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Somfin posted:To Tumblr, we are the ivory tower translators of obscure video games. Actually, quite a few of the prominent/major bloggers with the Tumblr left (as in radical leftist bloggers who post in depth about political science, critical theory, economics, and philosophy with a socialist/anarchist/marxist bent) are LF alumni. Most of the LF exodus that didn't end up turning reactionary or turn to WDDP or rhizzone ended up on Tumblr. They never get cited by the gamergaters or people spewing hate at SJWs because they tend to post pretty in depth analyses and are pretty dismissive of the sort of bullshit these guys get obsessed with.
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Cingulate posted:TBH I'm here because of a weakly asserted policy of political correctness. It's just easier to spend time on a board where you can roughly assume only very few of the people reading and writing around you are fascists, unlike basically any other place ever.
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Sep 13, 2015 23:20
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Hellequin posted:Actually, quite a few of the prominent/major bloggers with the Tumblr left (as in radical leftist bloggers who post in depth about political science, critical theory, economics, and philosophy with a socialist/anarchist/marxist bent) are LF alumni. Most of the LF exodus that didn't end up turning reactionary or turn to WDDP or rhizzone ended up on Tumblr. They never get cited by the gamergaters or people spewing hate at SJWs because they tend to post pretty in depth analyses and are pretty dismissive of the sort of bullshit these guys get obsessed with. ... if this actually holds, my curiosity is piqued. Is this written up anywhere?
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Sep 13, 2015 23:27
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divabot posted:i am a dragon, you are now on rw Nessus posted:I like this place a whole lot and I think it has not meaningfully declined in quality (though it has changed over time), but I think a lot of the secret sauce is having ANY sort of an entry barrier, and ANY degree of moderation that is short of completely arbitrary. Most other internet discussion havens can manage, at best, one of these things.
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Sep 13, 2015 23:28
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Cingulate posted:TBH I'm here because of a weakly asserted policy of political correctness. It's just easier to spend time on a board where you can roughly assume only very few of the people reading and writing around you are fascists, unlike basically any other place ever. Same. This is the least lovely place I've run into online, sad as that is.
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Sep 13, 2015 23:33
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Hellequin posted:Actually, quite a few of the prominent/major bloggers with the Tumblr left (as in radical leftist bloggers who post in depth about political science, critical theory, economics, and philosophy with a socialist/anarchist/marxist bent) are LF alumni. Most of the LF exodus that didn't end up turning reactionary or turn to WDDP or rhizzone ended up on Tumblr. They never get cited by the gamergaters or people spewing hate at SJWs because they tend to post pretty in depth analyses and are pretty dismissive of the sort of bullshit these guys get obsessed with. I'm curious, which ones? Cingulate posted:TBH I'm here because of a weakly asserted policy of political correctness. I really hate this term, it's just an older version of the "SJW" complaint. Something like "a weakly asserted policy of not being a racist, sexist, homophobic shitheap" would be better.
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Sep 13, 2015 23:39
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Heresiarch posted:I really hate this term, it's just an older version of the "SJW" complaint. Something like "a weakly asserted policy of not being a racist, sexist, homophobic shitheap" would be better. Incidentally, an opinion I got from this place, by somebody linking me to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99s19HBs-6A In contrast, I don't even know what "SJW" is supposed to mean. I think even "cuck" is better defined.
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Sep 13, 2015 23:43
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Heresiarch posted:I'm curious, which ones? I'm not super in with the group (I lurked LF starting around '07, but never really posted, and only rarely checked out the IRC channel) and I can't remember everyone's usernames (in terms of big names I know fishmech and I think greycat are on tumblr, cory doctorow used to have an account but deactivated a while back). I only follow a few of them, but it's not uncommon to run into former LF posters in those circles, I know that http://antoine-roquentin.tumblr.com/ is ex-LF and he posts some great stuff that tends to make rounds. If you come across a blog that's all in lowercase, makes posts about marxism and shitposts there's a good chance they're ex-LF. A lot of the blogs are personal things though and I'd rather not post them.
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Sep 13, 2015 23:51
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Cingulate posted:Hm. I guess I'm not too hung up on the name, and maybe it's irrecoverably lost to idiots It is. It is used almost exclusively by shitheaps and the reason that comedy routine works is because of that. If normal people used the term then it wouldn't be that funny. quote:In contrast, I don't even know what "SJW" is supposed to mean. It's supposed to evoke a mental image of a teenage tumblr user who is incredibly emotional about left-wing causes like racism, misogyny, etc, but is really just an idiot child who throws temper tantrums. It's a smear word that shitheaps use to make it sound like they are up against irrational babies and that they are the cool, collected adults.
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Sep 13, 2015 23:54
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Hellequin posted:I'm not super in with the group (I lurked LF starting around '07, but never really posted, and only rarely checked out the IRC channel) and I can't remember everyone's usernames (in terms of big names I know fishmech and I think greycat are on tumblr, cory doctorow used to have an account but deactivated a while back). I only follow a few of them, but it's not uncommon to run into former LF posters in those circles, I know that http://antoine-roquentin.tumblr.com/ is ex-LF and he posts some great stuff that tends to make rounds. If you come across a blog that's all in lowercase, makes posts about marxism and shitposts there's a good chance they're ex-LF. A lot of the blogs are personal things though and I'd rather not post them. According to Nydwracu some person from buzzfeed is connected to LF somehow. He also thinks William Gibson used to post on LF. Nydwracu is an idiot so I won't be surprised if he's wrong, he's just deathly afraid of LF and throws up these conspiracy theories connecting left-leaning people on the internet to LF somehow.
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Merdifex posted:According to Nydwracu some person from buzzfeed is connected to LF somehow. He also thinks William Gibson used to post on LF. Nydwracu is an idiot so I won't be surprised if he's wrong, he's just deathly afraid of LF and throws up these conspiracy theories connecting left-leaning people on the internet to LF somehow. He got trolled by maggotmaster, who was an LF person, and now he's latched onto the stupid conspiracy theories about it. I think dril is also supposed to be a SJW plant.
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Sep 14, 2015 00:12
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Holy crap, I had no idea what LF was but I did end up following a bunch of hilarious lowercase-marxist-shitpost Tumblr accounts via following some of the artists I know from CC. I always wondered who the heck those guys were because they were hilarious.
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Sep 14, 2015 00:14
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I've gotta say, running the "Change Social Justice Warrior/SJW to Skeleton Warrior/Skeleton" and "Change Political Correctness to Treating People With Respect" extensions in Chrome make this thread even more of a delight.
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Sep 14, 2015 00:33
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Cingulate posted:In contrast, I don't even know what "SJW" is supposed to mean. I think even "cuck" is better defined. I actually first encountered the term "SJW" on SA. It was in a thread mocking people who claimed that being a demisexual trans-ethnic otherkin with fictive headmates (at least one of whom is married to Sephiroth on the astral plane) was just as legit as being trans, and anything that contradicted their preferred view of themselves was a form of violence in need of trigger warnings etc. lest they have an attack of PTSD. Tumblr dot txt stuff. The term "SJW" was being used then to mock the crazy attention-seekers who were trying to out-special-snowflake each other in their Internet hugbox, and who were coopting the language of social justice to do so. The canonical example was the person who said, in apparent seriousness when their parents demanded they get a job rather than continue to mooch off them, "A toddler and a flying dog CANNOT do work intended for an adult human."
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Sep 14, 2015 00:47
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eschaton posted:I actually first encountered the term "SJW" on SA. (a good thing)
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eschaton posted:I actually first encountered the term "SJW" on SA. And these days this term is used by gators and the like to describe anybody they don't like, because they want people to associate basic civility with crazy otherkin. There are plenty of genuinely crazy left-wing and lgbt-esque people on tumblr, but right now when an MRA starts talking about "SJWs" that's not who he's talking about. He's talking about women who have the balls to say "I would like to not receive rape threats in my inbox".
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Sep 14, 2015 00:53
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I should probably stop checking in on this, but man this is going places That's some purestrain "GRRR GOONS".
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Sep 14, 2015 00:53
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"SA's culture of contempt" are they angry at SA ... disliking things? (And no, I haven't actually read the whole thread on that tumbler thing because haha gently caress no)
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Sep 14, 2015 00:56
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I dislike people who make those assertions! In fact, it could fairly be said that I have contempt for such a notion.
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Sep 14, 2015 00:59
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Cingulate posted:"SA's culture of contempt" are they angry at SA ... disliking things? "Contempt" here is supposed to mean "crocodile humor" which in turn means nothing. But the way NRx uses the term, it means criticism of poor oppressed straight white males who are made low-status or something. As for what "status" means to these people, here's an idiot bloviating on twitter about it. Merdifex has a new favorite as of 01:07 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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Sep 14, 2015 01:05
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Merdifex posted:But the way NRx uses the term, it means criticism of poor oppressed straight white males who are made low-status or something. And in some reactionary media, straight white males are oppressed - by feminist thought police/alimony rape, reverse racism, etc. But when you see the word Cathedral, you know you're in for a story where your ideology actually rules the world with a gigantic pink fist of doom. (Being straight, white and male is great, everyone should give it a try at least once.)
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:I've gotta say, running the "Change Skeleton Warrior/skeleton to Skeleton Warrior/Skeleton" and "Change Treating people with respect to Treating People With Respect" extensions in Chrome make this thread even more of a delight. This post is a trip when you're already running both
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Cingulate posted:As a straight white male, all of this stuff is pure pornography. There's a story, I think I knew it from Zizek, of how some Jewish immigrants in the 40s loved to read Nazi propaganda rather than Jewish media, because Jewish media was all about how Jews are oppressed and being murdered by the millions and so on, but in Nazi propaganda, Jews were extremely powerful and ran the world.
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Merdifex posted:But the way NRx uses the term, it means criticism of poor oppressed straight white males who are made low-status or something. The world is actually a cross between an African Savannah and an American High School. Don't try to argue this, don't point out that it's often used as unfalsifiable ad hominem, it's proven 
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Sep 14, 2015 01:27
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My favorite Rev-ism is his firm belief that MRAs are better than feminists because MRAs are the only people who care about black men being raped in prison. Only MRAs care about this. No, shut up all those left wing people who care about this don't count because reasons. You just hate them because they are low status. No I'm not going to attack racial inequality in America outside of bringing this up every time I feel the need to defend MRAs, why do you ask?
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Was it in this thread that people were talking about E.O. Wilson? What terrible ideas does he have? Because I remember reading some of Consilience and I just came across it packing my books. I"m wondering if I skipped or otherwise missed something really terrible in it.
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Political Whores posted:Was it in this thread that people were talking about E.O. Wilson? What terrible ideas does he have? Because I remember reading some of Consilience and I just came across it packing my books. I"m wondering if I skipped or otherwise missed something really terrible in it. There's a lot to him and the general trends and debates in academia he was a part of. Later in his life I'd say he has moderated a bit, but in the 80s and so when sociobiology was a thing there was a lot of bullshitting in favor of hereditism without any evidence. This led to the fields of evolutionary psychology and the it spawned along with horrible research with bad methodologies. This stuff came to its apex with the race and intelligence "debate" involving morons like Arthur Jensen and J. P. Rushton. The underlying theme to all this is the misuse of (bad) science to justify bigotry. There's a lot of stuff here that's still going on, you have Nicholas Wade's lovely 2014 book and the HBD "movement" which reiterated the same hereditist arguments. There's a lot there to say about this stuff, and many scholars have. E. O. Wilson now is not as bad as he was, but you still see stuff like him taking memes seriously in Consilience. That book is not in itself about sociobiology or evo-psych. A small review by S. J. Gould, an interlocutor of Wilson's, is here if you want to read. Merdifex has a new favorite as of 04:21 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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Heresiarch posted:And these days this term is used by gators and the like to describe anybody they don't like, because they want people to associate basic civility with crazy otherkin. Yeah, it's unfortunate how the term has been usurped by terrible people. On the plus side there are also people trying to undermine the term from the other side and turn it into a positive. "Social Justice Warrior? Sounds awesome, how can I be one?"
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Merdifex posted:There's a lot to him and the general trends and debates in academia he was a part of. Later in his life I'd say he has moderated a bit, but in the 80s and so when sociobiology was a thing there was a lot of bullshitting in favor of hereditism without any evidence. This led to the fields of evolutionary psychology and the Nick Wade is such a stone rock block stupid rear end in a top hat and I will forever regret buying a copy of his garbage book. It's the only book I ever hurled across a room in frustration and the only book I ever tossed into the recycling bin. If it makes it to paperback there was someone asleep at Penguin. It's just the dumbest thing that I can't believe anyone could read it and not throw it away by the time he suggests that the evolutionary pressures of Russian pogroms caused European Jews to develop genes for covetousness and bookkeeping. He's not even a loving scientist! He lists his BA as a qualification in his bio.
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Merdifex posted:There's a lot to him and the general trends and debates in academia he was a part of. Later in his life I'd say he has moderated a bit, but in the 80s and so when sociobiology was a thing there was a lot of bullshitting in favor of hereditism without any evidence. This led to the fields of evolutionary psychology and the
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Cingulate posted:I just relinked Andrew Gelman's review of Wade in the Debate thread: http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...ions_about.html I love that every academic who actually works in the fields Wade pretends to know about came out to debunk his bullshit.
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Merdifex posted:I love that every academic who actually works in the fields Wade pretends to know about came out to debunk his bullshit.
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Jack Gladney posted:he suggests that the evolutionary pressures of Russian pogroms caused European Jews to develop genes for covetousness and bookkeeping. loving seriously? Did he have any just-so stories about hooked noses? Christ.
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Cingulate posted:What I liked about Gelman's take was not so much that he said that he's wrong, but just that he's much too confident - skepticism over attacks. When you write garbage like what Wade wrote, what you're saying is not wrong, but baseless, and utterly pointless. It's especially egregious when you have the world's foremost scholars in the relevant fields and say: "...Wade juxtaposes an incomplete and inaccurate account of our research on human genetic differences with speculation that recent natural selection has led to worldwide differences in I.Q. test results, political institutions and economic development. We reject Wade’s implication that our findings substantiate his guesswork. They do not." ...and publish an open letter decrying this one book. Merdifex has a new favorite as of 05:41 on Sep 14, 2015 |
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Heresiarch posted:loving seriously? No, but you might say that he has a few things to say about flat, wide noses and big lips and a love for watermelons and dancing, (not that last one, but cultural history seems a little too sophisticated for him to grasp) and how they correlate with genes that might prefer violence as a way of solving problems. He is a garbage human.
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Meanwhile I can take comfort knowing that they clutch their phones a tad bit harder when a person they rant online passes by them on the way to work.
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Jack Gladney posted:It's just the dumbest thing that I can't believe anyone could read it and not throw it away by the time he suggests that the evolutionary pressures of Russian pogroms caused European Jews to develop genes for covetousness and bookkeeping. But no. Literally evolving to be covetous bankers.
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Heresiarch posted:And these days this term is used by gators and the like to describe anybody they don't like, because they want people to associate basic civility with crazy otherkin. when called on it, they'll usually pull out the bullshit excuse "no no no the liberals/left leaning dont like filthy sjws too!  "
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I want to ask if Wade at any point addresses the fact that there's more genetic diversity within sub-Saharan Africa than there is outside it, but I think I already know the answer. There's a greater genetic distance between the Bantu and Khoisan people than there is between any two "Caucasian" groups you can pick (like for example, East Indians and Germans), but I've never seen a single work of scientific racism even acknowledge that there exists distinct populations like that in Africa.
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Nessus posted:What the gently caress, man. Like if you wanted to make some claim like "thousands of years of exalting textual study may have led Jews to have above-average ability to acquire written language," OK, that's something vaguely plausible on the level of non-dairy-drinking cultures not having the genes to digest milk as adults. You might even be able to test this hypothesis. He uses lactose tolerance, an extremely simple mutation to a single gene that had 10,000 years to happen, as his only example of recent human evolution. So 400 years of getting chased out of European villages is obviously the same thing. Just like easy jungle living made African savages lazy and prone to demanding welfare from those hard-working honest white Americans!
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