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loquacius posted:Man, imagine if he really had stuck with the beta plan and made the entire comic a Flash animation. John would probably be gearing up to enter the Medium about now It also would have spelled doom for its future considering recent rumblings
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And if he'd been smart enough to axe flash entirely, he'd probably have finished years ago.
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Note to Self posted:And if he'd been smart enough to axe flash entirely, he'd probably have finished years ago. If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a ... well, actually, a corpse with wheels.
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Sep 9, 2015 19:49
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Arguing for the removal of the flashes from Homestuck is like requesting the removal of Stephen Fry from QI.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:44
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Mmmmmm, QI.
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Starting a new day -- is it better etiquette to edit a day-old post to add content, or to double-post? Vriska is often very good at analysis; she's just terrible at finding solutions to problems. Back in 2011 she had a long chat with John. Vriska posted:AG: I think the game knows it's always gonna 8e played 8y kids, and it always rigs it so they enter right around the cusp of sexual maturity, whatever the race is. Assuming she's basically right, which of the kids qualifies as matured since the beginning of the game? Unqualified yeses to Dave and Dirk, based on their conversations on LOTAK, and to John, ever since he took on responsibility after Terezi's F1X TH1S. Again judging by lilypad conversations, Roxy's done a lot of introspection and chosen to give up drinking. We have insufficient evidence on Jade, who's been asleep the whole time, and on Jane, who's been zapped since the meteor entered the new session.. I'd call Jake a clear "no", with Rose a probable no (see her temper tantrums about the various Rose-based sprites). Y'all's thoughts?
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Sep 10, 2015 18:22
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Yeah, Rose is only now properly maturing and actually confronting her flaws. Jake is an interesting case since he's confronted his own flaws and in the face of them utterly folded. I'd say Jane matured over their adventure, before all the other kids turned up and everything went to hell. She eventually learned to trust her friends and communicate with them, particularly with Roxy before they even entered and Dirk after the trickster thing. Jade is harder to place because she never had a great deal of stand-out flaws to overcome. If there's anything I'd say she has never had ambition of her own - her whole life she's been led by the nose by Skaia, then various ghosts in the dream bubbles, then the Condesce (not really her fault there) and now Calliope. Jade needs to learn to want to do something for herself. Which she might be having to confront with whatever Calliope is leading her to.
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Sep 10, 2015 18:30
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Jade has grown more independent.
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Sep 10, 2015 18:50
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Tenebrais posted:Jade is harder to place because she never had a great deal of stand-out flaws to overcome. If there's anything I'd say she has never had ambition of her own - her whole life she's been led by the nose by Skaia, then various ghosts in the dream bubbles, then the Condesce (not really her fault there) and now Calliope. Jade needs to learn to want to do something for herself. Which she might be having to confront with whatever Calliope is leading her to.
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Sep 10, 2015 18:52
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Tenebrais posted:Jade is harder to place because she never had a great deal of stand-out flaws to overcome. If there's anything I'd say she has never had ambition of her own - her whole life she's been led by the nose by Skaia, then various ghosts in the dream bubbles, then the Condesce (not really her fault there) and now Calliope. Jade needs to learn to want to do something for herself. Which she might be having to confront with whatever Calliope is leading her to. Jade is literally now part dog, so you're probably on to something.
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Sep 10, 2015 18:56
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Caliborn spent a lot of time and hard work improving his artistic abilities, even going so far as to experiment with claymation.
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Sep 10, 2015 19:07
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Caliborn spent a lot of time and hard work improving his artistic abilities, even going so far as to experiment with claymation. Caliborn has grown the most of all the characters, both in artistic skill and personal development. Not sure what that means symbolically for the story, but it's true.
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I don't honestly think he's had much personal development. He's always been determined and brute-force-y. Hussie directly states he's emotionally and physically stunted and doomed to be that way.
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Sep 10, 2015 20:36
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Dude he got Riiiiiiiiiipppped!
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Bobulus posted:I don't honestly think he's had much personal development. He's always been determined and brute-force-y. Hussie directly states he's emotionally and physically stunted and doomed to be that way. He learned to use teamwork to work with the leprechauns to solve problems, and he now considers them friends when before he found the concept to friendship disgusting. Caliborn can adapt and change to get what he wants. he's tenacious and he'll always try brute force first, but if that doesn't work he'll try something else until he finds something that does.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:He learned to use teamwork to work with the leprechauns to solve problems, and he now considers them friends when before he found the concept to friendship disgusting. sorry, nothing to do with the conversation, but I'm just kind of thinking about this sentence out of context and laughing
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Sep 10, 2015 21:28
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:he'll always try brute force first, but if that doesn't work he'll try something else until he finds something that does. Trying stuff until you find one that works is also a brute force approach.
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Sep 10, 2015 21:37
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Both Rose and Roxy overcame debilitating teenage alcoholism so I have no idea where any uncertainty as to their gaining maturity and perspective would be coming from.
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Rose needed Vriska to police her into giving up alcoholism, so I'm not sure she gets credit for that. In the non-Vriska timeline, she couldn't give it up alone.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Rose needed Vriska to police her into giving up alcoholism, so I'm not sure she gets credit for that. In the non-Vriska timeline, she couldn't give it up alone. Vriska may have provided the assist, but having dealt with alcoholism and teenage alcoholism especially in real life, I would never give full or even major credit to anyone but the individual overcoming addiction. In this work of fiction about fake teenagers. And anyway she gave equal credit to Kanaya's support as well.
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Sep 10, 2015 22:38
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Rose needed Vriska to police her into giving up alcoholism, so I'm not sure she gets credit for that. In the non-Vriska timeline, she couldn't give it up alone. I know you don't mean it like this, but that's kind of a crummy way of looking at things. "Oh you couldn't bootstrap your way out of an addiction by yourself? What a failure".
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Sep 10, 2015 22:40
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No one can do poo poo in this comic without Vriska
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Mazerunner posted:I know you don't mean it like this, but that's kind of a crummy way of looking at things. Leaving aside the alcoholism, Rose completely loses it when confronted with all the Rose-based sprites. Dave had issues with his, but didn't throw himself to the floor with a pillow over his head; same with Jade and hers. Rose also violently resists doing her quest, even though Dave, John, and Jade demonstrably made the universe better with theirs.
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Sep 10, 2015 22:46
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Ammat The Ankh posted:No one can do poo poo in this comic without Vriska John can certainly punch Vriska in the face without Vriska.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Leaving aside the alcoholism, Rose completely loses it when confronted with all the Rose-based sprites. Dave had issues with his, but didn't throw himself to the floor with a pillow over his head; same with Jade and hers. Rose also violently resists doing her quest, even though Dave, John, and Jade demonstrably made the universe better with theirs. Jade did this with her sprite. She only managed to get over this hang up when the two stopped being separate entities. Edit: Also, Dave hasn't really done much of his quest. As he put it, all he did was swindle the nakadiles out of their boondollars via the stock exchange, and then hop around the timeline doing busywork for Rose and Jade. Davesprite did more of Dave's quest, but didn't get as far as stoking the forge; that's still left to be done. Plom Bar fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Sep 10, 2015 |
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Sep 10, 2015 22:50
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Rose's main problems vis a vis her problems with authority and self-identity remain unresolved. It's not that she hasn't matured at all, but she's not really a functioning adult yet. Or rather, she's not as close to it as some of the other characters around her.
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Burkion posted:John can certainly punch Vriska in the face without Vriska. It is impossible to punch Vriska in the face without Vriska, actually.
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Plom Bar posted:Jade did this with her sprite. She only managed to get over this hang up when the two stopped being separate entities. I'm still going to say trying to slap your sprite into shape at 13 beats lying on the floor with a pillow on your head at 16. Of course, then there's the extreme adultness of a 16-year-old saying Dave posted:DAVE: jade this is STUPID Perhaps I should just say that the GAME OVER timeline showed nobody -- except Kanaya -- at his or her best. Post-GAME OVER we get this: quote:DAVE: what about your quest So whatever Dave's quest was, he's done it, or at least thinks he has. e: Or just this. Tenebrais posted:Rose's main problems vis a vis her problems with authority and self-identity remain unresolved. It's not that she hasn't matured at all, but she's not really a functioning adult yet. Or rather, she's not as close to it as some of the other characters around her.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'm still going to say trying to slap your sprite into shape at 13 beats lying on the floor with a pillow on your head at 16. More to the point, I feel, is that Jade never really "found peace" with the implications of her sprite self's existence and what that said about her role in everything. She talked about it with Karkat for a while with no resolution, and that was about it until they became the same person. And for all we know, this could actually still be a source of existential angst that simply hasn't been explored with the audience. Perhaps she and Davepetasprite still have words to mince with each other about it. I dunno. I'm of the opinion that all the kids have grown in some significant and substantial way, if perhaps not always in the most productive way. Jake's the only one I would say has experienced negative growth, though I wouldn't pin that all on him either.
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I saw someone on tumblr comment on someone else's witty own with something like,"oh my god this is so badass, you're like an irl karkat" How does someone read this entire comic and come out the other end thinking Karkat Vantas is a badass? Don't get ke wrong, he's a fun character, but the only hater he's stunted on in his entire life has been himself. The boy is thoroughly owned!
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Note to Self posted:I saw someone on tumblr comment on someone else's witty own with something like,"oh my god this is so badass, you're like an irl karkat" Karkat is ready to throw himself into fights against literal gods to help his friends just because he's loyal to them and feels it's the right thing to do pretty badass if you ask me
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Magres posted:Karkat is ready to throw himself into fights against literal gods to help his friends just because he's loyal to them and feels it's the right thing to do And then he got knocked unconscious before the battle even started.
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Magres posted:Karkat is ready to throw himself into fights against literal gods to help his friends just because he's loyal to them and feels it's the right thing to do
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Karkat is like the antithesis of a badass. He's a great character, and I loving love the shouty little bastard, but he is in no way a "badass".
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Classtoise posted:Karkat is like the antithesis of a badass. Is that an assbad? Or a goodbutt?
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Cat Mattress posted:Is that an assbad? Or a goodbutt? Butt is a synonym, not an antonym. It's goodvagina. 
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Plom Bar posted:More to the point, I feel, is that Jade never really "found peace" with the implications of her sprite self's existence and what that said about her role in everything. She talked about it with Karkat for a while with no resolution, and that was about it until they became the same person. And for all we know, this could actually still be a source of existential angst that simply hasn't been explored with the audience. Perhaps she and Davepetasprite still have words to mince with each other about it. I dunno. I forget how the chain of events went, but didn't alpha jade merge with dogsprite jade when she died and god tiered?
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Karkat absolutely deserves the title hero, but he's not a badass. He himself admitted that Kanaya and Terezi are much more badass than he is, and Kanaya wouldn't have knocked him out if she thought he could take care of himself. Karkat and Dave are Knights, and are both all about sacrificing themselves for the good of the cause. So is Vriska, even though she's a Thief. Rose and Jake both sacrificed themselves in Game Over, but they haven't sought out the opportunity in the way the Knights and Vriska have *cough suicidal cough*. Fair! I was conflating badass and heroic
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pandaK posted:I forget how the chain of events went, but didn't alpha jade merge with dogsprite jade when she died and god tiered? Yes.
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Magres posted:Fair! I was conflating badass and heroic Don't blame yourself; blame the '90s.
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