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Hodgepodge posted:Fair enough, but that doesn't really mean that the first shift in polling determines the overall momentum of a campaign. That's not what I said. I merely pointed out Hillary lost her starting advantage, and will have to deal with a new, much less favourable starting point.
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Trump is speaking in front of 20,000 people right now live on CNN
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Sep 15, 2015 00:45
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Trump is speaking in front of 20,000 people right now live on CNN The media can no longer ignore Mr. Trump.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Hey look, it's even got the ring and the rear end in a top hat. I think that's the hardest I laughed in at least a week. 
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 This is a pretty interesring poll, it at least slightly suggests that democrat-favoring women aren't likely to resist negative trends just due to the gender of the candidate or percieved Historic Moment. I wonder if theres a poll to gauge how many female democrats respond well to economically left policies compared to male democrats?
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Wall Street is starting to get worried about Trump and Sanders. My favorite line: quote:"I don't know anyone who is a Donald Trump supporter. I don’t know anyone who knows anyone who is a Donald Trump supporter. They are like this huge mystery group,” the CEO said. 
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Sep 15, 2015 01:00
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Trump is speaking in front of 20,000 people right now live on CNN Wow, CNN's ratings are worse than I imagined
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Sep 15, 2015 01:01
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But everyone I know voted for McGovern.
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Sep 15, 2015 01:03
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I have conflicted thoughts about the rise of Ben Carson in the polls. I originally thought he would flame out quickly but he's already managed to make some missteps without it having any effect on his poll numbers. On one hand he has no political experience and on paper you wouldn't think he would be able to make it far but on the other hand he's basically a nice, soft-spoken, polite man who's every bit as ideologically extreme as Ted Cruz. He kind of has the Walker effect going where if you don't pay attention to politics you're not going to have any idea just how odious his ideology is, compared to someone like Cruz who won't go 2 seconds without reminding you.
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Sep 15, 2015 01:05
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steinrokkan posted:That's not what I said. I merely pointed out Hillary lost her starting advantage, and will have to deal with a new, much less favourable starting point. Oh, for sure. Especially since she'll likely lose or at least have to fight hard for Iowa and NH, and those have a huge impact of people's impressions at the start of the race. My reading of your posts was more like "once support is lost a candidate will regain little to none of it" rather than "some of that loss represents a persistent preference for another candidate."
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Ben carson taking over the evangelical vote from Huckabee is fine by me, because Huckabee is absolutely disgusting and Carson isn't afraid to break from the party line when it comes to race issues. It's like voting Trump over Jeb/Walker in states where you can vote in both primaries; you dont want any of the three for prez over your real fave, but you still support them to push the party towards your ideals. I'd give Carson a vote over Huckabee.
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Neurolimal posted:I'd give Carson a vote over Huckabee. I thought I knew what it meant to drat someone with faint praise, but you have taught me that I knew nothing.
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Sep 15, 2015 01:13
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Trump is pushing the anti-super PAC, anti-corporate rhetoric super hard in this speech right now. Obviously he's just as gently caress you got mine as any Republican but he's couching it in populism. I can really see how voters who would otherwise agree with a pro-worker platform but have been conditioned to hate unions and OMG SOCIALISM would be attracted to this guy. He's saying everything Bernie's been saying but in a bombastic smarmy rear end in a top hat fashion and it works.
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i can't believe they let these parasites be quoted anyomously, throw your entire networth to run 24/7 attack adds on 9000 channels for a year, it won't matter
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pathetic little tramp posted:Hell I know I've switched my support to Trump, I can see how a lot of people would. I don't agree with him on immigration, but let's face it, his plan isn't going to be able to work. I'm all for his higher taxes on higher earners though. please don't be a sucker for trump
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Spooky Forum Ghost posted:Join the revolution Mockingturd
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Sep 15, 2015 01:23
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Winning hearts and minds one at a time. Why vote for some poor loser hippy senile grandpa kook who regurgitates mindless leftist hyperbole about "AMERICA BEING FOUNDED ON RAYYSISSSM" when you can vote for an Alpha Dog winner who can actually win the election and actually deliver meaningful change.
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Boosted_C5 posted:and actually deliver meaningful change. Really now..
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CNN and MSNBC have been playing speech no ads for close to an hour Not playing the speech: Fox News
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Dante80 posted:Really now.. Forced relocation of millions of people and the resulting chaos and death would be meaningful. Change we can believe in 
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Donald Trump has changed his mind on abortion live on stage at a debate but I'm sure he'll fight for higher taxes on high earners as president based on some vague things he's said
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:CNN and MSNBC have been playing speech no ads for close to an hour
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LOL if you think we're getting mass deportations. Trump's lengthy immigration platform posted on his site is actually quite simple - a strong opening negotiation position in which he asks for literally everything. Clown's like Jeb! ask for almost nothing in the first place because they're pussies who pander, and because they're bought and paid for, and after negotiation he'll end up with what the GOP always gets - absolutely nothing. Non-criminals (other than their immigration crime) aren't getting deported. What we will get though is the real important stuff - curbing visa abuse, using e-verify, securing the border much better and being able to better screen future entrants and prevent unwanted entrants, etc. I can't wait for him to publish his economic/tax policy paper next. I'm hoping for some BIG cuts to marginal income tax rates balanced out by making taxation fairer and ending preferential treatment for wall-street, the same treatment Obama and the democrats have defended in order to hike our marginal income tax rates up again.
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Tom Brady posted:Isn't this one actually true though? No and the same claim is made about Rome in The Aeneid. That book is also responsible for the especially dumb scene in Troy where Orlando Bloom gives The Sword of Troy(tm) to Aeneas, though the movie treats them as strangers and not cousins like in the Aeneid. Troy was a really bad movie though  Montasque posted:Trump as Odysseus? He would never get lost at sea for 10 years, not going to happen, that's for losers. The yoojest most luxurious cruise. pathetic little tramp posted:Eh, it's America in 2015, we'll do better than the Trail of Tears this time I think. There are plenty of crazy fuckers in the extreme right who would happily sign up for the Trumpstaffel if it means they get to maybe live out their xenophobic murder fantasies.
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Seriously, I thought I was beyond having blood pressure issues over campaign red meat, but the stuff from Huckabee today on the refugees is really under my skin bad. He just flew right to the top of my poo poo list among these candidates.
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Boosted_C5 posted:LOL if you think we're getting mass deportations. I agree, Trump wouldn't be an effective president
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Boosted_C5 posted:LOL if you think we're getting mass deportations. I agree. The blank slate candidate will do the things he's saying that I agree with and none of the things he's saying that I don't agree with.
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Boosted_C5 posted:LOL if you think we're getting mass deportations. "Make America Great Again" is Trump's opening position. After lengthy negotiations he'll settle for "Make America Sort of lovely and Cash Out While You Can," then declare bankruptcy and laugh all the way to the bank.
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mdemone posted:Seriously, I thought I was beyond having blood pressure issues over campaign red meat, but the stuff from Huckabee today on the refugees is really under my skin bad. He just flew right to the top of my poo poo list among these candidates. Step back a second, what'd Huckaboogie do this time, propose a steel dome?
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Father Wendigo posted:Step back a second, what'd Huckaboogie do this time, propose a steel dome? He insinuated that Syrian refuges are fleeing to the west because we have better television over here.
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Boosted_C5 posted:I can't wait for him to publish his economic/tax policy paper next. I'm hoping for some BIG cuts to marginal income tax rates balanced out by making taxation fairer and ending preferential treatment for wall-street, the same treatment Obama and the democrats have defended in order to hike our marginal income tax rates up again. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Trump say he would publish his economy paper before Wednesdays debate? Has his campaign given a date yet, because I would love to see him go in both guns blazing, calling Bush and Walker puppets of billionaires for 2 hours.
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Bbbbut I thought the email scandal had no effect on the Teflon Lady. Woops! JT Jag posted:And that's why John McCain is president of the United States now. McCain lost because the economy completely loving exploded right after he said "i'm not good at the economy". His support basically evaporated overnight from that. Also being black helped Obama a lot more than it hurt him. Neurolimal posted:
She's sunk if this keeps up, good lord that's a huge drop.
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stoutfish posted:trump is a maverick Ʃame
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stoutfish posted:trump is a maverick So what's with this monomaniacal focus on lowering marginal tax rates, other than the objective truth that whatever rate taxes are at, they are Too High, and need to be Lowered, to Unleash the Power of the Free Market?
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MaxxBot posted:I have conflicted thoughts about the rise of Ben Carson in the polls. I find it extremely hard to believe he's going to be able to keep his support while saying things such as that the republicans have ignored the black community. Just not going to happen, it's something that would play nicely in the general but absolutely will not fly with the R's that vote in primaries. Boosted_C5 posted:I can't wait for him to publish his economic/tax policy paper next. I'm hoping for some BIG cuts to marginal income tax rates balanced out by making taxation fairer and ending preferential treatment for wall-street, the same treatment Obama and the democrats have defended in order to hike our marginal income tax rates up again. Yea, he's way to the left of Hillary or Obama on wallstreet. tsa fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Sep 15, 2015 |
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mdemone posted:Seriously, I thought I was beyond having blood pressure issues over campaign red meat, but the stuff from Huckabee today on the refugees is really under my skin bad. He just flew right to the top of my poo poo list among these candidates. Let's hope it comes up in debate
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Father Wendigo posted:Step back a second, what'd Huckaboogie do this time, propose a steel dome? Said this, but unironically: 
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Fish Cant Hold Gun posted:He insinuated that Syrian refuges are fleeing to the west because we have better television over here. That is the main difference between refugees and migrants. Refugees are escaping strife and turmoil in their homeland while migrants are looking for a better cable package.
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