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suffix: Jul 27, 2013; Wheeee!

Blotto Skorzany posted:

what are they checked by then

pycharm

# ? Sep 10, 2015 22:03

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 05:20

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

i like a lot of things about c++ but it seems like the community goes bonkers over a different fad every five years and also the discussion seems to focus myopically on the concerns of library writers

# ? Sep 10, 2015 22:07

multigl: Nov 22, 2005; "Who's cool and has two thumbs? This guy!"

suffix posted:

pycharm

# ? Sep 11, 2015 00:05

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

Dessert Rose posted:

in c++ you really, really want to use auto everywhere you can.

im not a fan of this, tbh

for iterators and inside range-for, yeah, absolutely, but in general i want to see the types

# ? Sep 11, 2015 00:21

Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

fritz posted:

im not a fan of this, tbh

for iterators and inside range-for, yeah, absolutely, but in general i want to see the types

sure but if you don't use auto you ~~risk~~ ensure otherwise unneeded typedefs because people are lazy and that's one more thing to janitor

# ? Sep 11, 2015 02:32

distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

can't you just mouse over auto to get the type anyway?

# ? Sep 11, 2015 10:51

VikingofRock: Aug 24, 2008

ewww, who uses a mouse when coding?

# ? Sep 11, 2015 14:49

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

lol if you don't use the mouse for debugging

# ? Sep 11, 2015 14:56

VikingofRock: Aug 24, 2008

vim/gdb is the new hipste

# ? Sep 11, 2015 14:58

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

I don't use a debugger because it fucks up concurrency too much and causes errors unless you freeze up the whole VM. Tracing is where it's at for Erlang stuff :v:

# ? Sep 11, 2015 15:23

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

fancy way of sayin "printf debugging"

# ? Sep 11, 2015 16:41

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

JawnV6 posted:

fancy way of sayin "printf debugging"

recon:trace({Module, '_', '_'}, {10,100}) will print all arguments and values for all function calls in 'Module' at a max frequency of 10 entries per 100 milliseconds. It is safe to use on production servers without performance hits. recon:trace({Module, Function, fun([A,B]) when A>B -> ok end}, 100) will return all calls to Module:Function when argument A is greater than B, for a max of 100 lines.

I don't need to set a loving breakpoint, compile, add prints statements or whatever, and I can do this poo poo remotely with custom handlers to treat my traces as data structure to filter and program around with. I safely can run this on prod servers, dump the traces to files, the terminal, or remote servers, without interrupting regular operations.

# ? Sep 11, 2015 18:20

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

MononcQc posted:

recon:trace({Module, '_', '_'}, {10,100}) will print all arguments and values for all function calls in 'Module' at a max frequency of 10 entries per 100 milliseconds. It is safe to use on production servers without performance hits. recon:trace({Module, Function, fun([A,B]) when A>B -> ok end}, 100) will return all calls to Module:Function when argument A is greater than B, for a max of 100 lines.

I don't need to set a loving breakpoint, compile, add prints statements or whatever, and I can do this poo poo remotely with custom handlers to treat my traces as data structure to filter and program around with. I safely can run this on prod servers, dump the traces to files, the terminal, or remote servers, without interrupting regular operations.

this makes me extremely jealous.

# ? Sep 11, 2015 18:31

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

MononcQc posted:

recon:trace({Module, '_', '_'}, {10,100}) will print all arguments and values for all function calls in 'Module' at a max frequency of 10 entries per 100 milliseconds. It is safe to use on production servers without performance hits. recon:trace({Module, Function, fun([A,B]) when A>B -> ok end}, 100) will return all calls to Module:Function when argument A is greater than B, for a max of 100 lines.

I don't need to set a loving breakpoint, compile, add prints statements or whatever, and I can do this poo poo remotely with custom handlers to treat my traces as data structure to filter and program around with. I safely can run this on prod servers, dump the traces to files, the terminal, or remote servers, without interrupting regular operations.

oh my god

# ? Sep 11, 2015 18:39

Ralith: Jan 12, 2011; I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today

It's amazing how much mainstream modern development has regressed in terms of debugging tools. Forth, Common Lisp, etc. all had all kinds of wonderful infrastructure like that and beyond.

# ? Sep 11, 2015 18:51

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

I wish I had that for node

# ? Sep 11, 2015 18:52

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

Ralith posted:

It's amazing how much mainstream modern development has regressed in terms of debugging tools. Forth, Common Lisp, etc. all had all kinds of wonderful infrastructure like that and beyond.

what sort of wonderful tooling did forth have

# ? Sep 11, 2015 18:53

piratepilates: Mar 28, 2004; So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it.

Symbolic Butt posted:

I wish I had that for node

I just googled it and it looks like there is some support for tracing stuff

Alternatively you can take longjohn and throw in some logging calls for tracing

piratepilates fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Sep 11, 2015

# ? Sep 11, 2015 18:54

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Ralith posted:

It's amazing how much mainstream modern development has regressed in terms of debugging tools. Forth, Common Lisp, etc. all had all kinds of wonderful infrastructure like that and beyond.

that's because the programmers got better and now we dont need tools

# ? Sep 11, 2015 19:00

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

piratepilates posted:

I just googled it and it looks like there is some support for tracing stuff

Alternatively you can take longjohn and throw in some logging calls for trading

I looked into it recently and it was complete garbage

# ? Sep 11, 2015 19:01

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

that's because the programmers got better and now we dont need tools

it's not that we don't need tools. it's that we are tools

# ? Sep 11, 2015 19:02

piratepilates: Mar 28, 2004; So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it.

Symbolic Butt posted:

I looked into it recently and it was complete garbage

well what did you expect

# ? Sep 11, 2015 19:02

Marsol0: Jun 6, 2004; No avatar. I just saved you some load time. You're welcome.

Blotto Skorzany posted:

it's not that we don't need tools. it's that we are tools

# ? Sep 11, 2015 20:02

brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

programmers today just want command line utilities with ascii art included

# ? Sep 11, 2015 20:53

MeruFM: Jul 27, 2010

fleshweasel posted:

programmers today just want command line utilities with ascii art included

code:

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# ? Sep 11, 2015 22:33

PleasureKevin: Jan 2, 2011

man i might get a job doing PHP and did a test on it and man is it bad.

it really sucks.

array_push( umm... the new item to push?, array goes here? no wait other way around ugh )

explode( surely the string to explode goes here, gently caress nope it goes here god drat it )

# ? Sep 11, 2015 22:35

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

PleasureKevin posted:

man i might get a job doing PHP and did a test on it and man is it bad.

it really sucks.

array_push( umm... the new item to push?, array goes here? no wait other way around ugh )

explode( surely the string to explode goes here, gently caress nope it goes here god drat it )

for historical reasons, implode() can accept its arguments in either order

# ? Sep 11, 2015 22:38

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

PleasureKevin posted:

man i might get a job doing PHP and did a test on it and man is it bad.

it really sucks.

array_push( umm... the new item to push?, array goes here? no wait other way around ugh )

explode( surely the string to explode goes here, gently caress nope it goes here god drat it )

taking a php job in 2015 is a really good way to stall your career and you will likely be managing some old turd of a code base

# ? Sep 11, 2015 22:39

PleasureKevin: Jan 2, 2011

ahmeni posted:

taking a php job in 2015 is a really good way to stall your career and you will likely be managing some old turd of a code base

no other offers and i'm eating onions every meal

# ? Sep 11, 2015 22:58

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

qntm posted:

for hysterical reasons, implode() can accept its arguments in either order

# ? Sep 11, 2015 23:10

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

ahmeni posted:

taking a php job in 2015 is a really good way to stall your career and you will likely be managing some old turd of a code base

it's not a bad way into your first dev job (depending on where you live, victoria is full of php shops), but definitely don't do it for more than a year or two.

really looking forward to moving on to a .net job in the next year.

# ? Sep 11, 2015 23:14

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

PleasureKevin posted:

no other offers and i'm eating onions every meal

have you considered a less degrading option such as begging or prostitution?

# ? Sep 11, 2015 23:29

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

php jobs in 2015:
- wordpress
- drupal
- mediawiki

pick your poison

in all 3 cases most of the work will be cleaning up hacks, trying to harden against hacks, and telling your boss how/why you got hacked

# ? Sep 11, 2015 23:56