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Peanut President posted:Europe isn't in the middle of a bloody war (for once) so there's not a lot of immigration to the US of A. Yeah, only a slightly bloody one with over 2 million refugees...
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OddObserver posted:Yeah, only a slightly bloody one with over 2 million refugees... Ukraine isn't europe.
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Sep 10, 2015 21:25
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Peanut President posted:Ukraine isn't europe. Well, your mental continent map would certainly be politically-loaded, all right.
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Peanut President posted:Ukraine isn't europe. It's not in the EU (yet), but it most certainly is in Europe.
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Jaramin posted:
Wait, Berbers are not a Semitic people.
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OddObserver posted:Yeah, only a slightly bloody one with over 2 million refugees... Ukrainians have immigrated either to Russia, or to countries where there are invisible on account of a preexisting Ukr. diaspora.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:European immigration to the US hasn't had much to do with wars I don't think? Have you ever heard of a year called 1848? It and the reaction to it kept up a good flow of European immigrants for years, probably decades afterwards. By the late 1800s, of course, that wasn't nearly as much a motivating factor, but by then it wasn't Central European liberals and Irish escaping the famine moving here as much as it was Russian Jews fleeing pogroms and Italians fleeing the economic clusterfuck that was post-unificiation Southern Italy. In both mid-century and late-century immigration, even though outright war wasn't a major push factor, the places people were emigrating from were dealing with extreme amounts of repression, violence and upheaval.
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Sep 10, 2015 22:10
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Same in the earliest days of colonization when people came mostly from the parts of the HRE most affected by the 30 Year War.
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The inclusion of Puerto Rico in the map tickles my fancy. Also at work we have as gaggle of Puerto Ricans, 2 "natives" (myself included), 2 1st generation (one from NY and another from AK) and a 1st generation "Cuban Rican" (half cuban half Puerto Rican). Its the most "diverse" group of Puerto Ricans I have seen in the Coast Guard. 
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Mikl posted:It's not in the EU (yet), but it most certainly is in Europe. /pol/ disagrees 
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Tree Goat posted:/pol/ disagrees lol at Scandinavians trying to claim Eurocredentials.
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Sep 10, 2015 22:21
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Tree Goat posted:/pol/ disagrees I'm the lack of Austria.
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computer parts posted:I'm the lack of Austria.
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Tree Goat posted:/pol/ disagrees What's up with Finland, Switzerland, and Austria?
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OddObserver posted:What's up with Finland, Switzerland, and Austria? Mongrel nations without enough integrity to maintain a decent level of ethnic purity.
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Sep 10, 2015 22:31
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OddObserver posted:What's up with Finland, Switzerland, and Austria? Switzerland and Finland are filthy traitors for not being in the EU. Austria is the same for leaving NATO.
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Sep 10, 2015 22:31
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OddObserver posted:What's up with Finland, Switzerland, and Austria? my guess is "no data"
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OddObserver posted:What's up with Finland, Switzerland, and Austria? terra incognita
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steinrokkan posted:Mongrel nations without enough integrity to maintain a decent level of ethnic purity.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:European immigration to the US hasn't had much to do with wars I don't think? Well Europe was at one bloody war or other for most of its existence. You might be forgiven for thinking that because it was the regular state of affairs.
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kalstrams posted:Finland, with 89% of people there being Finnish. Well, the Finns are half Mongolian or something.
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OddObserver posted:What's up with Finland, Switzerland, and Austria? Austria is gone to prevent the Turkish refugees from reaching
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Sep 10, 2015 22:40
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Mikl posted:Switzerland and Finland are filthy traitors for not being in the EU. Austria is the same for leaving NATO. ...but Finland is in the EU...
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DarkCrawler posted:...but Finland is in the EU... That's what these Russian sleeper agents want you to think.
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/pol/ is weird.
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steinrokkan posted:lol at Scandinavians trying to claim Eurocredentials.  DarkCrawler posted:Well Europe was at one bloody war or other for most of its existence. You might be forgiven for thinking that because it was the regular state of affairs. Ofaloaf posted:Have you ever heard of a year called 1848? It and the reaction to it kept up a good flow of European immigrants for years, probably decades afterwards. By the late 1800s, of course, that wasn't nearly as much a motivating factor, but by then it wasn't Central European liberals and Irish escaping the famine moving here as much as it was Russian Jews fleeing pogroms and Italians fleeing the economic clusterfuck that was post-unificiation Southern Italy. In both mid-century and late-century immigration, even though outright war wasn't a major push factor, the places people were emigrating from were dealing with extreme amounts of repression, violence and upheaval.
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Ofaloaf posted:Have you ever heard of a year called 1848? It and the reaction to it kept up a good flow of European immigrants for years, probably decades afterwards. By the late 1800s, of course, that wasn't nearly as much a motivating factor, but by then it wasn't Central European liberals and Irish escaping the famine moving here as much as it was Russian Jews fleeing pogroms and Italians fleeing the economic clusterfuck that was post-unificiation Southern Italy. In both mid-century and late-century immigration, even though outright war wasn't a major push factor, the places people were emigrating from were dealing with extreme amounts of repression, violence and upheaval. People who left because of the 48 and 49 revolutions tended to be more educated and politically active than most, they weren't your average immigrants, most German immigrants were poorer, less well-educated farmers and Germans and Irish mostly left because of horrible economic conditions during and after the 1840s. People shouldn't underestimate how much of a shithole somewhere like western Ireland or Southern Italy were for pretty much all of the 19th century. Escape was often simply a necessity for not starving to death. Finally the Jewish story is interesting but all things considered they didn't make up a whole lot of the raw mass of immigrants. You had a fair few more people immigrating from Scandanavia which was one of the most peaceful places in the world at the time (though some German Danes left because of oppression in Germany). khwarezm fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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khwarezm posted:Finally the Jewish story is interesting but all things considered they didn't make up a whole lot of the raw mass of immigrants. You had a fair few more people immigrating from Scandanavia which was one of the most peaceful places in the world at the time (though some German Danes left because of oppression in Germany).
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I find it incredibly hard to believe that there was not a single Turkish, Greek, Egyptian, or Arabian victim of 9/11. Hell in NYC of all places I'd be astounded if you could pick out ~2.5k people at random without filling out most of a map from their backgrounds.
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It's about citizenship not background
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As we all know, the Pentagon has long been infiltrated by reptilians, some of whom died on 9/11. Yet the map does not include the lower fourth dimension. Clearly a conspiracy theory, to make us think that the reptilians are clever and powerful enough to protect their agents from harm. Don't believe the hype! They were just as blindsided as we were. A map of their infiltration point, which you will notice also does not appear on the official version of that blue-and-red one. Ponsonby Britt fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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khwarezm posted:People shouldn't underestimate how much of a shithole somewhere like western Ireland or Southern Italy were for pretty much all of the 19th century. Escape was often simply a necessity for not starving to death. Ireland has one of the fastest growing populations in Europe, and it is still almost 2 million lower than the pre-famine population. That's how extensive the famine was- I'm hard pressed to think of many other areas that had higher populations in the 19th century than in the 20th or 21st.
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Kavak posted:Ireland has one of the fastest growing populations in Europe, and it is still almost 2 million lower than the pre-famine population. That's how extensive the famine was- I'm hard pressed to think of many other areas that had higher populations in the 19th century than in the 20th or 21st. Tbf there are almost two million people in Northern Ireland, so the population is actually almost the same as in the 19th century.
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Honj Steak posted:Tbf there are almost two million people in Northern Ireland, so the population is actually almost the same as in the 19th century. Population was over 8 million pre-Famine. Current population is about 6.3 million including the north.
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Kavak posted:Population was over 8 million pre-Famine. Current population is about 6.3 million including the north. Wikipedia says it was only "over 6.5 million" in 1841.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis edit: ah only "the 26 counties which would later form the Republic". Sorry, my bad. Honj Steak fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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Kavak posted:Ireland has one of the fastest growing populations in Europe, and it is still almost 2 million lower than the pre-famine population. That's how extensive the famine was- I'm hard pressed to think of many other areas that had higher populations in the 19th century than in the 20th or 21st. I think its actually one of the only countries on Earth that has a lower population now than it did in the mid nineteenth century. and it wasn't just the famine, Ireland kept up a rate of emigration far higher than its population could support up until the 1950s, the population was continually sliding downwards, look:  At least somewhere like Germany or Italy tended to be able to replace its immigrants with strong population growth at home, not in Ireland, even given our reputation for fecundity. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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khwarezm posted:I think its actually one of the only countries on Earth that has a lower population now than it did in the mid nineteenth century. That's pretty interesting actually. I can't even think of any other candidates for that. Maybe some tiny Pacific islands?
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khwarezm posted:I think its actually one of the only countries on Earth that has a lower population now than it did in the mid nineteenth century. What are the others?
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