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corbyn's been making noises to this effect all along - "it's not for the leader to dictate policy" etc. - he's basically allowing himself an out from his most controversial policies, which will let him look Reasonable and Respectable and could potentially allow him to set the agenda to a greater degree. if he can send someone else to discuss these things in PMQs, he's then effectively sidestepped the most obvious Tory line of attack on his leadership, without appearing to lose out on Principle (because it's all gone through a Reasonable and Mature Discussion within the party, you see)
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 13:52 |
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Oberleutnant posted:Yeah from what I gather the Falklands are just Argentina's dead cat they can fling around whenever things are looking hairy for the government anyway. Basically, yeah.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 13:59 |
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guys i think corbyn might be a bizarrely good politician
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:06 |
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kapparomeo posted:That was the idea of the last referendum in the Falklands. The question was not "do you wish to be ruled by Argentina" but "do you wish to change the constitutional status of the islands". If they had voted for it then there would have been a consultation on what exactly that change would have been which could have been one of the answers above, but the islanders are overwhelmingly satisfied with the status quo. Also the Status Quo for the Falklands (and places Gibraltar, Cayman Islands etc) is loving amazing i.e. they pay zero tax to the UK, have full self determination on most matters, yet have the backing of the UK for defense along with all the other trade benefits being part of the UK brings. That is the reason why all the territories want to stay British over anything else as at the moment they have it absurdly good, especially the tax havens as they are exploiting the loophole/relationship to the max. Note in the case of the Falklands the islanders did say they would contribute to the UK to pay for the defense if they ever did get stinking rich due to oil, which would be nice of them given how much it currently costs.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:07 |
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Mega Comrade posted:This seems an odd response seeing as it says 'Sex' on the birth certificate and sex and gender are not the same thing. Not like an individual's sex is a binary thing either. We define it by half a dozen markers, and some of those are not binary either. If everything goes right in the related processes, the person ends up male or female, but cancer is clear proof that things don't always go right and poo poo can end up far worse than intersex conditions as a result.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:10 |
Keith Richards on Andrew Marr reminded me of Rowley Brikin QC
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:10 |
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ukle posted:Also the Status Quo for the Falklands (and places Gibraltar, Cayman Islands etc) is loving amazing i.e. they pay zero tax to the UK, have full self determination on most matters, yet have the backing of the UK for defense along with all the other trade benefits being part of the UK brings. That is the reason why all the territories want to stay British over anything else as at the moment they have it absurdly good, especially the tax havens as they are exploiting the loophole/relationship to the max. drat. Maybe the Welsh should widen the Severn til we're considered overseas, too. I mean, we wouldn't have MPs, but it's not like that matters.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:17 |
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V. Illych L. posted:guys i think corbyn might be a bizarrely good politician It's also politics that I can actually respect.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:20 |
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I was expecting more from the sun. Kind of disappointed
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:25 |
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I hope Jezza makes me Shadow Minister of the Culinary Arts. I promise a chicken parmo in every pot
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:26 |
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It's really surreal having a mainstream politician I actually agree with. Like the news coverage keeps making me think of the start of A Very British Coup because it's the only depiction of a popular modern British socialist politician that I can remember.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:27 |
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Checking in, has Blair commented at all?
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:28 |
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Saith posted:drat. Maybe the Welsh should widen the Severn til we're considered overseas, too. I mean, we wouldn't have MPs, but it's not like that matters. It doesn't for the overseas territories as they have full control over there own laws, them having their own MP's would be nigh on useless as there is very little the UK does that affects them (Foreign affairs and Defense are the real only ones), as they already have full self control over almost everything.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:28 |
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Experto Crede posted:I was expecting more from the sun. Kind of disappointed You've missed the best part WIN: VEST LIKE JEZZA'S
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:29 |
I'm moving to Manchester this week to start my MRes and in preparation I thought I'd catch up. I ended on YouTube watching some clips of debates. Please, I beg of you, someone tell me they're not always "Mister Speaker, Mister Speaker, Ed is a big doo doo head!" This is how they spend their time?
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:31 |
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Yggdrassil posted:I've been living in the UK for 3 months now, and I'm very attached to my country's (Argentina) political scene. Interesting, thanks.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:31 |
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Lunar Suite posted:I'm moving to Manchester this week to start my MRes and in preparation I thought I'd catch up. I ended on YouTube watching some clips of debates. No that's basically it. Periodically someone has an actual interesting or important question, and then someone goes "Yeah well you might ask that if you were a tit " and it's back to business as usual.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:38 |
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endlessmonotony posted:Not like an individual's sex is a binary thing either. Also you don't actually have to have had surgery to get a gender recognition certificate and legally change your gender (although you do need a letter from a medical expert) so it's not like the law isn't already OK with someone's legal gender not matching their physical body.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:39 |
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The media coverage at the moment is completely unhinged, and there are so many journalists on Twitter being either a) passive aggressive, b) going on about how loving stupid and fickle the public are, c) claiming that, for example, the large mandate JC got is tiny and insignificant, but that there was even less of one for the other three candidates is completely irrelevant, or in some cases, d) all of the above. I've never seen such unified frustration before, it's bizarre.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:44 |
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spiderbot posted:Also you don't actually have to have had surgery to get a gender recognition certificate and legally change your gender (although you do need a letter from a medical expert) so it's not like the law isn't already OK with someone's legal gender not matching their physical body. Forcing members of a historically incredibly deprived community at least £250 to get their passport, driving licence, and gender recognition certificate has to sting, though. The Gender Recognition Panel is also not required to anybody qualified in gender healthcare or equality law on the panel.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:49 |
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Pesmerga posted:The media coverage at the moment is completely unhinged, and there are so many journalists on Twitter being either a) passive aggressive, b) going on about how loving stupid and fickle the public are, c) claiming that, for example, the large mandate JC got is tiny and insignificant, but that there was even less of one for the other three candidates is completely irrelevant, or in some cases, d) all of the above. I've never seen such unified frustration before, it's bizarre. Liberals cannot understand why anyone wouldn't want to support their ideology while Tories are coming to terms with the prospect of a real opposition. This is just the Anger stage of the Kubler-Ross model in op-ed form.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 14:53 |
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Corbyn is Oscar the Grouch?
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:02 |
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Experto Crede posted:
There is only 1 paper with a positive headline regarding Corbyn at the local store and it was the mirror, everything else is just poo poo like Unfortunately in the time I spent lingering in the paper section people were only buying those 3 papers
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:02 |
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The Sunday Express posted:Heads straight to refugee rally How terrible.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:05 |
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Geokinesis posted:There is only 1 paper with a positive headline regarding Corbyn at the local store and it was the mirror, the Morning Star have come out with their first ever Sunday edition for the occasion. you need a better local store.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:11 |
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Oberleutnant posted:Yeah from what I gather the Falklands are just Argentina's dead cat they can fling around whenever things are looking hairy for the government anyway. especially so now what with the conspiracy theories about their president having a lawyer murdered
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:12 |
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Jose posted:especially so now what with the conspiracy theories about their president having a lawyer murdered Is that still going on? I heard nothing for months so assumed she managed to survive the first wave of outrage.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:14 |
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"Top names resign!" I doubt the parents of half of those morons could even pick them out of a line-up, they're so unmemorable. I pay more attention to politics than most people, but when that Jamie guy tweeted his resignation my first thought was "Who is he and how
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:15 |
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kingturnip posted:"Top names resign!" That was pretty much Prezza's reactions too.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:21 |
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Resign from what, the shadow cabinet? The thing that the leader is going to restructure as a matter of course anyway? I don't think "you can't fire me I quit" is really a good defence.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:24 |
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I would have thought being pushed rather than jumping would be a better angle, "I was willing to stay on but nasty leftie Corbyn sacked me because I failed an ideological purity test'. Umunna hasn't jumped yet has he?
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:27 |
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kustomkarkommando posted:I would have thought being pushed rather than jumping would be a better angle, "I was willing to stay on but nasty leftie Corbyn sacked me because I failed an ideological purity test'. Didn't he pre-jump by saying he wouldn't join Jezza's shadow cabinet during a debate? To which Corbyn responded "I'll live."
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:30 |
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Also let's start tossing out names for the shadow cabinet. Corbyn's commitment to appoint at least 50% women to the shadow cabinet has narrowed the lists I've seen people tossing around. Favourite contenders I've seen are Dianne Abbott, Creasey, Rebecca Long-Bailey, Kate Osamor and Cat Smith. Also seen people float Angela Eagle and Emily Thornberry
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:33 |
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Rushanara Ali as Shadow Women and Equality Minister. Abbott as Shadow Health Minister. McDonnell as Shadow Justice Minister.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:33 |
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Awaiting people digging up that John McDonnell quote again
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:36 |
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Might see Burnham back in as health
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:36 |
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ukle posted:It doesn't for the overseas territories as they have full control over there own laws, them having their own MP's would be nigh on useless as there is very little the UK does that affects them (Foreign affairs and Defense are the real only ones), as they already have full self control over almost everything. Maybe we already are an overseas territory then
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:36 |
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Every time I switch newsagents I have to carve out my reputation as 'the guy who looks at all the papers, frowns and buys the Morning Star'. Usually takes me a long afternoon.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:36 |
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Can we make Dennis Skinner shadow chancellor or something? And let him do PMQs? Edit: With or without waving a mattock handle.
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:38 |
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Skinner for Shadow Leader of the House maybe? Though it's not exactly a top tier position
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# ? Sep 13, 2015 15:40 |