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Sep 13, 2015 18:13
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Digiwizzard posted:It was always really jarring seeing Huey played straight as an Otacon clone in Peace Walker considering the hosed up story from MGS2. It's a similar feeling to hearing Miller desperately wanting Eli to have a good upbringing when you know his ultimate fate is to have Liquid to slit his throat and do his best Miller impression over the radio. I actually like that though. Otaclone Huey in the context of what he says and does in PP actually holds up because you can recontextualize him as just lying to you a lot and it still makes sense. He comes across as a simple bland Otacon-alike because he's goddamn lying to your face and the player is going to believe him because why wouldn't Otacon's dad be just like Otacon? For all the problems I have with PP's writing, I really like how Huey was handled. It's a lot better way to do a prequel character than Identical Clone.
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Sep 13, 2015 18:17
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:FOX.... Briefly, my emblem was FOX DIE and it happened to coincide with Eli's arrival to Mother Base, which worked out really well because there's a moment when Eli takes a long hard look at your emblem and I like to imagine he got a weird sense of Deja Vu.
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Sep 13, 2015 18:40
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gently caress Huey Emmerich.
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Sep 13, 2015 18:47
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Aurain posted:I think the deal with Kaz's eyes is that his eyesight's just a little hosed, rather than fully blind. He can clearly see, but maybe he just sees poorly now.
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Sep 13, 2015 18:57
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Not getting to see Hal loving his second wife and Huey drown himself like the worthless piece of poo poo he is will haunt me till the rest of my days. We should be allowed to kill him for insulting Commander of the 1st battalion of Animal Forces Diamond "DD" Dog.
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Sep 13, 2015 18:58
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iGestalt posted:Literally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wC4-oW3wxM That game also has nanomachines. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Mankind Divided will have parasites too. Aurain posted:Not getting to see Hal loving his second wife and Huey drown himself like the worthless piece of poo poo he is will haunt me till the rest of my days. Replays of MGS 2 are going to feel a lot different, knowing what a piece of poo poo Huey was. I can't even feel the need to make fun of Otacon anymore, Huey absolutely deserved what happened to him and more. But he was still a big enough piece of poo poo to try and take Emma with him, which is the cause of that terrible underwater escort mission in MGS 2. gently caress Huey.
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Sep 13, 2015 19:03
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ImpAtom posted:I actually like that though. Otaclone Huey in the context of what he says and does in PP actually holds up because you can recontextualize him as just lying to you a lot and it still makes sense. He comes across as a simple bland Otacon-alike because he's goddamn lying to your face and the player is going to believe him because why wouldn't Otacon's dad be just like Otacon? It's just a shame they played it straight, because it would've been much more fun to plant more hints that there's something deeply wrong with him. Like, the best example is the scene where he just stumbles in and kills Skull Face with inauthentic enthusiasm. It's great because it shows him violating the moment with a total lack of empathy but also clueless naivete, and it's one of the first warning flags that something is amiss here. There should have been more of this. Digiwizzard fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Sep 13, 2015 |
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Sep 13, 2015 19:04
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Christopher Randolph definitely rose to the occasion. Replaying Hellbound, you can definitely hear the unctuous edge in Huey's voice as he tries to redirect blame and insist that he's still on Venom's side. "One for all and all for one!" You can tell he's just making it up as he goes along.
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Sep 13, 2015 19:14
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Digiwizzard posted:It's just a shame they played it straight, because it would've been much more fun to plant more hints that there's something deeply wrong with him. Like, the best example is the scene where he just stumbles in and kills Skull Face with inauthentic enthusiasm. It's great because it shows him violating the moment with a total lack of empathy but also clueless naivete, and it's one of the first warning flags that something is amiss here. There should have been more of this. I think they do a lot of that. Like when he complains that he never saw Hal, it's directly contradicted by the fact he has photos of Hal in his lab. If you pay attention you hear him change his story almost every time it comes up but in small ways. It starts to break under the strain of repeated lies but that's pretty clever because that is what happen to real liars too.
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Sep 13, 2015 19:17
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Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Game Comparisons to other empty open world have abounded, sure, but Hitman Abolution and Splinter Cell Conviction are interesting. Both games simplified the mechanics enough to make the games far easier, but deviated hugely from the structure and gameplay of past games as well.
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Sep 13, 2015 19:22
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I guess some people just can't have fun without that pointless Watchtowers Climbed number ticking up.
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Sep 13, 2015 19:24
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Tiler Kiwi posted:snake, that's an enemy gunship You took out their anti air radar?
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Sep 13, 2015 19:32
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ImpAtom posted:I think they do a lot of that. Like when he complains that he never saw Hal, it's directly contradicted by the fact he has photos of Hal in his lab. If you pay attention you hear him change his story almost every time it comes up but in small ways. It starts to break under the strain of repeated lies but that's pretty clever because that is what happen to real liars too. Sure, but this only happens after they find Strangelove's corpse locked in an AI pod. The problem is that in Peace Walker he really is just Otacon in the 70s. Imagine him doing the usual "I had no idea by creations would be used as weapons of war! I'm such a fool!" shtick, but suddenly gets bizarrely enthusiastic about projected megadeath estimates for Zeke, or casually lets slip that he dissected a bird when he was a child, and the player takes pause and is not quite sure if he's just an insensitive eccentric or a brazen sociopath. .
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Sep 13, 2015 19:35
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Cardboard Box A posted:Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Game I wouldn't say MGS V's gameplay significantly deviates from previous games though? It basically merged MGS 4 + Peace Walker together.
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Sep 13, 2015 19:49
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I like how the parasites are clearly the precursor to FoxDie in that they are designed to target specific languages and by that can be used to target specific ethnic groups and nationalities. Its like a Macro Fox die.
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Sep 13, 2015 19:58
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blackguy32 posted:I like how the parasites are clearly the precursor to FoxDie in that they are designed to target specific languages and by that can be used to target specific ethnic groups and nationalities. Its like a Macro Fox die. One of the post-game tapes mentions this; that the parasite research is a dead end because they already have Dr. Clark breaking all sounds of boundaries with genetic research.
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Sep 13, 2015 20:03
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ImpAtom posted:I actually like that though. Otaclone Huey in the context of what he says and does in PP actually holds up because you can recontextualize him as just lying to you a lot and it still makes sense. He comes across as a simple bland Otacon-alike because he's goddamn lying to your face and the player is going to believe him because why wouldn't Otacon's dad be just like Otacon? The best thing PP does for the grand MGS mythos is turn Huey into a huge fucker. I don't think there's been a more hateable guy in MGS history than Huey in PP, at least in my experience. I love how in the beginning Miller is really hard on Huey and you're all like "give him a break man he's just a bro like otacon" but then at the end of the story when all the guys are screaming to put a bullet in his head I was basically right there with them.
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Sep 13, 2015 21:15
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iGestalt posted:Literally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wC4-oW3wxM Laputan machine. *engage soldier on toilet tape.*
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Sep 13, 2015 21:34
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Mission 12 gets immensely creepy when you remember that Strangelove is in the Mammal Pod.
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Sep 13, 2015 21:36
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So apparently there was meant to be a chapter 3? http://m.windowscentral.com/data-miners-discover-entire-chapter-metal-gear-solid-v-phantom-pain-warning-possible-spoilers
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Sep 13, 2015 21:57
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Mr. Fortitude posted:That game also has nanomachines. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Mankind Divided will have parasites too. Yeah, there's no way Huey wasn't intentionally trying to kill his stepdaughter in order to punish his wife for sleeping with his son. It was a botched murder-suicide. rear end in a top hat. I forgot that Hal and Emma weren't related by blood at all. The Emmerich Curse is so strong it hosed up her life merely by association. I also forgot that Emma wanted Hal to see her as a woman. What the hell. Where does Otacon's animal magnetism come from? Sniper Wolf, his stepmother, Emma, Naomi... Like the legend of the Fat Buddha, Otacon's intentionally tried to sabotage his own natural seductive powers by becoming a nerdy pants-pissing anime-lover.
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Sep 13, 2015 21:58
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Mischitary posted:The best thing PP does for the grand MGS mythos is turn Huey into a huge fucker. I don't think there's been a more hateable guy in MGS history than Huey in PP, at least in my experience. I love how in the beginning Miller is really hard on Huey and you're all like "give him a break man he's just a bro like otacon" but then at the end of the story when all the guys are screaming to put a bullet in his head I was basically right there with them. I like to think Venom was given a little prophecy and decided to let Huey go because he knew it would be so much worse.
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Sep 13, 2015 21:59
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Machinegunboyo posted:So apparently there was meant to be a chapter 3? Maybe that's where Lori Alan's voice acting is, because I can't believe they'd call her in to rerecord Snake Eater lines (again) instead of just using the archived audio.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:00
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i just picked up the significance of The Man Who Sold the World being a cover version
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Sep 13, 2015 22:00
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Machinegunboyo posted:So apparently there was meant to be a chapter 3? I don't know. All this stuff strikes me as Kojima's inability to see where the limits of this game are going to be and paring things down into a cohesive whole instead of trying to do everything.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:02
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Peace Walker's story went on for much longer than MGS 5's does, and I feel like the goal was to basically make a story on as grand of a scale, but in console game form instead of portable. Unfortunately it seems to have not worked out in the slightest. I think Peace Walker's visual style and lack of 3D cutscenes definitely contributed to their ability to make the story go on as long as it did.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:09
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Panzeh posted:I don't know. All this stuff strikes me as Kojima's inability to see where the limits of this game are going to be and paring things down into a cohesive whole instead of trying to do everything. I mean, it took Kojima Productions 3 years to do one chapter and like half of a chapter for the completed game.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:10
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CJacobs posted:Peace Walker's story went on for much longer than MGS 5's does, and I feel like the goal was to basically make a story on as grand of a scale, but in console game form instead of portable. Unfortunately it seems to have not worked out in the slightest. I think Peace Walker's visual style and lack of 3D cutscenes definitely contributed to their ability to make the story go on for so long. Peace Walker's post-Coldman plot was basically two scenes with a bridge of Zadornov capture missions that got really tedious. This felt more deliberate than the cut and paste nature of Chapter 2 of TPP, though.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:10
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Panzeh posted:I like to think Venom was given a little prophecy and decided to let Huey go because he knew it would be so much worse.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:10
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Mischitary posted:I mean, it took Kojima Productions 3 years to do one chapter and like half of a chapter for the completed game. The one chapter was actually plenty of plot. I think had some of the chapter 2 material been thrown in, it would've been good enough. People would've been a bit disappointed, but there's no version of MGS5 that doesn't disappoint anyone.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:12
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Kojima probably isn't the best at managing his time, but his attention to detail and depth of gameplay is why his games are so different and good. Being able to actually do almost any crazy thing you can imagine, and having enemy AI that reacts to all those crazy things, is one of the big things separating his games from all the other sterile AAA titles. I love that Kojima will come in and make people retexture a doorknob because it didn't look right and gave an unflattering impression of his artists' hard work. People that wish he had cut down on the gameplay elements to add more story are crazy. Grizzled Patriarch fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Sep 13, 2015 |
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Sep 13, 2015 22:19
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What's up with people being so surprised at how powerful Baby Mantis is? This is the character who came back from the dead in 4 just to gently caress around with Snake and the players themselves before God and The Sorrow finally 'busted him.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:21
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Panzeh posted:The one chapter was actually plenty of plot. I think had some of the chapter 2 material been thrown in, it would've been good enough. People would've been a bit disappointed, but there's no version of MGS5 that doesn't disappoint anyone. Honestly I think there should have been no chapter 2. The events of chapter 2 save for Eli kidnapping Sahelanthropus could have just been included in chapter 1 and the game would have been better off in my opinion. Just get rid of the idea of chapters entirely.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:23
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Only for him to be dismissed eternally when he learned of the PS3's superior hard drive space.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:24
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Honestly if they knew the final fight was going to get removed they probably should dropped the cutscene with Eli stealing the Metal Gear. Then it wouldn't had felt as so rushed since it wouldn't hype up a fight that never occurs.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:24
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Ocelot: "This isn't the last we'll hear of this." Is the last you hear of it. Unless you count the credits namedropping Eli's kingdom of the flies which has no context in the game
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Sep 13, 2015 22:27
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Kojima probably isn't the best at managing his time, but his attention to detail and depth of gameplay is why his games are so different and good. Being able to actually do almost any crazy thing you can imagine, and having enemy AI that reacts to all those crazy things, is one of the big things separating his games from all the other sterile AAA titles. I love that Kojima will come in and make people retexture a doorknob because it didn't look right and gave an unflattering impression of his artists' hard work. People that wish he had cut down on the gameplay elements to add more story are crazy. I wasn't advocating cutting anything gameplay wise, but actually the part of the plot that doesn't matter.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:33
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CJacobs posted:Honestly I think there should have been no chapter 2. The events of chapter 2 save for Eli kidnapping Sahelanthropus could have just been included in chapter 1 and the game would have been better off in my opinion. Just get rid of the idea of chapters entirely. It will be interesting in interviews to come if this is actually intended to be a sort of meta-phantom pain. You can tell there's supposed to be more to chapter 2, but that's all that's there and we have to deal with it. EDIT: really, all the cut content and the like just fits with the theme of the game too well. I wouldn't be surprised if the truncated chapter 2 is exactly as intended. I really don't think they would have had more trouble fitting more plot if they'd wanted to, there are over 200 missions in the game, it seems like they had all the time they needed with it. I admit that I could be totally wrong and HK could come out in December or whatever and say 'oh yeah all this other stuff was supposed to happen and didn't, but something tells me that maybe he realized that there really shouldn't be a payoff to Eli stealing Metal Gear. There's a ton of other 'phantom pains' in the game - Like David Hayter not being the voice anymore, or the 'fight' with skullface, the big villain. MG has always ended with a one-on-one with the big bad at the end, but not this one. Full Battle Rattle fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Sep 13, 2015 |
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Sep 13, 2015 22:35
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Panzeh posted:I like to think Venom was given a little prophecy and decided to let Huey go because he knew it would be so much worse. Obviously Ocelot and Venom hired Julie Danziger to ruin his life
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Sep 13, 2015 22:36
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