage those cases have gotten and there's now a white only mini cab company. I don't agree with it btw
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Inferior Third Season posted:Today, the Danish government bought ads in Lebanese newspapers, telling refugees to stay away from Denmark. Our government is literal racist scum. I pray this does not kick off another round of diplomatic crises  Arglebargle III posted:See, this is the sort of handwaving that the blood-and-soil folks complain about and it's like the only thing they say that's halfway right. Accepting refugees from Syria is not the same as accepting vacationers from Surrey. No, unless I'm much mistaken, it would be a hell of lot more pleasant. 
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Tias posted:Our government is literal racist scum. I pray this does not kick off another round of diplomatic crises. I think Leicester tried that in the 80s and Africans. It either didn't work or encouraged people to emigrate there because they knew its name and figured that it had to be good there if they're trying to stop people coming. Loving Africa Chaps posted:This is genuinely why attitudes to immigration in the UK are hardening as there's been a string of cases of mass sexual abuse by men of predominantly south asian origin We're also in the process of unwinding a massive decades long paedo ring involving white British Christian/atheists who were famous entertainers and politicians potentially including a prime minister so it's more likely that being in the UK with our lovely and corrupt police lets you be a paedo rather than anything to do with ethnicity.
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SedanChair posted:That's it? It seems like there are lots of other reasons too. Nigel Farage doesn't really hammer on about rape gangs (I guess he has more taste and restraint than you). Nige blames the problems with our healthcare service on HIV infected foreigners coming here on holiday and getting free operations while giving people AIDS. I don't think there is anyone less tasteful than Nigel. namesake posted:We're also in the process of unwinding a massive decades long paedo ring involving white British Christian/atheists who were famous entertainers and politicians potentially including a prime minister so it's more likely that being in the UK with our lovely and corrupt police lets you be a paedo rather than anything to do with ethnicity. Entirely true but people will jump on the minority incidents and use them as fuel for the pre-existing conclusion that foreigners are evil.
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Imapanda posted:You're not going to get to america very fast on an overcrowded rubber raft. It's not like the Vietnamese boat people had to cross the Pacific on their own for the US to take them in. The logistics of transportation is probably going to be the simplest obstacle to overcome if you want to bring hundreds of thousands of refugees to the US.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:It's not like the Vietnamese boat people had to cross the Pacific on their own for the US to take them in. The logistics of transportation is probably going to be the simplest obstacle to overcome if you want to bring hundreds of thousands of refugees to the US. And has been pointed out already, a lot of these people are paying upwards of $10k for a boat to Europe. For that money, they could easily grab a plane ticket to the US, provided we'd actually grant them refugee status and let them stay. Which we almost certainly wouldn't.
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Sydin posted:And has been pointed out already, a lot of these people are paying upwards of $10k for a boat to Europe. For that money, they could easily grab a plane ticket to the US, provided we'd actually grant them refugee status and let them stay. Which we almost certainly wouldn't. From my experience airlines won't even let you board US flights if you don't have a valid visa.
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lmaoboy1998 posted:lol at both "Europe or England" and calling women "broads" when trying to make a feminist point. England really isn't Europe. It's a whole different ballgame. As for the latter I guess you don't understand tongue in cheek sarcasm. lmaoboy1998 posted:Your argument in any case seems to be "America is so much better to refugees than Europe so let's airlift them all to... The Gulf I fear that allowing Arabs into the European nations is not only not going to make the situation for them any better, but make them worse. Also if ISIS and AQ or any extremist group are smart in any way or form they are going to be using this to their advantage to place terror cells within Europe with the goal of setting of attacks that will cause further cultural friction and alienation. This cultural friction is not something that the terrorist groups do not desire. They want it. That was their very goal from the beginning. Because it helps them recruit. It leads to isolation of communities and radicalization of local muslim populations. This whole thing screams metastrategy. Osama Bin Laden will probably go down as the smartest man in Middle Eastern history for how he basically singlehandedly, with a very small group of crazies, caused the western world hundreds of trillions of dollars in costs. The whole situation is very, very, dangerous and the rise of global warming ensures that this is not going to be a single incident. I could see mass refugee crisises occurring regularly for the next 50 to 100 years and the entire western populations being supplanted. If the refugees are less educated, poorer, and the institutions and infrastructure of the european countries they are entering are incapable of educating and bringing so many people up to date with the level of basic understanding of science that the west has how does education not slide backwards in these countries? They've escaped the anti-evolution nonsense and superstition. Massive immigration could completely change that trend amongst many, many others. No matter how much you love immigrants how do you deal with that? Because there is one major difference between the mass immigrations of the central american and mexican populations in the United States, where both cultures are informed by european traditions, and share similar values and education levels, and there's something very different with having a bunch of people who share very different values at such a massive level entering. We should be focusing on colonizing space at this point as a species. How do you ensure that those important things remain funded in the face of such a event horizon as the collapse of modern society due to mass immigrations caused by global warming and overpopulation? PerpetualSelf fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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PerpetualSelf posted:We should be focusing on colonizing space at this point as a species. How do you ensure that those important things remain funded in the face of such a event horizon as the collapse of modern society due to mass immigrations caused by global warming and overpopulation? You had me up to this point 
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Space detour from nowhere!
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lol we can't accept migrants because nations supposedly can't stop terror cells or assimilate a refugee population composing a fraction of their population, ergo, colonize space.
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I would support colonising space if we could convince Capital to leave the planet. Capital [space]Flight
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OwlFancier posted:I would support colonising space if we could convince Capital to leave the planet. why would you want to give capital the high ground?
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Ernie Muppari posted:why would you want to give capital the high ground? So I can push them off it.
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Newt Gingrich knows the peril of allowing Muslims to conqueror the moon.
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