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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

When step one is "create healthy, robust personality" and you're one of these dorks, immortality probably seems even farther away.

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Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

Check this poo poo out

http://immortality-roadmap.com/IMMORTEN.pdf

It was proofread by a Dark Enlightenment guy, it's semi-relevant dammit.
The title makes me hope there's an entry for McFeasting in Valhalla.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I dunno guys, I just can't get excited for the new Alpha Centauri tech tree. You'd think these nerds would put spidersteel sentinels on there somewhere.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
Lol if you haven't nervegas choppered the rest of the planet by mid-game.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Woolie Wool posted:

I like how it's a "roadmap". Human aging and death are not a massively complex tangle of different processes, many of which are completely unavoidable aspects of being made of cells and existing in our universe, but just a software bug or an incomplete feature. Immortality coming in Transhumanism v1.7.12, SVN build 3789.

I'm imagining some dipshit transhumanist in the future disabling biological processes that stop cell division and cause tissue aging, going "there I fixed aging :downs:", and then all the mothers in the experiment die because the embryos turn into gigantic masses of cancer instead of immortal superbabies.

E: yeah, that's right--to do such drastic genetic modifications you don't experiment on healthy nerdbro volunteers, you experiment on women and make them pregnant with your frankenbabies.

Whether we get hit by a truck, die of old age, or transfer our consciousness into robot dragons, none of us are surviving infinitely. Thermodynamics is a harsh mistress.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


But the AI will create a pocket universe for us because uh space magic! *waves hands frantically*

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Woolie Wool posted:

But the AI will create a pocket universe for us because uh space magic! *waves hands frantically*

That's literally what Big Yud says. "I don't know how but the AI will do magic that lets me have everything I want."

Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!

Woolie Wool posted:

But the AI will create a pocket universe for us because uh space magic! *waves hands frantically*

Bad news about that. In a nutshell, even Yud's vaunted super-AI can only be so smart.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


I'm tempted to dig up my Orion's Arm mock post in the old LW thread and refer you to the project's ideas for turning entire star clusters into "computronium".

"Computronium" is some bullshit substance that's supposed to be basically the perfect supercomputer and the AI gods can turn any arbitrary amount of matter into computronium because nanomachines~

Also OA has genetically engineered furry sex slaves. This is singularity nerds' idea of "hard sci-fi". Also pet babies, which are like normal babies only they can never grow up and don't have human rights.

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Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Woolie Wool posted:

Also OA has genetically engineered furry sex slaves.
Ahaha, of friggin' cour-

Woolie Wool posted:

Also pet babies, which are like normal babies only they can never grow up and don't have human rights.
:prepop:

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


http://www.orionsarm.com/

There is always more, and it is always worse. Just wait till you see the singularity Super Saiyan levels. Dragon Ball Z only has three levels? We have SIX! Six singularities, all stacked atop one another, so Yud's super-AI are the bottom feeders here.

E: I'm not kidding about the pet babies

Orion's Arm posted:

Reproduction is usually artificial rather than sexual.
:airquote: "usually" :airquote:

quote:

...Greater Superchimps of the Centaurus Expansion, maintain populations of pet humans for sentimental reasons or for sport.
Yes, that's right, humans made into game animals. :catstare:

quote:

Cherub
Cherubim are one of the more unusual types of pet in that Terragens aren't the only beings who keep them. There are even reliable reports of ahuman sophonts in the Solipsist Panvirtuality who own cherubim. Some psychologists claim that cherubim have appeal similar to that of Pet Humans.

The cherub genome has contributions from both primates and birds. A cherub looks like a tiny (15-20 centimeter tall) human, usually female, with feathered wings. The wingspan is about 150% of the height. The broad shoulders and deep chest accommodate the flight muscles, but the rest of the body is quite slender and the bones are hollow. Cherubim are highly proficient fliers who can hover, dart backwards or sideways and make 90° turns at speed. They get the energy for this frenetic activity from a high-carbohydrate diet of fruit. This rather specific diet means that they can only survive in the wild in places where fruit is available year round. The average life expectancy of a cherub is 20 years. Cherubim usually reproduce by parthenogenesis, but one birth in 50 produces a male (in some avians sex determination rests with the female rather than the male; the genes that allow this are present in cherubim). This ensures a minimal level of genetic diversity in local populations. Cherubim are oviparous, and the young hatch from rubbery soft-shelled eggs. A healthy female can lay one egg every year.

The main design feature of cherubim is attractiveness, at least by hu standards. Their faces are universally beautiful and their skin is flawlessly smooth or covered in down (depending on subspecies). They have a wide variety of skin, hair, eye and plumage colors. Many subspecies also have genes for bioluminescence; the entire skin glows softly, which complements the iridescence of the hair and feathers. Cherubim have high flutelike voices with which they utter complex musical calls.

A cherub is roughly as intelligent as a monkey and is even easier to train. The cherub temperament can best be compared to that of a human child with severe attachment and approval issues. The animal is very affectionate with and obedient to its owner and will be subdued when the owner isn't present. With anyone but its master a cherub is wary; it will not willingly let itself be handled in its owner's absence. Older cherubim may even pine to the point of starvation if their masters die or abandon them.
:barf:

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Heresiarch
Oct 6, 2005

Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.
I can't stop making the Kermit face now.

Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment
:puckout: The natural evolution of the Dark Enlightenment if they ever bothered to organize themselves.

http://www.tfp.org/

Woolie Wool posted:

http://www.orionsarm.com/

There is always more, and it is always worse. Just wait till you see the singularity Super Saiyan levels. Dragon Ball Z only has three levels? We have SIX! Six singularities, all stacked atop one another, so Yud's super-AI are the bottom feeders here.

E: I'm not kidding about the pet babies

:airquote: "usually" :airquote:

Yes, that's right, humans made into game animals. :catstare:

:barf:

Reminds me of that awful dragon site that planned to set up shop in Africa Terra Maladsomething or whatever. That produced some fun goon fanfiction and a lot of horrible discoveries. :sucicde:

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
I thought the natural evolution would just be National Socialism, or any of the other fascist movements.

I can't wait until the Dark Enlightenment reaches the stage where they decide Christianity is an egalitarian Jewish cult and we need to go back to neo-paganism. Should be getting there any day now.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I thought the natural evolution would just be National Socialism, or any of the other fascist movements.

I can't wait until the Dark Enlightenment reaches the stage where they decide Christianity is an egalitarian Jewish cult and we need to go back to neo-paganism. Should be getting there any day now.

The DE view often seems to be that Protestantism is an egalitarian cult and we need to go back to pre-Vatican II Catholicism -- although to some extent this reflects a misunderstanding of Catholicism.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Silver2195 posted:

The DE view often seems to be that Protestantism is an egalitarian cult and we need to go back to pre-Vatican II Catholicism -- although to some extent this reflects a misunderstanding of Catholicism.

Yeah, right now, but they're going to go further than that any day now.

They won't even need to give up genetic fallacy, they can just switch it from "Progressivism is based on protestantism, and is therefore a religion" to "Progressivism is based on Christianity and is therefore a religion"

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Yeah, right now, but they're going to go further than that any day now.

They won't even need to give up genetic fallacy, they can just switch it from "Progressivism is based on protestantism, and is therefore a religion" to "Progressivism is based on Christianity and is therefore a religion"

The problem with this is that it means giving up the link to de Maistre throne-and-altar stuff

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Eox
Jun 20, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
I thought they hated cathedrals?

Merdifex
May 13, 2015

by Shine

Eox posted:

I thought they hated cathedrals?

It's weird, Moldbug definitely doesn't come across as a fan of Catholicism, that's something his admirers have tacked on.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Merdifex posted:

It's weird, Moldbug definitely doesn't come across as a fan of Catholicism, that's something his admirers have tacked on.

I assumed it came from neoreactionaries from Protestant or secular backgrounds seeing Catholicism as mysterious and forbidden.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Silver2195 posted:

I assumed it came from neoreactionaries from Protestant or secular backgrounds seeing Catholicism as mysterious and forbidden.

I can't help but suspect a fair amount has to do with the tendency of these types to love Warhammer 40k, too.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
The other factor is the bizarro-Whig view of history Moldbug promotes. The most naive form of Whig history treats the Protestant Reformation as an unqualified Good Thing and various aspects of historical Catholicism as Bad Things, thus for neoreactionaries it must be the other way around.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I thought the natural evolution would just be National Socialism, or any of the other fascist movements.

I can't wait until the Dark Enlightenment reaches the stage where they decide Christianity is an egalitarian Jewish cult and we need to go back to neo-paganism. Should be getting there any day now.

They could at least invent a new genre of metal or something, but nooooooooo they have to be neofascists who regard lovely video games as the only aesthetically interesting medium.

Merdifex
May 13, 2015

by Shine

Pope Guilty posted:

They could at least invent a new genre of metal or something, but nooooooooo they have to be neofascists who regard lovely video games as the only aesthetically interesting medium.

You know, I don't think I've mentioned this before, but nydwracu is the only DE moron who makes, or made, his own music. You check his poo poo out at his website he says he made when he was 15. Notice the subtle racial messages in some of the songs.

http://cryptm.org/~nort/

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Silver2195 posted:

I assumed it came from neoreactionaries from Protestant or secular backgrounds seeing Catholicism as mysterious and forbidden.

It also helps that a lot of these guys' vision of a perfect world is where priests and bishops are master programmers of the arch-computer that will deliver us from decadence.

Which has a lot of overlap with this:

Night10194 posted:

I can't help but suspect a fair amount has to do with the tendency of these types to love Warhammer 40k, too.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


There used to be a time when Warhammer 40k was meant to be absurdly unpleasant and the whole point of it was the ridiculousness of such a relentlessly awful, dreary setting. But then nerds have to be nerds and take it too loving seriously. I bet they hate the Orks, who of course are and have always been by far the best part of 40k.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Merdifex posted:

You know, I don't think I've mentioned this before, but nydwracu is the only DE moron who makes, or made, his own music. You check his poo poo out at his website he says he made when he was 15. Notice the subtle racial messages in some of the songs.

http://cryptm.org/~nort/

I thought Nithgrim was someone else?

Mind you, Nydwracu changes his blogname every few days, so who knows really.

Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I thought Nithgrim was someone else?

Mind you, Nydwracu changes his blogname every few days, so who knows really.

If that's the case, it's pretty weird that the blog link on that website goes to Nydwracu's blog.

Merdifex
May 13, 2015

by Shine

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I thought Nithgrim was someone else?

Mind you, Nydwracu changes his blogname every few days, so who knows really.

No, Nithgrim is Nydwracu.

Nydwracu niþgrim, nihtbealwa mæst, a reference to Beowulf.

He used to have a newgrounds account during the time he made that awful music which was particularly embarrassing, but that's all deleted now.

Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!

Merdifex posted:

You know, I don't think I've mentioned this before, but nydwracu is the only DE moron who makes, or made, his own music. You check his poo poo out at his website he says he made when he was 15. Notice the subtle racial messages in some of the songs.

http://cryptm.org/~nort/

It's like someone tried to crossbreed Breakcore and Noise.

Only they don't understand either.

I always hated the weird neo-fascist undercurrent in a lot of post-Industrial subgenres. The worst offenders are usually Neofolk bands or Martial Industrial, with Power Electronics pulling up pretty close behind them. It never really felt ironic, despite the bands claiming otherwise. It's actually one of the big reasons why I switched over to experimental Jazz and Japanese Noise artists in my listening habits. My family emigrated to the US in WW2 because my grandpa hated Hitler and my grandma was probably gonna get put into a camp. My cousins were all split apart when the Berlin wall went up. So all that stuff hits a little close to home for me.

I will bet a toe that Nydwracu reads or read Heathen Harvest at one point.

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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Merdifex posted:

Nydwracu niþgrim, nihtbealwa mæst, a reference to Beowulf.

Old English! That's a space on the fascist bingo card.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Hate Fibration posted:

It's like someone tried to crossbreed Breakcore and Noise.
Only they don't understand either.
I always hated the weird neo-fascist undercurrent in a lot of post-Industrial subgenres. The worst offenders are usually Neofolk bands or Martial Industrial, with Power Electronics pulling up pretty close behind them. It never really felt ironic, despite the bands claiming otherwise. It's actually one of the big reasons why I switched over to experimental Jazz and Japanese Noise artists in my listening habits. My family emigrated to the US in WW2 because my grandpa hated Hitler and my grandma was probably gonna get put into a camp. My cousins were all split apart when the Berlin wall went up. So all that stuff hits a little close to home for me.

Me rambling on the topic. tl;dr pretty much the point of industrial was to be a huge edgelord, back when that was actually work; also, kids these days.

This essay lists and evaluates a pile of cases.

y'know, at least Test Dept picked Soviet imagery and were actual grassroots socialist activists. The miners' choir stuff is a hilarious juxtaposition.

If you're going to do martial industrial, at least make it really loving gay.

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Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

DarklyDreaming posted:

It also helps that a lot of these guys' vision of a perfect world is where priests and bishops are master programmers of the arch-computer that will deliver us from decadence.



Isn't that the setting of Paranoia?


The Vosgian Beast posted:

Old English! That's a space on the fascist bingo card.

So, just so we know, what are the newest hallmarks of fascism (nerd, neo, and/or original) , both dogwhistles and fashion statements. I recall some goon doing regular goony things by wearing red laces in his boots and him being informed that's the way biker nazis spot someone's who's murdered someone.

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Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
dp

Heresiarch
Oct 6, 2005

Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Old English! That's a space on the fascist bingo card.

Bah, the Anglo-Saxons were immigrant scum. Common Brittonic is where it's at.

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

Ronwayne posted:

Isn't that the setting of Paranoia?


So, just so we know, what are the newest hallmarks of fascism (nerd, neo, and/or original) , both dogwhistles and fashion statements. I recall some goon doing regular goony things by wearing red laces in his boots and him being informed that's the way biker nazis spot someone's who's murdered someone.

I always found skinheads and metalheads calling themselves 'apolitical' or saying 'let's leave politics out of this' was a good indicator that they were a nazi or hung around with lots of them, in much the same way as the neoreactionaries claim to be above politics but are actually overwhelmingly conservative. The good old runes and 88 tattoos are still in fashion amongst the low-rent crowd, obviously. Rebel flags, especially in countries that aren't the US; no biker in Europe is flying a confed flag for legit reasons.

It's all got a bit hard to tell, especially now the nazis are dressing like hipsters and the hipsters are dressing like nazis.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


As a metalhead, most metalheads I've met who refuse to talk about politics in relation to music listen to music with politics that they know most people would find utterly reprehensible and don't want to take responsibility for willingly consuming such material.

gently caress you, Burzum and Arghoslent are not "just music, man". You know exactly what the gently caress you're listening to. People don't find themselves attracted to music that explicitly pushes fascist and white supremacist worldviews for merely "artistic reasons".

Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment

Woolie Wool posted:

There used to be a time when Warhammer 40k was meant to be absurdly unpleasant and the whole point of it was the ridiculousness of such a relentlessly awful, dreary setting. But then nerds have to be nerds and take it too loving seriously. I bet they hate the Orks, who of course are and have always been by far the best part of 40k.

GW hates the orks too nowadays. :smith:

Anyone who thinks the space marines are better then orks is probably terminally boring anyway.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Pretty much everything about 40k is terribly boring nowadays. They keep laying it on thicker and thicker to the point where it's no longer entertainingly kitschy but merely tawdry, trashy, and sordid.

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Monocled Falcon
Oct 30, 2011

Woolie Wool posted:

http://www.orionsarm.com/

There is always more, and it is always worse. Just wait till you see the singularity Super Saiyan levels. Dragon Ball Z only has three levels? We have SIX! Six singularities, all stacked atop one another, so Yud's super-AI are the bottom feeders here.

E: I'm not kidding about the pet babies

:airquote: "usually" :airquote:

Yes, that's right, humans made into game animals. :catstare:

:barf:

And apparently smoking bans lead to the demise of the nation state.

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