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Be very careful what you wish for.
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Sep 9, 2015 08:52
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Oberleutnant posted:Please god make something actually interesting happen today. Well, I might be getting a haircut.
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Sep 9, 2015 08:52
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Oberleutnant posted:Please god make something actually interesting happen today. Paula radcliffes continuing meltdown is kind of funny if that counts
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Sep 9, 2015 08:56
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Oberleutnant posted:Please god make something actually interesting happen today. Queen reveals herself as lizard person, world ends. Also what's with "Brenda"?
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Sep 9, 2015 09:02
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Renaissance Robot posted:Queen reveals herself as lizard person, world ends. Private Eye's nickname for her.
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Sep 9, 2015 09:06
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So I was discussing THE REFUGEE CRISIS with a colleague yesterday, with predictable results. One point he made which I did struggle to counter was why it is that there is not a lot more of a global outcry for more developed middle eastern countries (e.g. The Emirates, Saudi Arabia etc) to take in more asylum seekers. I know that Europe is going to be a more attractive destination than those draconian hell holes, but is there a reason that western politicians haven't dragged them into it?
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Sep 9, 2015 09:10
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The Perfect Element posted:So I was discussing THE REFUGEE CRISIS with a colleague yesterday, with predictable results. One point he made which I did struggle to counter was why it is that there is not a lot more of a global outcry for more developed middle eastern countries (e.g. The Emirates, Saudi Arabia etc) to take in more asylum seekers. I know that Europe is going to be a more attractive destination than those draconian hell holes, but is there a reason that western politicians haven't dragged them into it? Because they're literal dictatorships and as much as the west loves staying on their good side I don't think Europe or even the US can make them do anything. If given the choice between death squads and literal slavery in he UAE I don't know which one I'd pick.
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Sep 9, 2015 09:15
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Trickjaw posted:Private Eye's nickname for her. quote:The Royal Family That's a long time to hang on to a joke.
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Sep 9, 2015 09:16
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You aren't going to pay thousands of pounds to go and build football stadiums in 40 c heat for free when germany is offering a sweet package deal.
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Sep 9, 2015 09:16
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The Perfect Element posted:So I was discussing THE REFUGEE CRISIS with a colleague yesterday, with predictable results. One point he made which I did struggle to counter was why it is that there is not a lot more of a global outcry for more developed middle eastern countries (e.g. The Emirates, Saudi Arabia etc) to take in more asylum seekers. I know that Europe is going to be a more attractive destination than those draconian hell holes, but is there a reason that western politicians haven't dragged them into it? Just yesterday, the UN was raging about that, and I also had an argument on the same point last week. As near as I can conjecture, if you are sufficiently motivated to leave a war torn hell hole like Syria, the surrounding states are no safer, with the tendrils of ISIS everywhere. To anyone fleeing Europe looks pretty drat safe and secure. You don't win though, if your opponent is anything like mine. He just said ' Why aren't they going to Muslim countries instead of Christian ones?' completely ignoring, you know, personal safety.
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Sep 9, 2015 09:18
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Renaissance Robot posted:That's a long time to hang on to a joke. most of them are still alive
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Sep 9, 2015 09:27
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Renaissance Robot posted:That's a long time to hang on to a joke. Sums up the monarchy quite well that.
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Sep 9, 2015 09:30
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TomViolence posted:Be very careful what you wish for. I'd settle for only a very minor plane crash. We've had loads this year so far, one more couldn't hurt. Just a forced landing or something.
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Sep 9, 2015 09:38
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The Perfect Element posted:So I was discussing THE REFUGEE CRISIS with a colleague yesterday, with predictable results. One point he made which I did struggle to counter was why it is that there is not a lot more of a global outcry for more developed middle eastern countries (e.g. The Emirates, Saudi Arabia etc) to take in more asylum seekers. I know that Europe is going to be a more attractive destination than those draconian hell holes, but is there a reason that western politicians haven't dragged them into it? Isn't it just the usual submissive behaviour towards the Gulf states combined with the common knowledge that these are overtly racist and closed societies that we don't expect any better of?
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Sep 9, 2015 09:40
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Oberleutnant posted:I'd settle for only a very minor plane crash. We've had loads this year so far, one more couldn't hurt. Just a forced landing or something. Well, a BA plane in Vegas has caught ahad.
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Sep 9, 2015 09:40
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A lot of people on my FB feed, all at once, have posted images saying that the refugees should go back and fight for their countries, just like are boys did in the second world war. I don't even know where to begin with em. We're such a lovely, bitter little country.
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Sep 9, 2015 09:42
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Prince John posted:Isn't it just the usual submissive behaviour towards the Gulf states combined with the common knowledge that these are overtly racist and closed societies that we don't expect any better of? Also, not a good idea to shack up with the folks funding the people you're fleeing from.
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Sep 9, 2015 09:42
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Oberleutnant posted:I'd settle for only a very minor plane crash. We've had loads this year so far, one more couldn't hurt. Just a forced landing or something. err be sure to use your newfound magical powers for good, Oberleutnant
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Sep 9, 2015 09:44
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Holy poo poo. Oberleutnant, make more, better wishes, quick
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Sep 9, 2015 09:45
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I told you so.
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Sep 9, 2015 09:45
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....Full Communism Now?
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Sep 9, 2015 09:49
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Trickjaw posted:Well, a BA plane in Vegas has caught ahad. Ahad? All helicopters are dangerous?
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Sep 9, 2015 09:50
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Pesmerga posted:Ahad? All helicopters are dangerous? Oops, northern talk. 'On fire'
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Sep 9, 2015 09:52
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The Perfect Element posted:So I was discussing THE REFUGEE CRISIS with a colleague yesterday, with predictable results. One point he made which I did struggle to counter was why it is that there is not a lot more of a global outcry for more developed middle eastern countries (e.g. The Emirates, Saudi Arabia etc) to take in more asylum seekers. I know that Europe is going to be a more attractive destination than those draconian hell holes, but is there a reason that western politicians haven't dragged them into it? As this Guardian article points out, a huge amount of refugees have gone to middle eastern countries already, although not the ones you mention: quote:More than 4 million refugees have fled Syria since the war there began in 2011. According to the UN’s refugee agency, almost 1.8 million have gone to Turkey, more than 600,000 to Jordan and 1 million to Lebanon – a country whose population is just 4 million.
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Sep 9, 2015 09:53
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lionlegs posted:As this Guardian article points out, a huge amount of refugees have gone to middle eastern countries already, although not the ones you mention: The Saudis also claim to have taken in some vast number of Syrians but have chosen not to classify them as refugees because this is more 'humane'. Naturally we shouldn't take that at face value but its probable that the 'Zero Syrians to the Gulf' claims aren't entirely accurate either.
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Sep 9, 2015 10:06
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The Perfect Element posted:So I was discussing THE REFUGEE CRISIS with a colleague yesterday, with predictable results. One point he made which I did struggle to counter was why it is that there is not a lot more of a global outcry for more developed middle eastern countries (e.g. The Emirates, Saudi Arabia etc) to take in more asylum seekers. I know that Europe is going to be a more attractive destination than those draconian hell holes, but is there a reason that western politicians haven't dragged them into it? Some countries already are doing a lot, notably Lebanon, which has 1.2m registered (and almost certainly more unregistered) refugees in a country of only 4m, and Turkey, which has taken 2m. Yes, the other gulf states should be doing a lot more (although sectarian and political tensions make it a lot more complex than simply saying "move to Saudi"), but the UK's response has been so limited and so meagre that it's hardly in a position to chastise others for not doing enough. [Edit: ^^ also good points] Niric fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Sep 9, 2015 |
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Sep 9, 2015 10:07
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quote:Two five-year-old Russian boys used spades to dig their way out of their kindergarten and set off on a mission to buy a Jaguar sports car, the Komsomolskaya Pravda daily has reported.
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Sep 9, 2015 10:11
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Barry Foster posted:A lot of people on my FB feed, all at once, have posted images saying that the refugees should go back and fight for their countries, just like are boys did in the second world war. Say that if they feel so strongly about it they should form an international brigade and go help them fight for their country, just like our boys did immediately prior to the second world war.
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Sep 9, 2015 10:24
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Renaissance Robot posted:Say that if they feel so strongly about it they should form an international brigade and go help them fight for their country, just like our boys did immediately prior to the second world war. I called them out and they changed their tack, saying 'yeah but we have to sort out our own first, and also with the huge threat of terrorism in this country letting new people in is asking for trouble' So I am wasting my time assembling an over-detailed post about how absurdly tiny the number of refugees we're taking in is, how the UK is not full up, how terrorism is vastly over-exaggerated, and more. Which is pointless, because you don't win arguments with facts.
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Sep 9, 2015 10:29
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this definitely happened
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Sep 9, 2015 10:30
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Renaissance Robot posted:That's a long time to hang on to a joke. Go discuss Uganda with yourself.
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Sep 9, 2015 10:31
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I have even less idea than usual what you're talking about Jedit Barry Foster posted:I called them out and they changed their tack, saying 'yeah but we have to sort out our own first, and also with the huge threat of terrorism in this country letting new people in is asking for trouble'  Are you loving kidding me Phoneposting so I can't adequately rant about all the reasons this is backwards, short version disaffected natives who perceive establishment prejudice against them are a bigger terror risk than foreigners who want to be safe. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Sep 9, 2015 |
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Sep 9, 2015 10:37
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Renaissance Robot posted:short version disaffected natives who perceive establishment prejudice against them are a bigger terror risk than foreigners who want to be safe. 
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Sep 9, 2015 10:46
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Jose posted:Paula radcliffes continuing meltdown is kind of funny if that counts I'm enjoying it very very much.
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Sep 9, 2015 10:47
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What's with French Separatists? Brittany?
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Sep 9, 2015 10:47
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Jedit posted:Go discuss Uganda with yourself. Sir, In light of recent discussions about the continued use of "Brenda," perhaps you can illustrate the appropriateness of hanging on to old jokes with a suitable photo. Bill O'Padd Cork, Ireland
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Sep 9, 2015 10:48
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Oberleutnant posted:What's with French Separatists? Brittany? Corsica, I imagine
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Sep 9, 2015 10:52
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baka kaba posted:But that's sort of the key to their perspective - they have strong beliefs about the way the game is meant to work, how you're meant to do things, because that's the professional roadmap they've been following. It's hard for them to be objective, and it undermines their own careers if the orthodoxy is challenged, so they come across as knee-jerk reactionaries. Especially when they shout about electability - why should anyone listen to them when they can't even gauge the electability of candidates within their own party? The people who nominated Corbyn were kicking themselves for this 'huge mistake', we've got Chuka ranting about spoiled children, Blair writing articles where he says I DON'T GET IT... why should anyone accept the political truths these people are spouting? It's fairly obvious that the electability stuff is bull and I don't even think a Labour party with dunces like Akehurst believe in it fully. IMO it's obliquely referencing that anything less than enthusiasm for austerity and capitalism (BUSINESS IS GREAT) will not be tolerated by national and international bodies (c.f. mitterand, syriza). Which is true.
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Oberleutnant posted:What's with French Separatists? Brittany? People often forget about the French Basque Country. And you've got Corsica too.
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