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Peztopiary
Mar 16, 2009

by exmarx

Nessus posted:

I am uncertain, first, in my proper understanding of Sanders Thought; second, in my acceptance of Sanders Thought; thirdly, in my willingness to put Sanders Thought to work in my life; fourthly, in my willingness to put Sanders Thought to work in my factory or kolkhoz; fifthly, in my willingness to spread Sanders Thought within the nation; sixthly, in my willingness to spread Sanders Thought outside of the nation; and finally, in my own moral weakness, to not have worked to remedy these deficiencies in my dedication to Sanders Thought without assistance.

More seriously I seem to agree or at least mostly agree with every platform plank he's advanced and I intend to vote for him in the primaries, but the incessant Bernie drumbeat in my own media environment is making me sick of his drat face and also making me feel like, as President, he will just give his same ol' fuckin speech each and every day and that is all anyone will ever want him to do.

Stop paying attention to his shitbag supporters. It makes his messaging much more inspiring when you pretend the people who are most inclined to listen aren't pedants.

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Boosted_C5
Feb 16, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 5 years!
Grimey Drawer

jerk1000 posted:

trump is on fallon right now

LOL at anyone who watched that and still thinks Trump can't beat stiffs like JEB! or Hillary Clinton.

crazy eights
Aug 23, 2015

by Lowtax

Boosted_C5 posted:

LOL at anyone who watched that and still thinks Trump can't beat stiffs like JEB! or Hillary Clinton.

Got a link I can't find it in the tube

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009
Bernie, like Jesus, is fantastic, but like Jesus, his followers are the worst and the more die-hard, the worse they are.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

The X-man cometh posted:

Bernie, like Jesus, is fantastic, but like Jesus, his followers are the worst and the more die-hard, the worse they are.

Also, socialist Jewish carpenter.

Sinnlos
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about believing in magical rainbow gold

Trump tells it like it is and isnt good with minorities despite claiming otherwise

Bernie tells it like it is and isnt good with minorities despite claiming otherwise

Sinnlos
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about believing in magical rainbow gold

I'm very excited for 2 old white men to face off for control of America yet again

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

aBagorn posted:

The part where HRC is +7 without Biden and Bern is +3 (the other 2% went to Webb and "Don't know"

Are you talking about table 2 for question 3 and 3a? Because that first column is no longer totals and becomes "Does have a college degree"

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
The real fun of that poll is parts 68 on where their trustworthiness, domestic leadership, foreign leadership, and cares about me qualities are polled. Bernie beats Hillary by 24 for honesty and 7 for cares about me. Hillary wins domestic by 16 and foreign by 24.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Sinnlos posted:

Trump tells it like it is and isnt good with minorities despite claiming otherwise

Bernie tells it like it is and isnt good with minorities despite claiming otherwise

Well, there might be a slight difference between the guy who thinks Mexicans are rapists and the guy who has the best racial/economic justice platform of anybody in the race.

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

Jewel Repetition posted:

Well, there might be a slight difference between the guy who thinks Mexicans are rapists and the guy who has the best racial/economic justice platform of anybody in the race.

wait I thoguht those were the game guy

Sinnlos
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about believing in magical rainbow gold

Bernie "No War But Class War" Sanders

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
Bernie "Black Lives Matter" Sanders

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib

Sinnlos posted:

I'm very excited for 2 old white men to face off for control of America yet again

the vast majority of people who snidely whinge and handwring about this are extremely and embarrassingly white

somehow i doubt sinnlos is an exception

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
A number of black/hispanic/other minorities have literally told me that it'd probably be for the best if we had a white president again because America is so loving racist they can't handle a black dude so as good a guy as he is, Obama can't really achieve anything solely due to his race.

It's pretty hosed up.

Sinnlos
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about believing in magical rainbow gold

Brannock posted:

the vast majority of people who snidely whinge and handwring about this are extremely and embarrassingly white

somehow i doubt sinnlos is an exception

Hello something awful forums poster brannock, fyi I have the complexion of mayonnaise.

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.
To derail race chat, I want to say that the CNN kiddie table debate is probably going to be the last one. That means you get to see Santorum, Jindal, and Graham try to out-shriek each other to get up to 2% in the polls before the next debate while George Pataki stands there utterly dumbfounded.

It's going to be incredible TV.

Sinnlos
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about believing in magical rainbow gold

Sinnlos posted:

Hello something awful forums poster brannock, fyi I have the complexion of mayonnaise.

please keep in mind that this does not invalidate my complaint that Bernie tends to frame things in regards to class-based issues while Hillary has an actual track record of working with minorities.

Sinnlos
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about believing in magical rainbow gold

skaboomizzy posted:

To derail race chat, I want to say that the CNN kiddie table debate is probably going to be the last one. That means you get to see Santorum, Jindal, and Graham try to out-shriek each other to get up to 2% in the polls before the next debate while George Pataki stands there utterly dumbfounded.

It's going to be incredible TV.

It makes me sad the Graham Crackers will not be a thing.

Teddybear
May 16, 2009

Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!


skaboomizzy posted:

To derail race chat, I want to say that the CNN kiddie table debate is probably going to be the last one. That means you get to see Santorum, Jindal, and Graham try to out-shriek each other to get up to 2% in the polls before the next debate while George Pataki stands there utterly dumbfounded.

It's going to be incredible TV.

What are the odds Santorum tries to out Graham to build social conservative momentum? I'm honestly kinda surprised they haven't yet.

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib

Sinnlos posted:

please keep in mind that this does not invalidate my complaint that Bernie tends to frame things in regards to class-based issues while Hillary has an actual track record of working with minorities.

lol

smh

Sinnlos
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about believing in magical rainbow gold


Hello fellow white man that I cannot confirm the skin color of b/c we are on the internet

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Jewel Repetition posted:

Bernie "Black Lives Matter?" Sanders

His attempts at tying institutional racism to economic disenfranchisement fell flat because he had no literacy whatsoever on racism. Sure, once he figured out that race was an issue, he made some positive changes, but much like a runner suffering a sprain off the blocks, he's struggling. It's textbook politicking tactics - answer the question you wish you were asked instead of the one you actually were asked, shift the conversation to where your strengths are. He's a Vermonter trying to converse about poo poo he's so far separated from in space and time. So he says "no, it's actually all about money and opportunity" like a garden variety Republican except he's talking about reversing wealth inequality rather than exacerbating it.

I mean, now he's got people who can talk about race for him so it's been papered over, but wheeling out the "marched with MLK/goldwater girl" line has a sort of Streisand effect where it points out that it's all he's got when it comes to that conversation and he's literally commandeered African Americans to do the heavy lifting for him.

FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Sep 12, 2015

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Sinnlos posted:

please keep in mind that this does not invalidate my complaint that Bernie tends to frame things in regards to class-based issues while Hillary has an actual track record of working with minorities.

That's a narrative with no substance and I don't have the energy to show why this time.

Peztopiary
Mar 16, 2009

by exmarx

Teddybear posted:

What are the odds Santorum tries to out Graham to build social conservative momentum? I'm honestly kinda surprised they haven't yet.

Zero, or near-as as makes no difference. Graham (if he even is gay, you'd think we'd have seen someone come forward by now) is exactly the kind of gay the Republicans want the rest of us to be.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Jewel Repetition posted:

That's a narrative with no substance and I don't have the energy to show why this time.

How will you feel in three months when every elected official in the party is doing the same thing? good luck

crazy eights
Aug 23, 2015

by Lowtax
LOL at white liberals. gently caress off

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.
I shouted "Jeb!" at my cat to get him off of the dining room chair he was sitting on. The cat did not respond. Make of this what you will.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

skaboomizzy posted:

I shouted "Jeb!" at my cat to get him off of the dining room chair he was sitting on. The cat did not respond. Make of this what you will.

Your cat told you not to yell behind his ears like that.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Has the GOP establishment returned to loving Trump yet, and/or is he still way ahead of all the other potential GOP candidates in the polls?

What is a realistic outcome of Trump being runaway popular with voters but not having the support of the RNC, electors, Koch Brothers, etc.? Is it even mechanically possible for him to be elected at that point?

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.

Nietzschean posted:

Has the GOP establishment returned to loving Trump yet, and/or is he still way ahead of all the other potential GOP candidates in the polls?

What is a realistic outcome of Trump being runaway popular with voters but not having the support of the RNC, electors, Koch Brothers, etc.? Is it even mechanically possible for him to be elected at that point?

Once Trump has proven he can hold on to a chunk of the plebes, the money-machine will follow him. This is closer to happening than you might think.

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009
Trump skit on Fallon http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/donald-trump-jimmy-fallon-tonight-1201591439/

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

Nietzschean posted:

Has the GOP establishment returned to loving Trump yet, and/or is he still way ahead of all the other potential GOP candidates in the polls?

What is a realistic outcome of Trump being runaway popular with voters but not having the support of the RNC, electors, Koch Brothers, etc.? Is it even mechanically possible for him to be elected at that point?

Sept 11 Quinnipiac poll.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/iowa/release-detail?ReleaseID=2278

Edit: actually the poll itself was conducted from Aug 27 to Sept 8th. Sept 11 is the release date on the website.

Edit2: Actually linked a couple pages ago! E:f,b like Megan Kelly spanked by Trump. :negative:

Helical Nightmares fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Sep 12, 2015

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Raskolnikov38 posted:

Are you talking about table 2 for question 3 and 3a? Because that first column is no longer totals and becomes "Does have a college degree"

You should really read that again. Table 1 in both cases.

Question 3 (with Biden in):

Clinton 40
Biden 12
Sanders 41

Question 3A (Biden out):

Clinton 47
Sanders 44

So of Biden's 12%, 7% went to Hillary, 3% to Bernie, and 1% each to OMalley and "don't know."

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Sinnlos posted:

please keep in mind that this does not invalidate my complaint that Bernie tends to frame things in regards to class-based issues while Hillary has an actual track record of working with minorities.

Yeah, weird how this Vermont politician doesn't have much of a history working with minorities.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

skaboomizzy posted:

I shouted "Jeb!" at my cat to get him off of the dining room chair he was sitting on. The cat did not respond. Make of this what you will.

He is not the Muad'Dib.

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."
Expected more fanfare about Rick Perry's glasses dropping out of the race, found more Sanders/Clinton slap-fighting.

Gooooons :argh:

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

FAUXTON posted:

He is not the Muad'Dib.

I'm guessing this will probably affect his polling numbers amongst the Fremen?

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

crazy eights posted:

LOL at white liberals. gently caress off

Sorry but everyone in this thread, including you, is a white liberal.

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Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
Did this thread get linked in the D&D thread or something?

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