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Kro-Bar posted:So is Walker pretty much done now that he's released his plan to destroy federal unions? He's got tens of millions in his campaign/PAC. He's not going anywhere
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Kro-Bar posted:So is Walker pretty much done now that he's released his plan to destroy federal unions? Pretty much, IMO. It's him going "notice me Koch-senpai" but I'm certain that the bigger disqualifier isn't the federal unions but him wanting to expand right-to-work nationwide. There's no way he could win the general election making that clear.
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Sep 15, 2015 02:27
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I like the new Walker ad that has Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton at the end. Bernie is Voldemort to the Kochs.
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Sep 15, 2015 02:33
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President Barack Hussein Obamacare posted:It’s not just sometimes folks who are mad that colleges are too liberal that have a problem. Sometimes there are folks on college campuses who are liberal, and maybe even agree with me on a bunch of issues, who sometimes aren’t listening to the other side, and that’s a problem too. I’ve heard some college campuses where they don’t want to have a guest speaker who is too conservative or they don’t want to read a book if it has language that is offensive to African-Americans or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards women. I gotta tell you, I don’t agree with that either. I don’t agree that you, when you become students at colleges, have to be coddled and protected from different points of view. I think you should be able to — anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with ‘em. But you shouldn’t silence them by saying, "You can’t come because I'm too sensitive to hear what you have to say." That’s not the way we learn either. http://www.vox.com/2015/9/14/932696..._content=monday Interesting and heartening to see the President come out against the over-reacting trigger warning crowd. For a while there I was afraid I'd become old and fallen into the ol "political correctness run amok!" hole, so it's nice to see Obama feels the same general way.
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Sep 15, 2015 02:47
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quote:Republican presidential candidate Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin intends to curtail the power of the labor movement through a series of dramatic legal reforms, according to a white paper released by his campaign on Monday. http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...dium=SocialFlow  Somewhere, Ayn Rand creamed herself.
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Sep 15, 2015 02:52
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How are u posted:http://www.vox.com/2015/9/14/932696..._content=monday At the same time there's something to say for "I don't want my organization to tacitly endorse this person's views by inviting them to speak." My alma mater now has the GWB presidential library, and I don't much like the context that gives to my degree. Of course, no one who knew of SMU ever thought it was a liberal institution but still.
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Sep 15, 2015 02:53
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Young Freud posted:Pretty much, IMO. It's him going "notice me Koch-senpai" but I'm certain that the bigger disqualifier isn't the federal unions but him wanting to expand right-to-work nationwide. There's no way he could win the general election making that clear. Its worth noting that John McCain had a bus and was basically toast and then he won NH and the rest is history.
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Young Freud posted:Pretty much, IMO. It's him going "notice me Koch-senpai" but I'm certain that the bigger disqualifier isn't the federal unions but him wanting to expand right-to-work nationwide. There's no way he could win the general election making that clear. Right to work laws are unfortunately pretty popular, and this is compounded by the fact the most unionized states are already deep blue
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CommieGIR posted:
holy gently caress. that's some gilded age poo poo right there.
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Sep 15, 2015 03:07
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How are u posted:http://www.vox.com/2015/9/14/932696..._content=monday Actually you did
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Dapper_Swindler posted:holy gently caress. that's some gilded age poo poo right there. You say that like it's a bad thing. Kinda guessing the plutocrats see that period of history a little differently than you might.
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Lessail posted:Actually you did I stand with the President 
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Luigi Thirty posted:Brave of politicians to come out against fraud now that the statutes of limitations for 2008 have passed. The statute of limitations probably passed a long time ago; the fraud was committed before the collapse itself.
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Raerlynn posted:Allow me to put this to a question then. An elected official represents an area that is anti gay rights. Should the elected official substitute her own morals and override the will of her constituents? Or should she support the measure that her constituents support, personal thoughts on the morality be damned? I'm responding to this from a while ago because it's important. There are two types of elected officials, and each is just fine as long as you know what you're getting: *A pure representative. This person is elected and will do what the constituents want, no matter what. *A leader (for lack of better term). This person states their principles and ideas and if you want to vote for them, you do so with the understanding that the person will act in accordance with those principles and ideas, even if they are contrary to what the majority of constituents want at the time. Like I said, one is not inherently better than the other.
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How are u posted:http://www.vox.com/2015/9/14/932696..._content=monday Good poo poo.
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blue squares posted:I'm responding to this from a while ago because it's important. There are two types of elected officials, and each is just fine as long as you know what you're getting: Therein lies my problem with the complaints leveled against HRC. If her constituents don't want gay rights, then it would make sense for her to oppose gay rights. But to come back and hit her over it because now her constituency has changed and now approves of the very thing that they decried a handful of years back strikes me as setting her up to fail. If she didn't do what her constituents told her to, then she's not doing her job. If she does do what they want, and reverses course when her constituency dictates, she accused of playing the field. If she doe do what they want, and doubles down when her constituency changes, she's out of touch and oppressive. That hardly seems like a fair argument to me.
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Kro-Bar posted:So is Walker pretty much done now that he's released his plan to destroy federal unions? I'm curious how soon he'll have to walk it back to not include police and firefighters unions...
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Sep 15, 2015 04:47
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I'm sincerely asking this, but why does everyone assume that Bernie Sanders can't/won't win the nomination? I'm stuck in a liberal bubble in my city so my information feed is limited.
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Sep 15, 2015 04:49
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Toph Bei Fong posted:I'm curious how soon he'll have to walk it back to not include police and firefighters unions... There are actually aspects of military pensions and benefits that would be hurt by this too.
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KittenofDoom posted:I'm sincerely asking this, but why does everyone assume that Bernie Sanders can't/won't win the nomination? I'm stuck in a liberal bubble in my city so my information feed is limited. Here's the list of the major Democratic Party operatives that have endorsed and/or support Bernie Sanders: Here's the list of major Democratic Party operatives that have endorsed and/or support Hillary Clinton: ALL OF THEM
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Sep 15, 2015 04:58
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Raerlynn posted:Therein lies my problem with the complaints leveled against HRC. If her constituents don't want gay rights, then it would make sense for her to oppose gay rights. But to come back and hit her over it because now her constituency has changed and now approves of the very thing that they decried a handful of years back strikes me as setting her up to fail. It is basically trying to apply social media swarming rules (where since the internet is forever anything bad you did is forever, etc etc etc.) to real world politics. Except social media swarming is cancer so it doesn't really work all that well. KittenofDoom posted:I'm sincerely asking this, but why does everyone assume that Bernie Sanders can't/won't win the nomination? I'm stuck in a liberal bubble in my city so my information feed is limited. The theory was the early states were favorable to him demographically speaking and as soon as he left NH nothing was. Of course that got blown up by newer polling showing him very popular with working class whites and makng inroads with nonwhites. Now its basically a function of Hillary being able to bury him in money, and her locking in key endorsements and super delegates
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I think it would be beneficial to discuss Bernie's views on Palestine/Occupied Palestine/Israel. Has he stopped acting like model rockets are sufficient cause for bulldozing homes and bombing cities?
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Sep 15, 2015 05:04
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FAUXTON posted:I think it would be beneficial to discuss Bernie's views on Palestine/Occupied Palestine/Israel. Has he stopped acting like model rockets are sufficient cause for bulldozing homes and bombing cities? Yes, he hasn't done much to actively speak out against it but he has at least improved from telling Palestinians who question him to get out of his events.
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Sep 15, 2015 05:23
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How are u posted:http://www.vox.com/2015/9/14/932696..._content=monday More to the point, it seems like every time this sort of thing comes up in real life, it's actually conservatives making the complaint, like the religious Duke students who wouldn't read Fun Home because it involves lesbians. Seems like this "trigger warning culture" is just more overblown projection from the usual suspects (+ some new internet-based suspects).
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Sep 15, 2015 06:11
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T. Bombastus posted:Seems like this "trigger warning culture" is just more overblown projection from the usual suspects (+ some new internet-based suspects). Not really.
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wanna see a vox dot com piece about obama's opinion re: the knockout gameKittenofDoom posted:I'm sincerely asking this, but why does everyone assume that Bernie Sanders can't/won't win the nomination? I'm stuck in a liberal bubble in my city so my information feed is limited. he has a decent amount of grassroots support but it's magnified because he's the only barely credible opponent to clinton. really his only support comes from people who are disillusioned with and upset at the system, and the thing about people who don't want to work with the system don't get what they want because they have no power
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T. Bombastus posted:Seems like this "trigger warning culture" is just more overblown projection from the usual suspects (+ some new internet-based suspects). That's generally because it's basically a carbon-copy of the age-old whining about "The P.C. Police" and similar rabble. Old shitters, new thesaurus, same waffling on whether rape is legitimate.
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Brannock posted:Not really.
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Sep 15, 2015 06:20
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How are u posted:http://www.vox.com/2015/9/14/932696..._content=monday Me too brother. I dislike the whole "trigger warning" culture that has popped up lately too. I'm a pretty liberal guy, but I feel like that's more than just an escape from feeling uncomfortable- it's a road that doesn't lead to a thoughtful society but a more totalitarian one. I'm glad the president shared his views on this with us.
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KittenofDoom posted:I'm sincerely asking this, but why does everyone assume that Bernie Sanders can't/won't win the nomination? I'm stuck in a liberal bubble in my city so my information feed is limited. Hillary Clinton has infinitely more institutional support, much more money, and is both familiar to and liked by most rank-and-file Democrats. That's a pretty difficult candidate to beat. Also Bernie Sanders does not look anything like what you would expect a typical candidate for the Democratic nomination to look like, and in fact has not been in the Democratic Party for most of his career. I don't think either of those are bad things, to be clear
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There are a growing group of insane people in this country that believe the mass shootings are faked by the government to take their guns. They then harass the survivors to get them to "admit the truth" that they're an actor and that their loved ones aren't really dead. This makes me sad.
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Sep 15, 2015 07:50
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Popular Thug Drink posted:really his only support comes from people who are disillusioned with and upset at the system, and the thing about people who don't want to work with the system don't get what they want because they have no power Come on, man. I'm not even a Sanders supporter and this is kind of nuts. He's not some crazy anti-establishment candidate, he's just a pro-labor politician who is slightly left of a largely center-right Democratic party. His most extreme platform positions are a higher minimum wage and free access to public higher education, not exactly earth shattering policies or things that don't exist already in other countries. Characterizing him as someone supported by those who "don't want to work with the system" is just absurd. He's not a revolutionary.
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Bob Ojeda posted:Hillary Clinton has infinitely more institutional support, much more money, and is both familiar to and liked by most rank-and-file Democrats. That's a pretty difficult candidate to beat. Also Bernie has almost no appeal with minority voters whereas Hillary has broad minority support.
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Paradoxish posted:Come on, man. I'm not even a Sanders supporter and this is kind of nuts. He's not some crazy anti-establishment candidate, he's just a pro-labor politician who is slightly left of a largely center-right Democratic party. His most extreme platform positions are a higher minimum wage and free access to public higher education, not exactly earth shattering policies or things that don't exist already in other countries. Characterizing him as someone supported by those who "don't want to work with the system" is just absurd. He's not a revolutionary. I think you've very effectively explained why many people don't find him worth getting excited over.
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Trabisnikof posted:There are a growing group of insane people in this country that believe the mass shootings are faked by the government to take their guns. Would it be acceptably ironic for a grieving family member of a victim to shoot someone harassing them over it being a false flag?
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Paradoxish posted:Come on, man. I'm not even a Sanders supporter and this is kind of nuts. He's not some crazy anti-establishment candidate, he's just a pro-labor politician who is slightly left of a largely center-right Democratic party. His most extreme platform positions are a higher minimum wage and free access to public higher education, not exactly earth shattering policies or things that don't exist already in other countries. Characterizing him as someone supported by those who "don't want to work with the system" is just absurd. He's not a revolutionary. To be fair there is an awful lot of projection going on with Bernie, I think half of his Internet supporters missed the memo that he wasn't running on a platform of "gently caress Hillary that's all."
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FAUXTON posted:I think it would be beneficial to discuss Bernie's views on Palestine/Occupied Palestine/Israel. Has he stopped acting like model rockets are sufficient cause for bulldozing homes and bombing cities? Maybe you should send him some of your favorite pieces from the Institute for Historical Review? BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Uh, the view on mass incarceration has slowly evolved among academics in the field over the last twenty years or so, I am not sure how you can say that with a straight face. But arguing over Hillary's "motives" is basically completely unproductive and goes no where because for some people nothing will ever make them think she's not some cold, hardened evil person who only does that her polls tell her to do. A certain narcissistic myopia found in people whose political awareness doesn't predate the iPhone and who are convinced everyone who had an opinion before they formed theirs must be a collaborator or a fool. Calling everyone who supported increased incarceration is kind of a case in point, since that includes those noted white supremacists in the Congressional Black Caucus. KittenofDoom posted:I'm sincerely asking this, but why does everyone assume that Bernie Sanders can't/won't win the nomination? I'm stuck in a liberal bubble in my city so my information feed is limited. A higher level of support for Hillary among Democrats as a whole(a small number of early primary states with a negligible total number of delegates notwithstanding) and an absolutely overwhelmingly higher level of support from important party actors like elected politicians and major activist groups. It's possible, but it would really require a pretty substantial Hillary fuckup of the sort she's not made in the past.
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James Garfield posted:To be fair there is an awful lot of projection going on with Bernie, I think half of his Internet supporters missed the memo that he wasn't running on a platform of "gently caress Hillary that's all." There's a whole lot of projection because that's how primaries go. Remember in 2008 on here how all the Obama supporters were Clinton hating misogynists and all the Clinton supporters were racists afraid of a black president whenever the fights got really ugly?
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McDowell posted:I like the new Walker ad that has Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton at the end. Bernie is Voldemort to the Kochs. The Kochs only target you if they think you pose a threat.
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