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V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

corbyn's been making noises to this effect all along - "it's not for the leader to dictate policy" etc. - he's basically allowing himself an out from his most controversial policies, which will let him look Reasonable and Respectable and could potentially allow him to set the agenda to a greater degree. if he can send someone else to discuss these things in PMQs, he's then effectively sidestepped the most obvious Tory line of attack on his leadership, without appearing to lose out on Principle (because it's all gone through a Reasonable and Mature Discussion within the party, you see)

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Yggdrassil
Mar 11, 2012

RAKANISHU!

Oberleutnant posted:

Yeah from what I gather the Falklands are just Argentina's dead cat they can fling around whenever things are looking hairy for the government anyway.

Basically, yeah.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

guys i think corbyn might be a bizarrely good politician

ukle
Nov 28, 2005

kapparomeo posted:

That was the idea of the last referendum in the Falklands. The question was not "do you wish to be ruled by Argentina" but "do you wish to change the constitutional status of the islands". If they had voted for it then there would have been a consultation on what exactly that change would have been which could have been one of the answers above, but the islanders are overwhelmingly satisfied with the status quo.

Also the Status Quo for the Falklands (and places Gibraltar, Cayman Islands etc) is loving amazing i.e. they pay zero tax to the UK, have full self determination on most matters, yet have the backing of the UK for defense along with all the other trade benefits being part of the UK brings. That is the reason why all the territories want to stay British over anything else as at the moment they have it absurdly good, especially the tax havens as they are exploiting the loophole/relationship to the max.

Note in the case of the Falklands the islanders did say they would contribute to the UK to pay for the defense if they ever did get stinking rich due to oil, which would be nice of them given how much it currently costs.

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Mega Comrade posted:

This seems an odd response seeing as it says 'Sex' on the birth certificate and sex and gender are not the same thing.

Not like an individual's sex is a binary thing either.

We define it by half a dozen markers, and some of those are not binary either. If everything goes right in the related processes, the person ends up male or female, but cancer is clear proof that things don't always go right and poo poo can end up far worse than intersex conditions as a result.

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




Keith Richards on Andrew Marr reminded me of Rowley Brikin QC

Saith
Oct 10, 2010

Asahina...
Regular Penguins look just the same!

ukle posted:

Also the Status Quo for the Falklands (and places Gibraltar, Cayman Islands etc) is loving amazing i.e. they pay zero tax to the UK, have full self determination on most matters, yet have the backing of the UK for defense along with all the other trade benefits being part of the UK brings. That is the reason why all the territories want to stay British over anything else as at the moment they have it absurdly good, especially the tax havens as they are exploiting the loophole/relationship to the max.

Note in the case of the Falklands the islanders did say they would contribute to the UK to pay for the defense if they ever did get stinking rich due to oil, which would be nice of them given how much it currently costs.

drat. Maybe the Welsh should widen the Severn til we're considered overseas, too. I mean, we wouldn't have MPs, but it's not like that matters.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

V. Illych L. posted:

guys i think corbyn might be a bizarrely good politician

It's also politics that I can actually respect.

Experto Crede
Aug 19, 2008

Keep on Truckin'



I was expecting more from the sun. Kind of disappointed :(

Panama Red
Jul 30, 2003

Only in America could you find a way to earn a healthy buck and still keep your attitude on self destruct
I hope Jezza makes me Shadow Minister of the Culinary Arts. I promise a chicken parmo in every pot

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
It's really surreal having a mainstream politician I actually agree with. Like the news coverage keeps making me think of the start of A Very British Coup because it's the only depiction of a popular modern British socialist politician that I can remember.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
Checking in, has Blair commented at all?

ukle
Nov 28, 2005

Saith posted:

drat. Maybe the Welsh should widen the Severn til we're considered overseas, too. I mean, we wouldn't have MPs, but it's not like that matters.

It doesn't for the overseas territories as they have full control over there own laws, them having their own MP's would be nigh on useless as there is very little the UK does that affects them (Foreign affairs and Defense are the real only ones), as they already have full self control over almost everything.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Experto Crede posted:

I was expecting more from the sun. Kind of disappointed :(

You've missed the best part


WIN: VEST LIKE JEZZA'S

Lunar Suite
Jun 5, 2011

If you love a flower which happens to be on a star, it is sweet at night to gaze at the sky. All the stars are a riot of flowers.
I'm moving to Manchester this week to start my MRes and in preparation I thought I'd catch up. I ended on YouTube watching some clips of debates.

Please, I beg of you, someone tell me they're not always "Mister Speaker, Mister Speaker, Ed is a big doo doo head!" This is how they spend their time? :negative:

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009

Yggdrassil posted:

I've been living in the UK for 3 months now, and I'm very attached to my country's (Argentina) political scene.

Basically, our president wrote a letter to Corbyn titled "Hope has Triumphed"

The pro-gov, state run media praises Corbyn non-stop

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elmundo/4-281551-2015-09-13.html

The anti-gov, corporate media remains neutral, saying that the success of Corbyn against all odds was amazing, and that he now faces internal conflict with some labour party members that do not agree with him

http://www.clarin.com/politica/Cristina-Laborismo-britanico-triunfado-esperanza_0_1429657275.html

In terms of the general opinion of me and my friends/relatives/acquaintances, we are quite happy for Corbyn's victory. Even those who do not share their view that much agree that his perspective will give the UK a much more interesting way of debating. I personally agree with most of the things he says, but I'm not happy at all with his stance on Latin America. I've seen his speech in the latin american convention the other day, and I fear he is just praising Venezuela's and Argentina's government to oppose the right wing groups that condemn those latin american governments.

Argentina and Venezuela have terrible governments, both deeply corrupted, which have shown actions that are deeply against many awesome principles Corbyn stands for.

Interesting, thanks.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Lunar Suite posted:

I'm moving to Manchester this week to start my MRes and in preparation I thought I'd catch up. I ended on YouTube watching some clips of debates.

Please, I beg of you, someone tell me they're not always "Mister Speaker, Mister Speaker, Ed is a big doo doo head!" This is how they spend their time? :negative:

No that's basically it. Periodically someone has an actual interesting or important question, and then someone goes "Yeah well you might ask that if you were a tit :smug:" and it's back to business as usual.

spiderbot
Oct 21, 2012


endlessmonotony posted:

Not like an individual's sex is a binary thing either.

We define it by half a dozen markers, and some of those are not binary either. If everything goes right in the related processes, the person ends up male or female, but cancer is clear proof that things don't always go right and poo poo can end up far worse than intersex conditions as a result.

Also you don't actually have to have had surgery to get a gender recognition certificate and legally change your gender (although you do need a letter from a medical expert) so it's not like the law isn't already OK with someone's legal gender not matching their physical body.

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you
The media coverage at the moment is completely unhinged, and there are so many journalists on Twitter being either a) passive aggressive, b) going on about how loving stupid and fickle the public are, c) claiming that, for example, the large mandate JC got is tiny and insignificant, but that there was even less of one for the other three candidates is completely irrelevant, or in some cases, d) all of the above. I've never seen such unified frustration before, it's bizarre.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

spiderbot posted:

Also you don't actually have to have had surgery to get a gender recognition certificate and legally change your gender (although you do need a letter from a medical expert) so it's not like the law isn't already OK with someone's legal gender not matching their physical body.

Forcing members of a historically incredibly deprived community at least £250 to get their passport, driving licence, and gender recognition certificate has to sting, though.

The Gender Recognition Panel is also not required to anybody qualified in gender healthcare or equality law on the panel.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 19 days!)

Pesmerga posted:

The media coverage at the moment is completely unhinged, and there are so many journalists on Twitter being either a) passive aggressive, b) going on about how loving stupid and fickle the public are, c) claiming that, for example, the large mandate JC got is tiny and insignificant, but that there was even less of one for the other three candidates is completely irrelevant, or in some cases, d) all of the above. I've never seen such unified frustration before, it's bizarre.

Liberals cannot understand why anyone wouldn't want to support their ideology while Tories are coming to terms with the prospect of a real opposition. This is just the Anger stage of the Kubler-Ross model in op-ed form.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.


Corbyn is Oscar the Grouch?

FairyNuff
Jan 22, 2012

Experto Crede posted:




I was expecting more from the sun. Kind of disappointed :(

There is only 1 paper with a positive headline regarding Corbyn at the local store and it was the mirror, everything else is just poo poo like




Unfortunately in the time I spent lingering in the paper section people were only buying those 3 papers :(

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

The Sunday Express posted:

Heads straight to refugee rally

How terrible.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Geokinesis posted:

There is only 1 paper with a positive headline regarding Corbyn at the local store and it was the mirror,

the Morning Star have come out with their first ever Sunday edition for the occasion. you need a better local store.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Oberleutnant posted:

Yeah from what I gather the Falklands are just Argentina's dead cat they can fling around whenever things are looking hairy for the government anyway.

especially so now what with the conspiracy theories about their president having a lawyer murdered

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Jose posted:

especially so now what with the conspiracy theories about their president having a lawyer murdered

Is that still going on? I heard nothing for months so assumed she managed to survive the first wave of outrage.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
"Top names resign!"
I doubt the parents of half of those morons could even pick them out of a line-up, they're so unmemorable.
I pay more attention to politics than most people, but when that Jamie guy tweeted his resignation my first thought was "Who is he and how is was he on the Shadow Cabinet?"

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

kingturnip posted:

"Top names resign!"
I doubt the parents of half of those morons could even pick them out of a line-up, they're so unmemorable.
I pay more attention to politics than most people, but when that Jamie guy tweeted his resignation my first thought was "Who is he and how is was he on the Shadow Cabinet?"

That was pretty much Prezza's reactions too. :v:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Resign from what, the shadow cabinet?

The thing that the leader is going to restructure as a matter of course anyway?

I don't think "you can't fire me I quit" is really a good defence.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

I would have thought being pushed rather than jumping would be a better angle, "I was willing to stay on but nasty leftie Corbyn sacked me because I failed an ideological purity test'.

Umunna hasn't jumped yet has he?

Manic_Misanthrope
Jul 1, 2010


kustomkarkommando posted:

I would have thought being pushed rather than jumping would be a better angle, "I was willing to stay on but nasty leftie Corbyn sacked me because I failed an ideological purity test'.

Umunna hasn't jumped yet has he?

Didn't he pre-jump by saying he wouldn't join Jezza's shadow cabinet during a debate? To which Corbyn responded "I'll live."

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Also let's start tossing out names for the shadow cabinet. Corbyn's commitment to appoint at least 50% women to the shadow cabinet has narrowed the lists I've seen people tossing around.

Favourite contenders I've seen are Dianne Abbott, Creasey, Rebecca Long-Bailey, Kate Osamor and Cat Smith. Also seen people float Angela Eagle and Emily Thornberry

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
Rushanara Ali as Shadow Women and Equality Minister.
Abbott as Shadow Health Minister.
McDonnell as Shadow Justice Minister.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Awaiting people digging up that John McDonnell quote again

Phoon
Apr 23, 2010

Might see Burnham back in as health

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


ukle posted:

It doesn't for the overseas territories as they have full control over there own laws, them having their own MP's would be nigh on useless as there is very little the UK does that affects them (Foreign affairs and Defense are the real only ones), as they already have full self control over almost everything.

Maybe we already are an overseas territory then :v:

number one pta fan
Sep 6, 2011

my work is my play play
every day pay day
Every time I switch newsagents I have to carve out my reputation as 'the guy who looks at all the papers, frowns and buys the Morning Star'. Usually takes me a long afternoon.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Can we make Dennis Skinner shadow chancellor or something? And let him do PMQs?

Edit: With or without waving a mattock handle.

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kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Skinner for Shadow Leader of the House maybe?

Though it's not exactly a top tier position

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