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FIDEL CASHFLOW
Oct 13, 2009

Obstacle2 posted:

legit question, why do people stay in the guard?

i'm reserve side but I have no idea

and I was guard, went irr, then transferred back because i'm a giant idiot

done in april tho

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Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Mustang posted:

Why would you ever need to have a APFT at 0330, especially for a mere 7 soldiers. Where do orders like that come from? 80 dudes takes like maybe an hour and a half tops, easily done during normal PT time, maybe forming up 30 mins early.

well sir why would you need to clean up all the pinecones in a forest (putting them in trashbags for disposal) or sweep the sand off a street with rakes for a whole week only to have a streetsweeper swing by at the very end, nullifying all you have done

if you have an answer to those questions maybe you have a bright future in the command team in the 82d

the ol pump-n-bump
Jul 27, 2004

by Smythe
Why do we sweep this parking lot?


because its the right thing to do

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



PBRstreetgang posted:

Why do chip the ice out of the parking lot in the middle of the winter in the goddamn arctic?


because its the right thing to do

all apologies
May 13, 2008

woah
i just feel like the guard is all the things i hated about AD

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!


This. loving this.

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

During our bike ride we ended up skimming past the nat'l guard armory, it must have been drill weekend.

Buddy of mine ended up blowing a tire, pretty loud pop and as me and three other cyclists were standing around watching him change his tire tube out, some PFC with a medic pack came up on us, running full bore shouting "WHERE'S THE PATIENT IS EVERYONE ALRIGHT!?" Dude thought someone got blasted mid ride and was all excited to use his sweet medic skills. I found out it was literally his first drill, and as he walked back into a group of what I would only assume were seasoned specialists I heard one say: "way to be a fag"

I miss the guard.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
Are the OEF multicams as comfortable as they look? They look like they're made out of a different fabric than standard ACUs/OCPs.

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
They're the flame-resistant fabric. They're like wearing pajamas and are super comfy.

Stanley Goodspeed
Dec 26, 2005
What, the feet thing?



Is it the same as the flame retardant ACUs? That stuff was great in the cold-rear end Afghan winter but felt like the heaviest, most uncomfortable poo poo the other times.

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

MurderBot posted:

During our bike ride we ended up skimming past the nat'l guard armory, it must have been drill weekend.

Buddy of mine ended up blowing a tire, pretty loud pop and as me and three other cyclists were standing around watching him change his tire tube out, some PFC with a medic pack came up on us, running full bore shouting "WHERE'S THE PATIENT IS EVERYONE ALRIGHT!?" Dude thought someone got blasted mid ride and was all excited to use his sweet medic skills. I found out it was literally his first drill, and as he walked back into a group of what I would only assume were seasoned specialists I heard one say: "way to be a fag"

I miss the guard.

we had a drugged up dude drive into the side of the armory once, which is filled with about 60 emt-basic or paramedics.

we made drat sure not to tell a soul that we were so, since no one wanted to take responsibility for a drugged up shitbag in a poo poo city

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Stanley Goodspeed posted:

Is it the same as the flame retardant ACUs? That stuff was great in the cold-rear end Afghan winter but felt like the heaviest, most uncomfortable poo poo the other times.

Yeah they're a bit much in the summertime, but once you get them nice and broken in to the point where every NCO you pass complains about them then they're comfy as poo poo.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
I might have to grab a pair or two since they don't phase out until 2019, there's usually a ton of surplus ones at Commandos and Ranger Joes sells brand new ones though I don't know how much they cost.

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

we had a drugged up dude drive into the side of the armory once, which is filled with about 60 emt-basic or paramedics.

we made drat sure not to tell a soul that we were so, since no one wanted to take responsibility for a drugged up shitbag in a poo poo city

hah, that's the "well I didn't notice anything even though it happened 10 hours ago, I can't believe the dude ran into the side of the building because I was totally PMCS'ing a humvee."

all apologies
May 13, 2008

woah
any of you guys who got out just feel like burnt out and dont feel like doing a loving thing? its been a few months but drat im just like fuckit

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



That's how I was when I first got out. I arrived down here right after the semester started, so I had a few months to just enjoy life and not worry about doing anything before heading back to school. It's good to cool your heels for a bit, but don't get locked into it.

e:

Whipped Buttcheeks posted:

Being active around good people goes a long way.

This, a thousand times this.

Icon Of Sin fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Sep 13, 2015

Whipped Buttcheeks
Jul 25, 2007
Chairborne Ranger
Yeah, I had that for awhile in between AD stints. Find something you enjoy and throw yourself at it. Join a softball team or outdoors group or whatever floats your boat. Being active around good people goes a long way.

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]
Lol I started working full time the day after I separated and haven't taken a vacation longer than 5 days since then ._.

RichieHimself
May 27, 2004

No way dude, she looks like Gargamel.

all apologies posted:

any of you guys who got out just feel like burnt out and dont feel like doing a loving thing? its been a few months but drat im just like fuckit

poo poo yeah, I lived in Canada for a year and a half after I got out and just chilled while I tried to figure out what I want to be when I grow up.

As good as not doing anything feels, getting started on school and figuring your life out feels even better.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Getting a normal job will give you an even greater appreciation for how dumb the military is.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

psydude posted:

Getting a normal job will give you an even greater appreciation for how dumb the military is.

You'll also gain an appreciation for how dumb corporate work can be.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Getting out and getting started right on my GI Bill was the perfect thing to do that I would recommend for everyone. Take a normal full time course load, don't go ape poo poo and take a gazillion credits. It's enough to keep you busy and working on a goal so you have something to 'organize' your life for lack of a better term. The change into civvie life can be problematic, having something to work on really helped me and realistically a full regular course load is enough free time to straighten out the rest of your life and adjust to the changes. Peep yoga pants, laugh at people who are 'literally going to die' because they have homework, get paid to get a free degree and get used to life that isn't in adult daycare.

Go to a real college though, if you go to University of Pheonix online I will personally kick you in the dick over the internet.

Obstacle2
Dec 21, 2004
feels good man

SumYungGui posted:

Getting out and getting started right on my GI Bill was the perfect thing to do that I would recommend for everyone. Take a normal full time course load, don't go ape poo poo and take a gazillion credits. It's enough to keep you busy and working on a goal so you have something to 'organize' your life for lack of a better term. The change into civvie life can be problematic, having something to work on really helped me and realistically a full regular course load is enough free time to straighten out the rest of your life and adjust to the changes. Peep yoga pants, laugh at people who are 'literally going to die' because they have homework, get paid to get a free degree and get used to life that isn't in adult daycare.

I second the sentiment that using the GI Bill is a great way to give yourself some direction but I don't necessarily agree that taking a full time course load is the way to go for two reasons.

For one, its the least efficent way to use your GI Bill. Any credits taken over a full course load don't increase the amount of time they dock from your Post 9/11 so you can essentially make it go farther. Also, taking just over half-time credits will get you full time housing allowance while also not using up what would be the equivalent of a full semester on the Post 9/11.
So taking whatever is full time gives you the least amount of time and the least amount of money.

Secondly, I wasn't ready for a full course load when I got out and I was overwhelmed and basically wasted a semester. My advice would be to start slow, get used to using your brain again (something the majority of us didn't have to do in the army) and then once you feel comfortable start taking more courses.

And please don't be the guy that constantly raises his hand to give answers that say "As a veteran..." or "When I was in Iraq..."
It's obnoxious as hell even if no one has the guts to tell you.

SumYungGui posted:

Go to a real college though, if you go to University of Pheonix online I will personally kick you in the dick over the internet.

Online colleges are a total scam, and to a lesser extent online courses at an actual university can kind of suck too. Admittedly I've taken a bunch to fulfill requirements but I regret it and being engaged in a real class is 100 times more enjoyable. Its also where you meet people and make friends that aren't veterans.

Obstacle2 fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Sep 13, 2015

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:

You'll also gain an appreciation for how dumb corporate work can be.

But you can always quit.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Obstacle2 posted:

I second the sentiment that using the GI Bill is a great way to give yourself some direction but I don't necessarily agree that taking a full time course load is the way to go for two reasons.

For one, its the least efficent way to use your GI Bill. Any credits taken over a full course load don't increase the amount of time they dock from your Post 9/11 so you can essentially make it go farther. Also, taking just over half-time credits will get you full time housing allowance while also not using up what would be the equivalent of a full semester on the Post 9/11.
So taking whatever is full time gives you the least amount of time and the least amount of money.

Secondly, I wasn't ready for a full course load when I got out and I was overwhelmed and basically wasted a semester. My advice would be to start slow, get used to using your brain again (something the majority of us didn't have to do in the army) and then once you feel comfortable start taking more courses.

And please don't be the guy that constantly raises his hand to give answers that say "As a veteran..." or "When I was in Iraq..."
It's obnoxious as hell even if no one has the guts to tell you.


Online colleges are a total scam, and to a lesser extent online courses at an actual university can kind of suck too. Admittedly I've taken a bunch to fulfill requirements but I regret it and being engaged in a real class is 100 times more enjoyable. Its also where you meet people and make friends that aren't veterans.

It was my understanding that any amount of credit hours would deduct time from your 36 or however many months, plus you only get paid 100% the BAH rate if you are at least a full-time student.

Honestly, you need to take at least 15 credit hours a semester if you want to graduate "on time" (4 years), and also because you want to cram as much in as you comfortably can so that you won't run the risk of taking too long to get your degree and running out of time. If you don't go full-time, you don't get 100% of the BAH rate for your area. Anything less than 12 credit hours is a waste of your benefits imo, especially considering the particularly diligent student can use what remains to get a Master's/training certification afterwards.

:siren: ALSO: if you're like me and saved enough money while you were AD to be able to go to school full-time and coast without needing a job, you should be able to qualify for the max amount of Pell grants since according to the government you're in destitute poverty. If you are an unemployed/underemployed veteran going to school and haven't filled out your FAFSA you are missing out on $7600+ dollars a year. Don't be ignorant like I was for my first year, it's not fraud, think what you will of America's entitlement programs but it's money that's there for you.

Justin Tyme fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Sep 13, 2015

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Justin Tyme posted:

It was my understanding that any amount of credit hours would deduct time from your 36 or however many months, plus you only get paid 100% the BAH rate if you are at least a full-time student.

Honestly, you need to take at least 15 credit hours a semester if you want to graduate "on time" (4 years), and also because you want to cram as much in as you comfortably can so that you won't run the risk of taking too long to get your degree and running out of time. If you don't go full-time, you don't get 100% of the BAH rate for your area. Anything less than 12 credit hours is a waste of your benefits imo, especially considering the particularly diligent student can use what remains to get a Master's/training certification afterwards.

Everything about this is true. Take at least 12 hours, and the GI Bill will also pay for whatever health insurance scam the school is offering.

Obstacle2
Dec 21, 2004
feels good man

Justin Tyme posted:

It was my understanding that any amount of credit hours would deduct time from your 36 or however many months, plus you only get paid 100% the BAH rate if you are at least a full-time student.

Honestly, you need to take at least 15 credit hours a semester if you want to graduate "on time" (4 years), and also because you want to cram as much in as you comfortably can so that you won't run the risk of taking too long to get your degree and running out of time. If you don't go full-time, you don't get 100% of the BAH rate for your area. Anything less than 12 credit hours is a waste of your benefits imo, especially considering the particularly diligent student can use what remains to get a Master's/training certification afterwards.

You're right about the BAH. I was mistaking the changes they made to distance learning credits. You're BAH is definitely adjusted based on how many credits below full time you are.

But they do pro-rate your time based on the amount of credits you take.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Icon Of Sin posted:

Everything about this is true. Take at least 12 hours, and the GI Bill will also pay for whatever health insurance scam the school is offering.

No poo poo? I didn't know about this, does it have to do with the ACA or was it always that way?

Also link me to where it talks about the actual monthly time remaining being prorated based on credit hours, I know it's prorated based on time (not being deducted for any days outside of class like during winter/summer break, being refunded time for semesters you drop early enough) but I didn't think it was prorated based on credit hours.

Justin Tyme fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Sep 13, 2015

Aranan
May 21, 2007

Release the Kraken
Where is the best place to learn how to abuse take full advantage of the GI Bill? I read a comparison between the Montgomery and Post 9/11 bills a while ago and it seemed like the 9/11 was better in 95% of the cases.

I just want to know how to make the most of it, because the army has no qualms about taking full advantage abusing its soldiers.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Aranan posted:

Where is the best place to learn how to abuse take full advantage of the GI Bill? I read a comparison between the Montgomery and Post 9/11 bills a while ago and it seemed like the 9/11 was better in 95% of the cases.

I just want to know how to make the most of it, because the army has no qualms about taking full advantage abusing its soldiers.

Post 9/11 is the way to go, IIRC there should be a thread stickied here and the OP is a certifier at a school.

Basically, for anyone with at least 36 months on active duty (correct me if I am wrong but I think activated guardsman and reservists qualify if they were deployed for 36+ months too) you get 36 months of benefits. This time is incremented in days, and is only deducted for actual days spent in class (so, it's not 3 years of being an active student, it's 3 years of going to class, if that makes sense). However, even if you only have 1 day left, that one day will cover a semester, so that's good. BAH is paid out based on the E5 with dependents rate for your area, and you only get 100% of this if you take a full course load (usually 12 credit hours). GI bill will cover 100% of any public university, and a certain capped limit for a private school. Sometimes the private schools will cover the difference with something called the "Yellow Ribbon Program", but I am not too familiar with that. I ran the numbers once for my situation and if you really bust your rear end, you can graduate with enough left over to at least get like halfway through a Master's program.

If you got at least 36 months AD, you have a golden ticket to any public university and if you're smart enough, a bunch of GI bill-friendly private schools (Columbia is supposedly really good about this). Go to school for free, take a 4 year paid vacation because homework is a million times easier than anything you've done before, profit off of oil war, collect government grants, take 15+ credits a semester, gently caress college girls, gently caress the army, allahu akbar

Justin Tyme fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Sep 13, 2015

Aranan
May 21, 2007

Release the Kraken
I guess that's what I get for never venturing outside of my bookmarked threads. Thanks.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Justin Tyme posted:

No poo poo? I didn't know about this, does it have to do with the ACA or was it always that way?

Also link me to where it talks about the actual monthly time remaining being prorated based on credit hours, I know it's prorated based on time (not being deducted for any days outside of class like during winter/summer break, being refunded time for semesters you drop early enough) but I didn't think it was prorated based on credit hours.

quote:

Enrolled

Are you considered a full-time or part-time student by your school?

Students attending school less than full-time receive a pro-rated monthly housing allowance. Students attending school exactly ½ time or less do not receive a monthly housing allowance.

http://www.benefits.va.gov/gibill/comparison_tool/about_this_tool.asp

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

psydude posted:

But you can always quit.

ahahahahaha

a ha ha

ha

i'll just tell my landlord i don't fell like paying rent anymore too

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:

ahahahahaha

a ha ha

ha

i'll just tell my landlord i don't fell like paying rent anymore too

tell him to suck your dick from the back youre a fuckin vet

btw you get that job in sf?

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
Kind of envious of my dad just getting job offers thrown at him left and right but it took 27 years in the army to get to that point sooooo...probably not going to happen to me

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

tell him to suck your dick from the back youre a fuckin vet

btw you get that job in sf?

Offer will come this week.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:

ahahahahaha

a ha ha

ha

i'll just tell my landlord i don't fell like paying rent anymore too

Yeah so the implication there is you quit once you have a better job.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011



No, he said your time/benefits remaining are prorated based on credit hours, which isn't true. What do they do, take 50% of the total days per semester if you only go half-time? This deals with BAH, not actual time remaining on your total GI bill. You'll be deducted the same amount of months for the semester but receive only a percentage of total BAH. It's literally wasting time and money.

Example, you have 36 months of benefits remaining, you enroll for 1 4-month semester at 6 credit hours. At the end of the semester, you will have only 6 credit hours complete, only have received 50% BAH for the past 4 months, and have 32 months remaining.

Justin Tyme fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Sep 14, 2015

Obstacle2
Dec 21, 2004
feels good man

Justin Tyme posted:

No, he said your time/benefits remaining are prorated based on credit hours, which isn't true. What do they do, take 50% of the total days per semester if you only go half-time? This deals with BAH, not actual time remaining on your total GI bill. You'll be deducted the same amount of months for the semester but receive only a percentage of total BAH. It's literally wasting time and money.

I was wrong about the BAH but not about the time left on you Post 9/11 benefits..

quote:

VA considers the following when calculating Rate of Pursuit (ROP) in the benefit estimation:
Full time students are taking 12 credits per term
3/4 time students are taking 9 credits per term; the calculator uses .8 to determine the amount due
More than 1/2 time students are taking 7-8 credits per term; the calculator uses .6 to determine the amount due
Less than 1/2 time students are taking 1-6 credits per term; the calculator uses .5 to determine the amount due

http://www.benefits.va.gov/gibill/comparison_tool/about_this_tool.asp

Justin Tyme posted:

Example, you have 36 months of benefits remaining, you enroll for 1 4-month semester at 6 credit hours. At the end of the semester, you will have only 6 credit hours complete, only have received 50% BAH for the past 4 months, and have 32 months remaining.

Thats not true, you would only be docked two months.

Obstacle2 fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Sep 14, 2015

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Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Obstacle2 posted:

I was wrong about the BAH but not about the time left on you Post 9/11 benefits..


http://www.benefits.va.gov/gibill/comparison_tool/about_this_tool.asp


Thats not true, you would only be docked two months.

Yeah, I suppose you're right, my bad. I was thinking that table was strictly talking about BAH payout since a lot of the other stuff was talking about BAH rates. I had no idea your actual time was also prorated, that's really interesting.

Still, one should still take as many credits as they are comfortable, because gently caress being in school for like 6-7 years. I'd go nuts, I am already pissed I don't have enough credits/classes done to really start looking for internships.

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