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peak debt posted:I'm guessing he's talking about the Shah Massoud assassination? Although that happened on 9/9. I'm also not sure why that involves brainwashing by corporate media. AQ caps a British ally who would in fact have been one of the top men in the anti-Taliban coalition. Fits perfectly well with the absurd conspiracy theory that AQ flew planes into the twin towers and the Pentagon.
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Klaus88 posted:So on the show Fear the Walking dead the U.S. armed forces have just stormed in to save the day. Also, apparently somebody else on the show has decided that subtlety is for chumps and has gone straight to having the army doing Bolivian civil war style death squad tactics. The government being useless/actively malevolent is a huge trope in zombie fiction so I don't know why this is different.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 04:28 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I'm also not sure why that involves brainwashing by corporate media. AQ caps a British ally who would in fact have been one of the top men in the anti-Taliban coalition. Fits perfectly well with the absurd conspiracy theory that AQ flew planes into the twin towers and the Pentagon. Based on the context I expect "what happened the day before 9/11" is either some US government conspiracy or a platitude about how media only show the bad news. I don't know how Massoud would fit into their narrative. fake edit: Google suggests a conspiracy theory where Donald Rumsfeld ordered the Pentagon attack to destroy records. That's probably it. I guess you have to admit that if anyone did that it would be (Nixon or) Donald Rumsfeld.
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Wanna see Terminal Lance but really lovely?quote:So this seems to vary based on location, with the worst offenders being the northeast and west coast. I've been relatively fortunate in this regard, but that's probably because I live in the deep south.
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seiferguy posted:Wanna see Terminal Lance but really lovely? This guys knows what's up, it takes a real veteran to be arrogant pricks to college professors, civvies never go to university and then think they know everything and the professor is an idiot. This sure is someone in the real world sure.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 07:08 |
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My first thought was that it's book/verses that evangelicals pushed before people really knew about all of the stuff Leviticus banned, and they had to either ignore it, or find new passages to justify their bigotry. Feel free to correct me. Also isn't this wrong because Jesus wasn't the 'embodiment' of all of the old stories, was he? I thought he was all "yeah that's old poo poo, just be cool and take care of each other and you're good". As you can tell I know a lot about the Bible.
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hamster_style posted:My first thought was that it's book/verses that evangelicals pushed before people really knew about all of the stuff Leviticus banned, and they had to either ignore it, or find new passages to justify their bigotry. Feel free to correct me. While NT is a heck of a lot more forgiving (ie: don't stone people to death!) there's plenty of verses that instruct believers to not engage in sexual sin. Of course there's that verse that says no one should get married if they can stand to go without, and the whole eat whatever you want was because of a dream that occurred after Jesus was already dead/risen/gone again. Basically, quoting leviticus isn't the best approach because people can more easily pick and choose OT stuff.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 07:45 |
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seiferguy posted:Wanna see Terminal Lance but really lovely? These things always make me wonder "what subject are they talking about?" Because if this is like math or something you should probably listen to what the teacher has to say. It's probably correct. ... Ahh, who am I kidding? In these comics it's "Atheism 101" followed by "Dumb Liberal poo poo Seminar".
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 07:50 |
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seiferguy posted:Wanna see Terminal Lance but really lovely? Is it just that these folks see a lecturer making sounds out of their mouths to a large audience, and the only way they can understand that is through their own experience at church, so therefore professors must be flogging their students with a gospel of sorts too? I took mostly science courses and very little time was spent on a professor opinions. There just wasn't time for it. The only material outside of the common curriculum might be the professor's research. Even in my humanities classes there wasn't really any indoctrination or dogma. The kind of people who make statements like what is shown in this comic would make me assume they'd never been to college, but if they have, then how the hell did they walk away with this view of it?
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Bast Relief posted:Is it just that these folks see a lecturer making sounds out of their mouths to a large audience, and the only way they can understand that is through their own experience at church, so therefore professors must be flogging their students with a gospel of sorts too? Hell, even the sciences often have the giant disclaimer of "This is how we currently understand things," especially if you studied at a research university where the cutting edge of science is constantly shifting. Math is pretty safe though.
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Well if he didn't listen to the Professor I assume he failed since they are the ones who make the assignments and grade them. E: Also I edited that cartoon to better reflect reality Axetrain fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Sep 15, 2015 |
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Klaus88 posted:*off-topic I have this image of states like Texas being totally hosed in walking dead world because they're more afraid of the national guard and the Federal government then the zombies.
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RagnarokAngel posted:The government being useless/actively malevolent is a huge trope in zombie fiction so I don't know why this is different. Because like all tropes, that doesn't have to be the default and shouldn't necessarily be the default? Guavanaut posted:Two of those three groups have actually murdered people in real life though, so there's precedent. Maybe the zombies are chill. "The dead are arising and devouring the living, but OBAMA can't do anything correctly so lets refuse any help from those drat feds!" When did zombies become a conservative media stronghold?
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 13:55 |
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The zombie film is almost a genre basis for the right wing worldview taken to its logical conclusion. If you actually were in a scenario where there were infected living dead wandering the earth trying to consume/convert the living, you would want small groups with high regimentation, composed of people 'like you' that you could trust, you would be wary of strangers, because they might be infected or untrustworthy, you'd want the right sort of people to be heavily armed and more than willing to stand their ground, you would want to capture and secure resources for your stronghold or nomadic band, because anything that other people have impacts your survival directly, and there would be no time for moral relativism, it's us as the good absolute and them as the bad absolute. Basically you would be in survival mode for the in-group and the in-group alone. It's no surprise that there's a certain group that takes it way too much to heart. I'm trying to think if there's a left wing equivalent of behavior by genre identification, possibly post-scarcity utopian sci-fi or something.
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Guavanaut posted:The zombie film is almost a genre basis for the right wing worldview taken to its logical conclusion. If you actually were in a scenario where there were infected living dead wandering the earth trying to consume/convert the living, you would want small groups with high regimentation, composed of people 'like you' that you could trust, you would be wary of strangers, because they might be infected or untrustworthy, you'd want the right sort of people to be heavily armed and more than willing to stand their ground, you would want to capture and secure resources for your stronghold or nomadic band, because anything that other people have impacts your survival directly, and there would be no time for moral relativism, it's us as the good absolute and them as the bad absolute. Basically you would be in survival mode for the in-group and the in-group alone. Vampire movies (and to a lesser extent the rest of the "big scary monster" genre flicks) are about a usually rich, affluent and unproductive member of society that exists solely to drain the lifeblood of the community and otherwise compromise everything around them. They are often brought low by a dedicated team of professionals working on behalf of the terrorized populace. It's no coincidence that Dracula was a nobleman.
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Guavanaut posted:The zombie film is almost a genre basis for the right wing worldview taken to its logical conclusion. If you actually were in a scenario where there were infected living dead wandering the earth trying to consume/convert the living, you would want small groups with high regimentation, composed of people 'like you' that you could trust, you would be wary of strangers, because they might be infected or untrustworthy, you'd want the right sort of people to be heavily armed and more than willing to stand their ground, you would want to capture and secure resources for your stronghold or nomadic band, because anything that other people have impacts your survival directly, and there would be no time for moral relativism, it's us as the good absolute and them as the bad absolute. Basically you would be in survival mode for the in-group and the in-group alone. Funnily enough the one piece of zombie fiction I've actually gotten invested in sidesteps most of those tropes.
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Bast Relief posted:Is it just that these folks see a lecturer making sounds out of their mouths to a large audience, and the only way they can understand that is through their own experience at church, so therefore professors must be flogging their students with a gospel of sorts too? A really good, nice student once got upset when I did my standard lecture on health care distribution (here are how some systems work elsewhere, here's the deficiencies in the pre-ACA American system, we don't have enough data to know how much it's changed yet, but here is the number of people with health care and, yes, bankruptcy is still possible and going to happen...no there is no explanation that justifies health care costs, stop asking). He felt I was trying to plump for a socialist health care system. Which is actually really telling: simply explaining with numbers how American health care compares to other countries is basically an indictment of it. Our system is so bad that its badness functions as an argument for socialism in this student's mind.
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Klaus88 posted:When did zombies become a conservative media stronghold?
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Mentioning non-conservative views in a non-derisive tone is indoctrination, friend. Did you explain that to the student? It's interesting to me that you weren't making that argument, but presenting facts, and the student himself made the argument to himself.
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Tarezax posted:Funnily enough the one piece of zombie fiction I've actually gotten invested in sidesteps most of those tropes. Don't leave us in suspense.
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Keeshhound posted:Don't leave us in suspense. Warning: anime ahead http://bato.to/read/_/182408/gakkou-gurashi_v1_ch1_by_norway-scan Also there is an animated version currently running. It's on Crunchyroll under the name "School Live!".
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The Macaroni posted:Zombie apocalypse is the ultimate libertarian fantasy. Your skills and weapons give you all the authority to do/kill/take whatever you want, and there's no functioning government. It also sucks poo poo to live in one for the brief time before you are eaten or murdered.
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Tarezax posted:Funnily enough the one piece of zombie fiction I've actually gotten invested in sidesteps most of those tropes. Fido, which says that the "good ol days" of the 1950s were built from the middle class subjugating minorities?
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I'm sure most people have heard this but there's a great thing about how zombie and vampire fiction fall in and out of favour with political tides. Zombie fiction is all about the bootstrapped survivors who pull together with their guns to protect themselves from the shambling unwashed masses. Vampire fiction is all about the sequestered aristocracy, sneering down on the working man, literally sucking his blood to survive like a parasite.
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And yet the zombie always wins, these paragons of conservative virtue are always laid low by the masses who work together and even share their meals.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Mentioning non-conservative views in a non-derisive tone is indoctrination, friend. It is very telling to me that some parents send their children to colleges that specifically set out to
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Tarezax posted:Warning: anime ahead The first thing I asked was 'Where did that schoolgirl get that entrenching tool?" Then I noticed that there's no handle after the elbow. Why am I picking up the art/factual errors when looking at a picture of two school girls in what I am told is zombie fiction? Am I truly that far gone?
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J.A.B.C. posted:The first thing I asked was 'Where did that schoolgirl get that entrenching tool?" Just a bad photoshop. She's holding a shovel, but the handle must have been cut off when pasting from the source image. Also, what is wrong with you Tarezax fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Sep 15, 2015 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVpUzjB3w3I I can't believe this is 4 years old and hollywood is still churning out zombie media
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SwitchbladeKult posted:It is very telling to me that some parents send their children to colleges that specifically set out to My favorite part is when people claim that America spends so much on health care because we do most of the research (we're just so good, carrying the world's burden like that ). Turns out that the entire US research outlay (ALL research) is 2.7% of GDP, while health care spending is 17.1% of GDP. And it's not clear if the World Bank health care data includes health care research spending
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Tarezax posted:Just a bad photoshop. She's holding a shovel, but the handle must have been cut off when pasting from from the source image. I learned it from you, alright? I learned it from following you(r link)! Also...so far, not bad. No fanservice, decent plot if a bit minimal, good artwork. I've read a lot worse.
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SwitchbladeKult posted:It is very telling to me that some parents send their children to colleges that specifically set out to My parents are sort of your classic case of fairly apolitical people who are sort of just conservative by default. The kind of people who accept all the welfare queen-type rhetoric as common wisdom because that's what everyone around them believe. Thankfully, my sister and I have been good influences on them and through discussing a lot of this stuff with them, we've managed to disabuse them of a lot of those notions because they're fundamentally very decent and caring people. That said, I'll never forget visiting colleges and hearing my dad fret over whether this school or that was just "too liberal an environment." It really is just one of those cultural memes that people parrot without thinking about.
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Bast Relief posted:I took mostly science courses and very little time was spent on a professor opinions. There just wasn't time for it. The only material outside of the common curriculum might be the professor's research. Unless you are doing a very "soft" subject like Sociology there wouldn't really be much space in the curriculum for leftist indoctrination. I did a science subject and the amount of times politics was mentioned was zero. I get the general impression that even the biggest hippy professor in the world is a Thatcherite compared to students these days - so if a student goes to university a conservative and comes back an atheist liberal obsessed with privilege theory, it is probably entirely due to their peers.
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Anubis posted:While NT is a heck of a lot more forgiving (ie: don't stone people to death!) there's plenty of verses that instruct believers to not engage in sexual sin. Of course there's that verse that says no one should get married if they can stand to go without, and the whole eat whatever you want was because of a dream that occurred after Jesus was already dead/risen/gone again. Basically, quoting leviticus isn't the best approach because people can more easily pick and choose OT stuff. They're often picking and choosing Leviticus, so it's usually fair game; you just gotta pay attention.
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VideoTapir posted:They're often picking and choosing Leviticus, so it's usually fair game; you just gotta pay attention. If you don't pick and choose Leviticus, you'd end up leading a lifestyle like an Ultra-Orthodox Jew on a desert survivalist course.
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BarbarianElephant posted:If you don't pick and choose Leviticus, you'd end up leading a lifestyle like an Ultra-Orthodox Jew on a desert survivalist course. If you're claiming absolute biblical authority for your adherence to and promotion of the rules you want to follow and which you're getting from there, that's the only way to do it without being hypocritical about it. The only problem is those Ultra-Orthodox Jews are doing a better job of following one NT admonition than right wing Christians are; in that they tend to keep it to themselves.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Unless you are doing a very "soft" subject like Sociology there wouldn't really be much space in the curriculum for leftist indoctrination. I did a science subject and the amount of times politics was mentioned was zero. I get the general impression that even the biggest hippy professor in the world is a Thatcherite compared to students these days - so if a student goes to university a conservative and comes back an atheist liberal obsessed with privilege theory, it is probably entirely due to their peers. I don't know why you'd expect the social sciences to have time to favor one ideology over another. Like pretty much any other subject, the teacher's got about a year and a half's worth of poo poo to teach students in about half a year's time. They're way too busy trying to pack as much into a given lecture as possible to worry about indoctrinating their students.
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I don't know who this guy is, but he apparently has a Harvard alumnus email address and the research skills to find the email addresses of many, many college professors.quote:This is an html email--if it looks strange you may need to switch to html format
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 16:51 |
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A big thing is that "liberal indoctrination" consists of much more than actually expounding on liberal / leftist ideas. Simple facts like "evolution is real" or "greenhouse gases are a thing" will show up in science classes on the regular, and if you're mentally grouping everything into "conservative values" vs. "liberal claptrap," there's no reason to distinguish between those ideas and Gender Studies or Denouncing God 101.
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Bast Relief posted:Even in my humanities classes there wasn't really any indoctrination or dogma. The kind of people who make statements like what is shown in this comic would make me assume they'd never been to college, but if they have, then how the hell did they walk away with this view of it? They teach evolution in biology. If you take history classes, you're eventually going to get a professor who explains that the "Great Man" theory of history is basically dumb baby bullshit. Then they say the bad things about America, and I don't know the crusaders or Europe. If you take any general literature or rhetoric classes, you're bound to have some one tell you the "great universal classics" idea is nonsense. Then you read something by some one who might not be white or a man. Your Pscyh or Sociology courses will suggest that hey, maybe criminal behavior isn't because of some sort of genetic bad guy stain. Your Econ class might even say that austerity isn't absolutely always correct and, god forbid, your courses in government might touch on the fact that the legal roots of the USA aren't Christian but more secular. Also, like, gender studies exists, I guess. edit: Also if your last name is Schlafly, then you know relativity is some sort of liberal voodoo to destroy morality. And that's all leftist indoctrination. TGLT fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Sep 15, 2015 |
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