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Does anyone know if Vince Foster broke one of these pledges? Things are all starting to add up here...
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breaklaw posted:Of course he isn't. The thing I can't figure out is if his supporters actually really don't know this. It seems like Bernie himself doesn't even deny it. Even when he announced he said it was about making sure the left had a voice in the discourse or something to that effect. The parallels I'd draw with RonPaul2008 supporters and Bernie is that they're both projecting onto their preferred candidate. Bernie may have run as a last hurrah to bring attention to issues he's passionate about, but that has gotten the Pacifica/Green Party crowd involved again. Sure, there are supporters that see Sanders gaining in polls, that NH one made them lose their poo poo again, and feel that he's got a chance, but much of that is them being excited that the issues they care about might actually get close to a Presidential election. Hell, I was happy Paul was around in 2008 to make the GOP look silly in the debates. Kind of like how I think having Trump around is hilarious. But I'm a polisci major, so I'm just here for the show and have accepted that nothing is going to change. And on the Pacifica crowd, I've been seeing a ton of typical hard leftists that were big Jill Stein supporters recently and are all excited about Sanders. They've been hosting house parties and all kinds of stuff for a Democrat after decades of bitching about how the two parties are the same and only a socialist revolution will save America. Can't wait to see where they all end up this time next year, but I'm betting on them going back to the old ways yet more bitter since they got burned again.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:24
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Joementum posted:Aww, that's cute. A couple of students attending babby's first political rally were handed a pledge card and got all offended. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/09/06/hillary_misses_mark_with_millennials_127995.html quote:This trip was billed as a grassroots support mechanism, with every attendee required to sign a pledge of support before entering the field.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:24
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MrBims posted:http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-clinton-makes-voters-sign-loyalty-pledge-before-entering-event/ Pretty gauche.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:24
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JT Jag posted:The report claimed that it was a prerequisite for entry, the Clinton campaign contests this The report says "asked" which is completely different from "required". e: thehill.com report says 'asked', the original article says 'required' but the reasons why that's completely full of poo poo have already been covered Dr.Zeppelin fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 22:24
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MrBims posted:http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-clinton-makes-voters-sign-loyalty-pledge-before-entering-event/ Mediaite has seriously the laziest loving right wing hack writers of any online news media. It's pathetic
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Sep 7, 2015 22:25
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Guys, check out this insane campaign tactic!   MrBims posted:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/09/06/hillary_misses_mark_with_millennials_127995.html Maybe a volunteer got a little zealous, but that reporter seems like she might have blown this event a bit out of proportion.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:26
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Joementum posted:Maybe a volunteer got a little zealous, but that reporter seems like she might have blown this event a bit out of proportion. A reporter thinking that torpedoing the Clinton campaign will get them a Pulitzer and acting accordingly? Like that would ever happen
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Sep 7, 2015 22:27
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Democratic candidate discovers one weird trick to get people's e-mail addresses. People who are just there to see Bill Clinton hate her. \/\/\/ Kristol just found a way to not always be wrong: remain as vague as possible. NotJesus fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 22:30
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/democratic-party-and-hillary-clinton-cancel-wedding_1026071.htmlquote:When it comes down to selecting a nominee, the GOP finalists are likely to come from a group encompassing Carly Fiorina, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Scott Walker, Chris Christie, and Jeb Bush. Bold predictions from Bill Kristol.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:30
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A question. Supposing that the democratic nominee position was more..er..up for grabs than it is now with Hillary, who do you think would do better in the general elections? O Malley? Hillary? Sanders? Biden? I understand that the response depends on who the republican nominee is, and there are also polls that kinda deal with the question. I would like to get some feedback on this though from thread posters.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:31
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/democratic-party-and-hillary-clinton-cancel-wedding_1026071.html So I guess the nominee will be Trump or Carson, then.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:34
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Imagine reading that article about pledging for Hillary and thinking "this is it. this is what sinks the $hillary campaign for good!" just imagine.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:34
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/democratic-party-and-hillary-clinton-cancel-wedding_1026071.html Considering he's wrong about everything we're either going to get President Trump or President Carson now. Edit: Beaten like the dead horse that is Bill Kristol
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Sep 7, 2015 22:35
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Dante80 posted:A question. Supposing that the democratic nominee position was more..er..up for grabs than it is now with Hillary, who do you think would do better in the general elections? O Malley? Hillary? Sanders? Biden? Probably Hillary. She'll probably do better in states like Florida and North Carolina than the other Democrats in this primary, she brings in people who want to vote for the first woman to be President, and there's no bit of information about her left uncovered. In fact, she's had so much opposition thrown at her that partisans assume that any new revelation is just more of the same nonsense that the right's tried for decades.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:36
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Joementum posted:Probably Hillary. She'll probably do better in states like Florida and North Carolina than the other Democrats in this primary, she brings in people who want to vote for the first woman to be President, and there's no bit of information about her left uncovered. In fact, she's had so much opposition thrown at her that partisans assume that any new revelation is just more of the same nonsense that the right's tried for decades. To add to that she has the most institutional support which is the more important thing. Y'know, being able to get people out to vote.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:47
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A Neurotic Jew posted:Imagine reading that article about pledging for Hillary and thinking "this is it. this is what sinks the $hillary campaign for good!" No one thinks this. But the Hillary campaign was already sunk for good the moment they decided it is better to talk about emails instead of the TPP or Keystone XL Pipeline.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:47
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Dante80 posted:A question. Supposing that the democratic nominee position was more..er..up for grabs than it is now with Hillary, who do you think would do better in the general elections? O Malley? Hillary? Sanders? Biden? Still Hillary at this point, assuming her favorability numbers will bounce back somewhat before the general.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:49
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Dante80 posted:A question. Supposing that the democratic nominee position was more..er..up for grabs than it is now with Hillary, who do you think would do better in the general elections? O Malley? Hillary? Sanders? Biden? The only one who has a chance of beating Trump is Bernie, and even he would probably lose based on gently caress-you got-mine spite voters.
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Sep 7, 2015 22:49
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The only one who has a chance of beating Trump is Bernie, and even he would probably lose based on gently caress-you got-mine spite voters. Any democrat would beat Trump with ease. An ugly rock with a blue D painted on it would crush him
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Sep 7, 2015 22:56
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Dante80 posted:A question. Supposing that the democratic nominee position was more..er..up for grabs than it is now with Hillary, who do you think would do better in the general elections? O Malley? Hillary? Sanders? Biden?
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Sep 7, 2015 22:58
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The only one who has a chance of beating Trump is Bernie, and even he would probably lose based on gently caress-you got-mine spite voters.
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Sep 7, 2015 23:02
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Republican analysts underestimated Trump as well, know what happened to them? Boom; turned into rock ghosts. Which Trump furiously snorted between bush disses.
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Sep 7, 2015 23:07
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Joementum's hot takes: Eisenhower was a joke candidate, but that Huckabee fella... But seriously it was just weird because you're clearly using 'serious' as a synonym for politician, (though you've also expanded it to 'likely to win') while the question was definitely about whether or not a candidate was insane/stupid/not-actually-really-running-to-win. Sometimes joke candidates actually win! (Though not the Presidental election, not in the US) Oddly enough, mandatory lesbian immediately responded with why I wouldn't consider Huckabee a serious candidate (but I think as a defense of why he was?) In summary, I think the idea of "seriousness" is obviously pretty useless.
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Sep 7, 2015 23:07
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I figure what Joementum is saying "assuming no hosed up black swan events happen."
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Sep 7, 2015 23:10
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GlyphGryph posted:Joementum's hot takes: Yes, he's an exception, though being Supreme Allied Commander is a position of political authority, if not a democratically elected one. quote:But seriously it was just weird because you're clearly using 'serious' as a synonym for politician, (though you've also expanded it to 'likely to win') while the question was definitely about whether or not a candidate was insane/stupid/not-actually-really-running-to-win. Sometimes joke candidates actually win! (Though not the Presidental election, not in the US) This is silly. You not disagreeing with the premise, you're just arguing about a word choice and I'm not even sure I picked the word in this case. If you've got a different word you'd rather use to describe the difference that we've both understood and appear to agree on based on context, I'm happy to use it.
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Sep 7, 2015 23:13
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Good Citizen posted:Mediaite has seriously the laziest loving right wing hack writers of any online news media. It's pathetic I don't have an opinion on the 'asked/required' question here, but since when is Mediaite right wing?  Sir Tonk posted:http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/democratic-party-and-hillary-clinton-cancel-wedding_1026071.html So in his prediction, he lists a group that includes almost half the primary field. A bold prognosticator, this William Kristol. I could see him going places.
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Sep 7, 2015 23:13
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GlyphGryph posted:In summary, I think the idea of "seriousness" is obviously pretty useless. ding ding ding! It's a pointless word in the context of elections meant to downplay dark horse candidates, just like "electability" and "radical".
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Sep 7, 2015 23:15
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richardfun posted:I don't have an opinion on the 'asked/required' question here, but since when is Mediaite right wing? Mediaite is a loose collection of writers who spend all day posting bullshit and the three very clearly conservative writers they have on staff are the hackiest hacks to ever hack
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Sep 7, 2015 23:16
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Good Citizen posted:Mediaite is a loose collection of writers who spend all day posting bullshit and the three very clearly conservative writers they have on staff are the hackiest hacks to ever hack Hmm, I might be confusing them with Media Matters. Also, with places like Breitbart, NRO and whatever Tucker Carlson's club is called floating around, that seems like a pretty bold statement to make.
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Sep 7, 2015 23:17
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Good Citizen posted:Mediaite is a loose collection of writers who spend all day posting bullshit and the three very clearly conservative writers they have on staff are the hackiest hacks to ever hack The guy who wrote the article is a hack but he's not a conservative, look at his other articles. Not everyone who criticizes something related to Hillary is a conservative -- crazy, yet true.
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Sep 7, 2015 23:18
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richardfun posted:Hmm, I might be confusing them with Media Matters. I could imagine how confusing the two would make my statement very confusing!
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Sep 7, 2015 23:18
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MrBims posted:http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-clinton-makes-voters-sign-loyalty-pledge-before-entering-event/ If I remember correctly from Game Change, these were a major factor in Obama building up his insane grassroots network. When he was a big celebrity in the party he would go around and do endorsements speeches at events for various democrats across the nation, on the condition that they collect this type of information and then eventually pass it along to his people when the time came. These kind of grassroots tactics and the online innovations were what allowed him to surprise Clinton and eventually beat her. It's not surprising that she's trying to do it right this time. Also, sometime all you Bernie donors should go check out the privacy policy on his site. It's pretty boiler plate for the most part with some populist phrasing scattered throughout, but one thing to note is that it promises to protect your information with the addendum that his campaign can pass along your contact info to organizations it deems in line with its ideals. When Bernie drops out and endorses Clinton, isn't it possible that all that sweet, sweet data will be passed along to her?
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Sep 7, 2015 23:19
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MrBims posted:http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-clinton-makes-voters-sign-loyalty-pledge-before-entering-event/ Did you bother to read the rest of the ticket?
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Sep 7, 2015 23:20
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Fish Cant Hold Gun posted:Also, sometime all you Bernie donors should go check out the privacy policy on his site. It's pretty boiler plate for the most part with some populist phrasing scattered throughout, but one thing to note is that it promises to protect your information with the addendum that his campaign can pass along your contact info to organizations it deems in line with its ideals. When Bernie drops out and endorses Clinton, isn't it possible that all that sweet, sweet data will be passed along to her? His donations are handled by ActBlue, which does fundraising for Kos and the PCCC, so if you gave money to Bernie, you're going to be getting hit up for donations to Democratic Congressional campaigns next Spring.
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Sep 7, 2015 23:21
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So Colbert's having Jeb Bush on his first show tomorrow night, but he's also having Bernie Sanders on next week. Gonna own.
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Sep 7, 2015 23:23
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Up next, Hilary tricks Bill into wearing purity ring. Hijinks ensue.
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Sep 7, 2015 23:24
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Vox Nihili posted:The guy who wrote the article is a hack but he's not a conservative, look at his other articles. Alex Griswold, formerly of the daily caller, is no political unknown to me.
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Sep 7, 2015 23:24
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MrBims posted:http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-clinton-makes-voters-sign-loyalty-pledge-before-entering-event/ It's just a commit to vote card. Everyone uses them and they aren't required to enter an event. They're literally the point of these events.
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Concerned Citizen posted:It's just a commit to vote card. Everyone uses them and they aren't required to enter an event. They're literally the point of these events.  does it...
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