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So far we haven't seen Roy's sword effect or Durkon's soul managing to break out of his bonds. I'd count on either of these things happening before any of the others arrive. Then again, it doesn't feel like the vampire has been with the party that long and it's too early for him to be defeated - then again he probably served his purpose.
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Colonel Cool posted:I dunno about this fight Roy... if you keep getting level drained then another domination is going to work at some point. I think you get immunity to domination from a given creature for 24 hours after you pass a save? Maybe I'm misremembering though.
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Sep 11, 2015 16:25
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fool_of_sound posted:I think you get immunity to domination from a given creature for 24 hours after you pass a save? Maybe I'm misremembering though.
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Sep 11, 2015 16:37
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So Roy's 50/50 on supernaturally-aided jumping working in his favor.
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Sep 11, 2015 16:52
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fool_of_sound posted:I think you get immunity to domination from a given creature for 24 hours after you pass a save? Maybe I'm misremembering though. In RAW, Dominate is reusable as many times as the vampire has standard actions and saving just wastes that one action. Belkar's also been Dominated more than once per 24 hours already, the first jump overboard command and the one after he stabs Durkula happen quite close together. I doubt that Rich will include it though, there's not really any reasonable thing Durkula can say to Roy at this point to stop him attacking and even when he had a semi-legitimate justification it failed. The only way I could see it working is if right before Roy strikes the final blow Durkula goes "Wait, don't you know that you can't raise a vampire" and uses that to dominate him into not attacking by making him think that it will kill real Durkon permanently.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:25
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Taciturn Tactician posted:In RAW, Dominate is reusable as many times as the vampire has standard actions and saving just wastes that one action. Belkar's also been Dominated more than once per 24 hours already, the first jump overboard command and the one after he stabs Durkula happen quite close together. Belkar didn't make his save either time, though. Looking at the SRD though, I don't see any mention of the 24 hour thing on either the vampire page or the Dominate Person spell description. And just narratively speaking, if that was a rule that was in play, it probably would've been mentioned during their banter about the domination attempt.
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Sep 11, 2015 17:42
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Malak specifically mentioned his dominate ability being unlimited during his battle with Durkon.
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Sep 11, 2015 18:40
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What is this spider walking and is it some class feature for vamps?
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Sep 11, 2015 19:45
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Rygar201 posted:Malak specifically mentioned his dominate ability being unlimited during his battle with Durkon. He does say "even if it only works on the weak willed", though. So it might be just that "you can use it as many times as you want on people who fail the save". e: Parts Kit posted:What is this spider walking and is it some class feature for vamps?
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Sep 11, 2015 20:10
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Parts Kit posted:What is this spider walking and is it some class feature for vamps? Basic cleric spell.
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Sep 11, 2015 20:11
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Taciturn Tactician posted:For some reason vampires can walk on any surface as if they had cast Spider climb. Personally I don't remember that part of Dracula, but maybe it's supposed to be in theme with the "hanging upside down from the ceiling" thing. Actually one of the first nights that Harker is in the castle he sees Dracula climb down the sheer wall like a spider.
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Sep 11, 2015 20:19
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Rygar201 posted:Basic cleric spell. True, but vampires get it at all times. They can just walk up walls and ceilings, no problem.
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Sep 11, 2015 20:24
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Colander Crotch posted:Actually one of the first nights that Harker is in the castle he sees Dracula climb down the sheer wall like a spider. Yep. Dracula in the original does a lot of things we no longer necessarily associate with vampires today! Here's the passage: quote:As I leaned from the window my eye was caught by something moving a storey below me, and somewhat to my left, where I imagined, from the order of the rooms, that the windows of the Count’s own room would look out. The window at which I stood was tall and deep, stone-mullioned, and though weatherworn, was still complete; but it was evidently many a day since the case had been there. I drew back behind the stonework, and looked carefully out. I guess Lizard Climb (Su) didn't strike the 3.5 designers as so snappy.
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Sep 11, 2015 20:57
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If you haven't read it, Dracula is actually a really good book that holds up well today. It's free on Project Gutenberg, and not hard to find in physical form.
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Taciturn Tactician posted:For some reason vampires can walk on any surface as if they had cast Spider climb. Personally I don't remember that part of Dracula, but maybe it's supposed to be in theme with the "hanging upside down from the ceiling" thing. 
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Sep 11, 2015 22:15
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Dracula also walks around in the sun, if memory serves.
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Pope Guilty posted:Dracula also walks around in the sun, if memory serves. He does! He also has the mentality of a child due to his eternal state of un-life. Lots of things that worked their way out of the vampire mythos over time, in Dracula.
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Sep 11, 2015 22:33
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Pope Guilty posted:Dracula also walks around in the sun, if memory serves. Vampire lore is really just a combination of various pop culture fads either incorporating or exiling certain powers. IIRC, in the novel, the sun merely kept Dracula from using his black magic, like shape shifting, but the German 1922 movie Nosferatu included sunlight outright killing vampires, probably because it made for a really cool effect for the time. Or how the wooden stake went from merely incapacitating a vampire to basically becoming their Achilles heel. And I don't think native soil and running water ever coming up anymore. Thinking about it, a lot of the classical magical properties of Vampire powers have fallen to the wayside with time, as they became more and more a a viral infection that turns you into a superhuman instead of a magical curse.
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Sep 11, 2015 23:00
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I kind of like how in The Dresden Files there are four different types of vampires, one type of which has the traditional weaknesses...who are now all but extinct because Stoker spilled the beans on 'em.
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Sep 11, 2015 23:04
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It's double plus funny because it's heavily implied that a rival flavor of vampires manipulated Stoker into writing Dracula anyway.
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Sep 11, 2015 23:28
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My favorite vampire weakness is spilling a bag of rice to force them to lose time as they'll be compelled to count each grain. Who said Sesame Street didn't do serious research into the vampire mythos?
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Sep 11, 2015 23:44
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I wonder if OCD medication is effective on vampires.
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Cat Mattress posted:My favorite vampire weakness is spilling a bag of rice to force them to lose time as they'll be compelled to count each grain. Who said Sesame Street didn't do serious research into the vampire mythos? I thought it was mustard seeds.
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Sep 11, 2015 23:51
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Cat Mattress posted:My favorite vampire weakness is spilling a bag of rice to force them to lose time as they'll be compelled to count each grain. I liked the episode of the X-Files where Mulder pulled that on a vampire he was trying to escape from and the kid was like, "God dammit! You are SO dead when I'm done with this!" 
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Cat Mattress posted:My favorite vampire weakness is spilling a bag of rice to force them to lose time as they'll be compelled to count each grain. Who said Sesame Street didn't do serious research into the vampire mythos? Dr McNinja does that, on phone so I can't link. BTW for the person looking for a good ootsy strip, Dr McN is fantastically intricate, absurd and very funny.
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Sep 12, 2015 00:29
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On fighting a battle of Attrition with Durkula. Dukula has regeneration. Every time Roy does not hit him he gets more and more hp back. Added on he can turn any spell he wants to into an inflict wounds to heal himself more if needed.
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sebmojo posted:Dr McNinja does that, on phone so I can't link. dr mcninja is ending after the current comic finishes 
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Sep 12, 2015 00:59
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ColdPie posted:If you haven't read it, Dracula is actually a really good book that holds up well today. It's free on Project Gutenberg, and not hard to find in physical form. It really is. I read both Dracula and Frankenstein a few years back and found the former to be a much more enjoyable and timeless read.
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MonsterEnvy posted:On fighting a battle of Attrition with Durkula. Dukula has regeneration. Every time Roy does not hit him he gets more and more hp back. Added on he can turn any spell he wants to into an inflict wounds to heal himself more if needed. A long fight favors Durkula strategically too, since his objective isn't to kill Roy, but to survive until the demigods' votes are tallied.
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Sep 12, 2015 01:25
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sebmojo posted:Dr McNinja does that, on phone so I can't link. I jumped off McNinja around the time he was playing Legends of the Hidden Temple
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W.T. Fits posted:I liked the episode of the X-Files where Mulder pulled that on a vampire he was trying to escape from and the kid was like, "God dammit! You are SO dead when I'm done with this!" Also the best x files episode.
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Sep 12, 2015 02:12
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Proper vampire folklore is absurd because it was invented on the spur of the moment by panicking mobs or superstitious hedging your bets at random. Maybe Roy will have to defeat Nokrud by eating his heart. Nokrud has also wasted a lot of power on taking out his fellow clerics, while Roy's still fresh.
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My favorite vampire weakness is garlic. It's been around all your life so it seems fine until you really think about it. Back, foul fiend! The power of root vegetables compels you!
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Len posted:I jumped off McNinja around the time he was playing Legends of the Hidden Temple I tend to check it every couple months, since it updates often enough that I can do a satisfying splurge if I don't check regularly.
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fool_of_sound posted:I tend to check it every couple months, since it updates often enough that I can do a satisfying splurge if I don't check regularly. i just caught up now, thanks for the reminder. It's an amazing piece of work, not least for how all the deranged pieces fit together.
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sebmojo posted:Dr McNinja does that, on phone so I can't link. Dr McNinja got started here in the forums, in artist battles in GBS.
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Android Blues posted:Yep. Dracula in the original does a lot of things we no longer necessarily associate with vampires today! Here's the passage: Angel also spider climbed around buildings on the TV show of the same name, although I didn't realize it until it got brought up here.
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Pope Guilty posted:Given that it can only be cast by the high priest of a god, I would figure on Summon Proxy being a granted ability rather than coming out of one's spell levels. That's what I figured. Or, since in D&D rules the deity grants the spells to each cleric when they get their daily allotment, it might just be a level one or even level zero spell that is only granted when the deity in question knows there is a need for it or wants that cleric to summon a proxy.
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The biggest thing you need to now about D&D vampires is they are broken as gently caress oh my god. They have a +8 level adjustment. You wanna be a vampire? In a campaign where everyone else starts at level ten you would be level two.
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The incredibly boring way for this to go would be for Durkula to divine power and then full attack Roy. A couple rounds and 5 hits later Roy is down 10 levels.
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