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quote:China should arrest people from Morgan Stanley, Merryl lynch and Goldman Sachs. Get real, do you think that a senior Chinese Bank is doing all these damages? It is orchestrated by CIA through most US giant security conpanies, simple as that. No private company can do such a damage unless is backed by a country.
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People seem to give the CIA a lot of credit but when I look into their published history mostly what I see is a lot of failed schemes and embarrassments.
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Sep 9, 2015 20:52
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Murgos posted:People seem to give the CIA a lot of credit but when I look into their published history mostly what I see is a lot of failed schemes and embarrassments. We usually only hear about the failures and embarrassments. Occasionally, they do something cool that leaks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian
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Sep 9, 2015 20:54
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It's really weird that these sorts of shills seem to simultaneously think we're on the cusp of a new Eurasian world order to the exclusion of the West and the US specifically while simultaneously believing that these countries have no agency to gently caress up entirely on their own without the US making them gently caress up.
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Sep 9, 2015 20:56
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Murgos posted:People seem to give the CIA a lot of credit but when I look into their published history mostly what I see is a lot of failed schemes and embarrassments. This is entirely on purpose. I'm not able to say much further, but I _can_ say the published history of failure is entirely by design.
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Sep 9, 2015 21:18
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Sounds like we've got a real live CIA agent posting in the thread
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Sep 9, 2015 21:43
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Its pretty obvious that having your enemies think you are highly incapable will probably make it easier to infiltrate them, plus if publish your successes they can narrow down where and who your assets are.
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Sep 9, 2015 21:48
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No, but it's a pretty clear obvious pushing of a narrative. http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Ashes-The-History-CIA/dp/0307389006 Legacy of Ashes was blatantly slanted about certain things I knew solidly to be different.
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Sep 9, 2015 21:57
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Warcabbit posted:No, but it's a pretty clear obvious pushing of a narrative. Mmmm yes okay mr CIA man.
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Sep 9, 2015 22:05
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My uncle works for Nintendo and he can verify that the CIA is up to no good.
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Sep 9, 2015 22:10
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If China wants to come over here and arrest our bankers I say let them. Ni-hao friends!
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quote:China should arrest people from Morgan Stanley, Merryl lynch and Goldman Sachs. Get real, do you think that a senior Chinese Bank is doing all these damages? It is orchestrated by CIA through most US giant security conpanies, simple as that. No private company can do such a damage unless is backed by a country. I'm sure that foreign banks are the ones selling all the A shares. Someone remind me, what's an A share?
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Sep 10, 2015 02:06
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Daduzi posted:I'm sure that foreign banks are the ones selling all the A shares. Praise the A shares
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Sep 10, 2015 02:13
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Daduzi posted:I'm sure that foreign banks are the ones selling all the A shares. A shares are domestic shares that are locked out from foreign investors, while H shares are shares traded in the Hong Kong stock market for the same company that can be bought by foreign investors. Lots of big brokerages such as Vanguard are planning to add A share exposure for emerging market funds next years.
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Sep 10, 2015 02:16
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etalian posted:A shares are domestic shares that are locked out from foreign investors We have a winner.
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Sep 10, 2015 02:28
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I wouldn't say the CIA is a total failure. It's main mission is to gather intelligence which it does a passable job of doing. Not great but not the pits either. All the direct action stuff is actually very challenging. I mean we're kind of discussing it like pulling off a coup and installing a puppet government is no big deal but it really is when you think about it. And finally their success by nature they try to keep secret. You hear about their failures but there's a selection bias.
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Sep 10, 2015 02:59
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etalian posted:A shares are domestic shares that are locked out from foreign investors, while H shares are shares traded in the Hong Kong stock market for the same company that can be Um. There was the Shanghai- Hong Kong connect which allowed foreign firms and residents to buy A shares through Hong Kong. Previously the H-index shot up like crazy because the early wave of investors bought H-shares of China company at an arbitrage
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Sep 10, 2015 03:33
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Warcabbit posted:This is entirely on purpose. I'm not able to say much further, but I _can_ say the published history of failure is entirely by design. Lol, like the CIA would be able to not brag about something.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:43
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Warcabbit posted:No, but it's a pretty clear obvious pushing of a narrative. One thing that I knew was untrue in the book was about the CIA agent who handled the AJAX operation to overthrow Mohammed Mossadeq. It said he was so solidly republican that he used "roosevelt" as a curse word. Except that's not true, because his name was Kermit Roosevelt, and the republican thing was a lie he concocted to cover his rear end when he shouted "Oh, Roosevelt!" after a flub in a tennis match. In fact, a lot of the history around AJAX feels very much like people are trying to concoct a narrative, rather than provide a complete history.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:36
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Warcabbit posted:This is entirely on purpose. I'm not able to say much further, but I _can_ say the published history of failure is entirely by design. Oh my god, they were right all along... you failed to stop 9/11 on purpose!
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Sep 10, 2015 20:36
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Another day of plummeting stocks that mysteriously shoot up back to where they started in the last half hour of trading. How much money has the CCP spent keeping this stupid stock market afloat.
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Sep 11, 2015 07:56
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Maybe they'll just decide to declare the stock market a success and close it down. 
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Sep 11, 2015 11:18
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Warcabbit posted:This is entirely on purpose. I'm not able to say much further, but I _can_ say the published history of failure is entirely by design. To clarify, when I said 'I'm not able to say much further', I was intending to say 'given public sources, this is all I can say accurately', not 'I am a secret agent and totally rad dudes'. It's something I paid attention to for a while, and it was, and presumably still is, something they were clearly attempting to push as a narrative.
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Sep 11, 2015 12:07
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Does this make the CIA the inventors of the puppetmaster defense?
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Sep 11, 2015 13:38
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I just made bad posts in order to lull my opponents into a false sense of security, then _wham!_ great post out of nowhere. Those are all hushed up by Lowtax, though, so you probably haven't heard of them.
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This is a hell of a derail, but I may as well inject some more clarity - the CIA is schizophrenic. It exists in two forms. Half of it was based off old Wild Bill's OSS agents who were a bit crazy and, er, the kind of people who get poison cigars to Fidel and think it's a good idea, and half of it was based off Harry Truman's demands for a newspaper for him that explained what was actually going on in the world. The second half is where you get all the analysts, the first half is where you get field agents. Both halves sort of hate each other and who is in control sort of varies. As you can guess, the reporting side is the one that controls the PR over the field exploits. As far as I know, there hasn't been a solid reorganization, which it probably really needs badly.
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Plus all the drone strikes these days, which seems to me to be something they really shouldn't be doing on the regular. (Should be handled by some other agency.)
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"[i posted:Precious Cargo[/i] by Dave Dewitt"]"In the 1990s," writes Arthur Allen in Slate, the online magazine, "searching for a cheap product for the export markets, Italian companies began setting up tomato-processing plants in China to produce paste, which Italian packers repackaged, slapped with 'Made in Italy; stickers, and shipped to Africa." But that backfired when the Chinese noticed, and they were quick to cut the Italians out of the African market by shipping paste directly and cutting the cost to the Africans. They also began flooding the European markets with cheap tomato paste, and in 2002, customs agents in Bari, Italy, seized 160 tons of rotting, worm-infested imported paste. The situation got so bad in 2005 that the headlines in the paper Corriere della Sera screamed: "Italy--Invaded by Chinese Tomatoes!" That year, Italian tomatoes rotted in the fields because Chinese paste had lowered the price so much that the tomatoes were not worth harvesting.
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Fall Sick and Die posted:Sounds like we've got a real live CIA agent posting in the thread Sounds like FSAD is needed as a forum admin, This seriously has nothing to do with speculation regarding PRC influence on globalist agenda, or why the real big global recession will be trumpeted from east to west, starting with the tanking of the yen. It has nothing to do with the impending cascade of economic collapse which will spare the PRC because they are not really in bed with the globalist bankers. This is an earnest plea for you to consider what a microcosm of a world becomes in the absence of your rule.
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SHCOMP down 3.20% CSI300 down 3.51%
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Jumpingmanjim posted:SHCOMP down 3.20% CSI300 down 3.51% Is this some photoshop reconstruction of that image? Because I've never seen a copy so high-quality.
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VideoTapir posted:Is this some photoshop reconstruction of that image? Because I've never seen a copy so high-quality. _Mission_Accomplished.jpg)
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SHCOMP now down 4.68%
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Well, at least it wasn't as dramatically plummeting as it was at the start of this thing.
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Another issue that isn't really talked about is how much volumes have declined in recent months in the Shanghai exchange, and that at this point the actual number of trades occurring is only a fraction of what they were even in June. Basically, either through companies delisting themselves or government decree, the Shanghai exchange has more or less has stopped functioning as it once was, and at this point probably isn't really a useful clearinghouse for prices at this point. The positive aspect of this for the government is that prices aren't falling off a cliff but it is going to keep investors out simply because no one trusts those prices. (There are some direct parallels to bitcoins here.)
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Ardennes posted:Another issue that isn't really talked about is how much volumes have declined in recent months in the Shanghai exchange, and that at this point the actual number of trades occurring is only a fraction of what they were even in June. Basically, either through companies delisting themselves or government decree, the Shanghai exchange has more or less has stopped functioning as it once was, and at this point probably isn't really a useful clearinghouse for prices at this point. The positive aspect of this for the government is that prices aren't falling off a cliff but it is going to keep investors out simply because no one trusts those prices. I suspect that lot of this is not of the radar of most Chinese retail investors. And with the authorities cracking down on "hysterical" reporting, I don't really expect Chinese business news to start talking about market warning signs. Anyone exposed to Chinese media know if they even still reporting market down days?
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ocrumsprug posted:I suspect that lot of this is not of the radar of most Chinese retail investors. And with the authorities cracking down on "hysterical" reporting, I don't really expect Chinese business news to start talking about market warning signs. I have a friend on Fulbright in Beijing right now and most people just don't know or care according to him. Basically nothing has changed, public opinion wise, since this - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/09/shanghai-stock-market-collapse_n_7759116.html
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How trustworthy is China Beige Book?
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I'm sure they are quite trustworthy, but it's as if they don't have some stake in people caring about China and seeking it out as a place to invest. Otherwise, who would care about their Beige Book or research?
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