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lovely Wizard posted:Honestly, I sort of wonder kind of brain the people who fell for the Ingsoc stuff are 'operating' with. It was a crappy looking site with the only materials being fanwanking Kojima or existing stuff from trailers/GZ. the kojima and konami tweets/retweets about 1984 (track 9/11 on diamond dogs) paired with the WTC credits screen were the only thing that lent it any credence at all. I still think my big 1984->brother theory is super great independently so see you guys after our wildest dreams come true on 10/11.
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Sep 13, 2015 04:05
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so if you quarantine all the kikongo folks do they still die ?? they're all corralled on the quarantine platform and are for sure susceptible to the disease. does it even matter
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Sep 13, 2015 04:13
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oddium posted:so if you quarantine all the kikongo folks do they still die ?? According to the lore I think anyone who's progressed to the symptomatic stage is dead? but I didn't actually bother to check on what happened to the non-symptomatic guys.
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Sep 13, 2015 04:14
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How the gently caress is Miller going to spend all that money he's thirsty for while chilling on a modified oil rig in the middle of nowhere? He doesn't seem like the "saving for retirement" type, either.
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Sep 13, 2015 04:19
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Snake sitting there like a loving chump and not saying a god drat word during Skull Face's monologue was loving stupid
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Sep 13, 2015 04:23
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VarXX posted:I bet all that chapter 3 stuff people are finding are placeholders for DLC Yeah I'm down for a lot of DLC using this engine
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Sep 13, 2015 04:25
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Alain Post posted:Code Talker is cool and the most MGS character in a game that probably needed more MGS characters. But hell, I still liked it. Yeah I was a little disappointed that Ocelot wasn't more MGS considering he is the most MGS character in the series.
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Sep 13, 2015 04:26
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Cnidaria posted:Yeah I was a little disappointed that Ocelot wasn't more MGS considering he is the most MGS character in the series.
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Sep 13, 2015 04:27
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I like parasites more than nanomachines because you can use parasites to make really ham-handed metaphors that MGS loves so much. "drat... the true parasites are us" - OK "drat... the true nanomachines are us" - WTF?
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Sep 13, 2015 04:29
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Alain Post posted:I like parasites more than nanomachines because you can use parasites to make really ham-handed metaphors that MGS loves so much. Agreedo Oh yeah where the gently caress do you get things for the parasite suite
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Sep 13, 2015 04:29
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ZenVulgarity posted:Agreedo You need to be able to extract the skulls I think.
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Alain Post posted:I like parasites more than nanomachines because you can use parasites to make really ham-handed metaphors that MGS loves so much. Yeah I love Kojima's ham-handed metaphors and I was happy that this game still had a ton of them.
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gently caress, gently caress, FUCCCK Im down to two total stealth missions and Quiet is gone! gently caress She makes em' piss easy, I want her to live. Do i still have a chance to keep her after trying to find her? Fargin Icehole fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Sep 13, 2015 |
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Sep 13, 2015 04:32
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Between everything in the game being some kind of parasite to some other thing, and people talking about having phantom pain a lot, I was happy with the ham-handed writing in this game.
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Sep 13, 2015 04:32
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the ocelot scene where he berates the cocky gunman for doing all the rookie things he did owns, and then it owns even more when you realize he's aware venom is watching, but does venom even remember than encounter ?? being big boss' right hand man and best friend is ocelot's dream, but it's gotta be so hollow at the same time
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Sep 13, 2015 04:35
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we're the hosts, not the parasites
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The Radix posted:we're the hosts, not the parasites Actually, the PMCs including Diamond Dogs are parasites on the war-torn fields of Afghanistan and Africa. hosed up.
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Alain Post posted:Between everything in the game being some kind of parasite to some other thing, and people talking about having phantom pain a lot, I was happy with the ham-handed writing in this game. Snake metaphorically becoming a demon while literally having a demon horn is also great.
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Fargin Icehole posted:gently caress, gently caress, FUCCCK Do you have Side OP 150? If so, then you're hosed mate.
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Sep 13, 2015 04:38
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lovely Wizard posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2E17aKPp_o "A Nice White Male". What are those names, the dev team? Also, Venom and Diamond Dogs are so benevolent that they achieved total nuclear disarmament. They are truly the moral vanguards that we should all aspire towards. ZenVulgarity posted:Snake sitting there like a loving chump and not saying a god drat word during Skull Face's monologue was loving stupid Venom says literally one line to Skull Face in the entire game and that's "There were three. Where's the other?" Based on his taciturnity, I think its canon that Venom must hav just played with his iDroid for the duration of the car ride, paying only half his attention while he spent money on clothes and toys for his army.
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Sep 13, 2015 04:40
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In It For The Tank posted:"A Nice White Male". What are those names, the dev team? I'm guessing it's the people with the most nukes discarded, and since it's apparently not cut it must be counting it already.
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Sep 13, 2015 04:41
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In It For The Tank posted:"A Nice White Male". What are those names, the dev team? You actually can turn your cassette player speaker on during this. Unfortunately, this doesn't do anything but it's funny.
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Unreal_One posted:Do you have Side OP 150? If so, then you're hosed mate. Yup, I do, and, gently caress. I do not want to do Pitch Dark on Total Stealth
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Sep 13, 2015 04:42
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Alain Post posted:You actually can turn your cassette player speaker on during this. Unfortunately, this doesn't do anything but it's funny. "I was born in a small village. I was still a child when we were raided by sol-" *FAAAAAAAAAAARRRTTTTT*
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Sep 13, 2015 04:48
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Alain Post posted:You actually can turn your cassette player speaker on during this. Unfortunately, this doesn't do anything but it's funny. Nothing beats using the 'recorded in the bathroom' tape while he stares seriously at you for the last half of the drive. Its so metal gear.
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oddium posted:the ocelot scene where he berates the cocky gunman for doing all the rookie things he did owns, and then it owns even more when you realize he's aware venom is watching, but does venom even remember than encounter ?? He quotes the speech Big Boss gave him the first time they fought too.
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Sep 13, 2015 04:50
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Alain Post posted:You actually can turn your cassette player speaker on during this. Unfortunately, this doesn't do anything but it's funny. I was really hoping that he would respond to one of the tapes in the third category, a category reserved for special effects/easter eggs, but nope. Nothin.
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the gray_xof guy is losing his loving mind on twitter (the official community manager disowned him and the whole ingsoc thing so that's that) and It's pretty amazing. Apparently his theory is gray fox related (go figure) because I guess a certain subset of fans (this guy) are super heated that he isn't in the game at all.
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lovely Wizard posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2E17aKPp_o If this is all setting up the part in Metal Gear 2 about how Zanzibarland has all of the nukes from around the world that used to be operational, thus leading to an eventual Metal Gear 2 remake, I can finally die a happy man.
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Sep 13, 2015 05:04
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lovely Wizard posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2E17aKPp_o so what im taking from this is that the ARG is now to achieve nuclear disarmament, then kojima will give us chapter 3 Alain Post posted:Actually, the PMCs including Diamond Dogs are parasites on the war-torn fields of Afghanistan and Africa. hosed up. ah, i see like fleas on a dog
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The Radix posted:so what im taking from this is that the ARG is now to achieve nuclear disarmament, then kojima will give us chapter 3 What if there's another hidden ending for nuking other people the most? 
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Actually doesn't this put Venom Snake way over any shades of grey (but not really since he never actually DOES anything really bad despite the we're going to hell or whatever talk) into full on good guy, considering he literally disarmed the world of nukes? The fact that there's 7 minutes of cutscenes and a Sutherland/Venom Snake monologue makes it canon as poo poo to the story.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Here you go ffs, you want a quote that is literally as explicit as possible? Look at the full conversation Big Boss: You saw those children, didn't you? Every one is a victim of a war somewhere of the world. And they'll make fine soldiers in the next war. Start a war, fuel its flames, create victims... Then save them, train them... And feed them back onto the battlefield. It's a perfectly logical system. In this world of ours, conflict never ends. And neither does our purpose... our raison d'etre. Snake: So there's plenty of job opportunities... Is that what you're trying to say? Big Boss: On the battlefield, you and I are valuable commodities. But back "home", we're nothing but dead weight. If we're lucky, we might get the attention of some two-bit journalist from a cheap tabloid. You and I are doomed to remain here until we die like dogs on the battlefield. This isn't some ridiculous plan to start wars to harvest child soldiers, it's a critique of the miserable state of the world and it's effects on soldiers. These conflicts are always there. Again, Big Boss doesen't have to do anything to instigate them, they're constantly being created because they're built in to the way the global economy functions. The problem with nerds is their inability to critically examine the media they're consuming. Like the repeated insistence that the Boss died because she just wanted every soldier to just stop fighting and get along. This is a completely invented fantasy that occurs nowhere in the text. The Boss doesen't choose to die in battle for her ironic love of pacifism or whatever. She dies because she thinks the only way to unite the world is by restoring power to a select group of wealthy elites who can manipulate everything behind the scenes. We see what happens as a result of this. Instead of facilitating closer bonds between nations, the exploitation and division is only exacerbated. Nations are intentionally destabilized and their conflicts used as an integral part of the way the system functions. The system itself is hopelessly corrupt and instead of faithfully believing it can be salvaged, Big Boss rejects it and decides that there needs to be an alternative. But instead of trying to end this hopeless cycle, we have this incoherent mess that says Big Boss loves the system but hates that the wars just aren't... free enough? Like he's trying to deregulate war? It's completely idiotic. SOP isn't a concern of Big Boss or Zero because SOP isn't an actual thing that exists in reality. It's a symbolic metaphor for ideology, the ideology being exerted by this rapidly expanded military-industrial complex, which is what Big Boss is actually fighting against. What's especially bewildering is the idea that Big Boss's grand plan is to plunge the world into full scale global conflict, which is directly contradicted by the entire plots of Portable OPs, Peace Walker, TPP, etc which are about averting such pointless wars. quote:Once again, please provide a single quote that implies even a little bit that his plan is to eventually disarm the world. Miller: ...Unless we want to end up like Che Guevara did in Bolivia. Snake: Well said. Our army without borders doesn't have a land to call home. We're nomads. Wanderers. What we need now is a sheepdog to guard our flock. Miller: Right. Snake: Maybe it's not the way The Boss would have gone about it... But there are places in this world that need us - and soldiers that need MSF. And as long as we're needed, we'll keep on moving. Ours is a journey that never ends. We're the real Peace Walkers.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:the gray_xof guy is losing his loving mind on twitter (the official community manager disowned him and the whole ingsoc thing so that's that) and It's pretty amazing. Was that dude actually involved in any way with the game or its development to begin with? I thought it was just some random crazy fan. Kojima fans are always a great source of absolute insanity, if nothing else. I like to believe that Kojima himself was purposefully trolling people, like when he posted that action figure of Venom holding his hand in front of his face like Gray Fox after that incredibly stupid "Venom is actually Gray Fox" rumor picked up momentum. Also I love the quiet jeep ride because Skull Face is just delivering this monologue that he's been waiting to unleash for the entire game, and Venom just doesn't give a single poo poo. He's probably staring into the distance, imagining all the different ways he's about to gently caress Skull Face's life up in the next 10 minutes. "Yeah whatever, parasites. Cool." I thought it was a pretty funny scene since normally Snake would be repeating everything he says in increasingly incredulous tones, but this worn-out Big Boss is having none of it. The superhuman psychopaths with grandiose plans don't even phase him anymore. There's no way it wasn't supposed to be at least a little funny when Sins of the Father kicks in after Skull Face runs out of things to say - it's such a deliberate callback to the ladder in Snake Eater, and it works as a humorous bookend with Huey, the most vile and pathetic character in all of MGS, shouting "revenge" like a spastic after blowing his skull apart.
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lovely Wizard posted:Actually doesn't this put Venom Snake way over any shades of grey (but not really since he never actually DOES anything really bad despite the we're going to hell or whatever talk) into full on good guy, considering he literally disarmed the world of nukes? Does this mean the CIA director really went back in time and beat the poo poo out of Snake?
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lovely Wizard posted:The fact that there's 7 minutes of cutscenes and a Sutherland/Venom Snake monologue makes it canon as poo poo to the story. It literally can't be canon because every single one of the next games rely on the idea of nuclear weapons still not only existing but being common. It is at best some kind of secret ending unlocked via FOB things and at worst something that has no context whatsoever and is just a leftover concept.
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