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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

peak debt posted:

I'm guessing he's talking about the Shah Massoud assassination? Although that happened on 9/9.

I'm also not sure why that involves brainwashing by corporate media. AQ caps a British ally who would in fact have been one of the top men in the anti-Taliban coalition. Fits perfectly well with the absurd conspiracy theory that AQ flew planes into the twin towers and the Pentagon.

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RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Klaus88 posted:

So on the show Fear the Walking dead the U.S. armed forces have just stormed in to save the day. Also, apparently somebody else on the show has decided that subtlety is for chumps and has gone straight to having the army doing Bolivian civil war style death squad tactics. :captainpop:

I figure there's gonna be three reaction, two of which will be worth including in this thread so that is why I'm posting this here.


    * Its a show about zombies so who cares?
    * our troops would never do such horrible things why do you make our troops do such a horrible thing in a piece of fiction!
    *OBAMA IS COMING TO HERD US ALL INTO FEMA DEATH CAMPS! JADE HELM! SECOND AMENDMENT! STATES RIGHTS! :freep:


*off-topic I have this image of states like Texas being totally hosed in walking dead world because they're more afraid of the national guard and the Federal government then the zombies.

The government being useless/actively malevolent is a huge trope in zombie fiction so I don't know why this is different.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I'm also not sure why that involves brainwashing by corporate media. AQ caps a British ally who would in fact have been one of the top men in the anti-Taliban coalition. Fits perfectly well with the absurd conspiracy theory that AQ flew planes into the twin towers and the Pentagon.

Based on the context I expect "what happened the day before 9/11" is either some US government conspiracy or a platitude about how media only show the bad news. I don't know how Massoud would fit into their narrative.

fake edit: Google suggests a conspiracy theory where Donald Rumsfeld ordered the Pentagon attack to destroy records. That's probably it.
I guess you have to admit that if anyone did that it would be (Nixon or) Donald Rumsfeld. :tinfoil:

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal
Wanna see Terminal Lance but really lovely?



quote:

So this seems to vary based on location, with the worst offenders being the northeast and west coast. I've been relatively fortunate in this regard, but that's probably because I live in the deep south.

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...

seiferguy posted:

Wanna see Terminal Lance but really lovely?



This guys knows what's up, it takes a real veteran to be arrogant pricks to college professors, civvies never go to university and then think they know everything and the professor is an idiot. This sure is someone in the real world sure.

hamster_style
Nov 24, 2004
neenjah!
My first thought was that it's book/verses that evangelicals pushed before people really knew about all of the stuff Leviticus banned, and they had to either ignore it, or find new passages to justify their bigotry. Feel free to correct me.



Also isn't this wrong because Jesus wasn't the 'embodiment' of all of the old stories, was he? I thought he was all "yeah that's old poo poo, just be cool and take care of each other and you're good". As you can tell I know a lot about the Bible.

Anubis
Oct 9, 2003

It's hard to keep sand out of ears this big.
Fun Shoe

hamster_style posted:

My first thought was that it's book/verses that evangelicals pushed before people really knew about all of the stuff Leviticus banned, and they had to either ignore it, or find new passages to justify their bigotry. Feel free to correct me.



Also isn't this wrong because Jesus wasn't the 'embodiment' of all of the old stories, was he? I thought he was all "yeah that's old poo poo, just be cool and take care of each other and you're good". As you can tell I know a lot about the Bible.

While NT is a heck of a lot more forgiving (ie: don't stone people to death!) there's plenty of verses that instruct believers to not engage in sexual sin. Of course there's that verse that says no one should get married if they can stand to go without, and the whole eat whatever you want was because of a dream that occurred after Jesus was already dead/risen/gone again. Basically, quoting leviticus isn't the best approach because people can more easily pick and choose OT stuff.

KillerJunglist
May 22, 2007

Lion of Judah protect you, Jah be praised.

seiferguy posted:

Wanna see Terminal Lance but really lovely?



These things always make me wonder "what subject are they talking about?"

Because if this is like math or something you should probably listen to what the teacher has to say. It's probably correct.

...

Ahh, who am I kidding? In these comics it's "Atheism 101" followed by "Dumb Liberal poo poo Seminar".

Bast Relief
Feb 21, 2006

by exmarx

seiferguy posted:

Wanna see Terminal Lance but really lovely?



Is it just that these folks see a lecturer making sounds out of their mouths to a large audience, and the only way they can understand that is through their own experience at church, so therefore professors must be flogging their students with a gospel of sorts too?

I took mostly science courses and very little time was spent on a professor opinions. There just wasn't time for it. The only material outside of the common curriculum might be the professor's research.

Even in my humanities classes there wasn't really any indoctrination or dogma. The kind of people who make statements like what is shown in this comic would make me assume they'd never been to college, but if they have, then how the hell did they walk away with this view of it?

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

Bast Relief posted:

Is it just that these folks see a lecturer making sounds out of their mouths to a large audience, and the only way they can understand that is through their own experience at church, so therefore professors must be flogging their students with a gospel of sorts too?

I took mostly science courses and very little time was spent on a professor opinions. There just wasn't time for it. The only material outside of the common curriculum might be the professor's research.

Even in my humanities classes there wasn't really any indoctrination or dogma. The kind of people who make statements like what is shown in this comic would make me assume they'd never been to college, but if they have, then how the hell did they walk away with this view of it?

Hell, even the sciences often have the giant disclaimer of "This is how we currently understand things," especially if you studied at a research university where the cutting edge of science is constantly shifting. Math is pretty safe though.

Axetrain
Sep 14, 2007

Well if he didn't listen to the Professor I assume he failed since they are the ones who make the assignments and grade them.

E: Also I edited that cartoon to better reflect reality

Axetrain fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Sep 15, 2015

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Klaus88 posted:

*off-topic I have this image of states like Texas being totally hosed in walking dead world because they're more afraid of the national guard and the Federal government then the zombies.
Two of those three groups have actually murdered people in real life though, so there's precedent. Maybe the zombies are chill.

Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment

RagnarokAngel posted:

The government being useless/actively malevolent is a huge trope in zombie fiction so I don't know why this is different.

Because like all tropes, that doesn't have to be the default and shouldn't necessarily be the default?

Guavanaut posted:

Two of those three groups have actually murdered people in real life though, so there's precedent. Maybe the zombies are chill.

"The dead are arising and devouring the living, but OBAMA can't do anything correctly so lets refuse any help from those drat feds!"

When did zombies become a conservative media stronghold?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
The zombie film is almost a genre basis for the right wing worldview taken to its logical conclusion. If you actually were in a scenario where there were infected living dead wandering the earth trying to consume/convert the living, you would want small groups with high regimentation, composed of people 'like you' that you could trust, you would be wary of strangers, because they might be infected or untrustworthy, you'd want the right sort of people to be heavily armed and more than willing to stand their ground, you would want to capture and secure resources for your stronghold or nomadic band, because anything that other people have impacts your survival directly, and there would be no time for moral relativism, it's us as the good absolute and them as the bad absolute. Basically you would be in survival mode for the in-group and the in-group alone.

It's no surprise that there's a certain group that takes it way too much to heart.

I'm trying to think if there's a left wing equivalent of behavior by genre identification, possibly post-scarcity utopian sci-fi or something.

Malleum
Aug 16, 2014

Am I the one at fault? What about me is wrong?
Buglord

Guavanaut posted:

The zombie film is almost a genre basis for the right wing worldview taken to its logical conclusion. If you actually were in a scenario where there were infected living dead wandering the earth trying to consume/convert the living, you would want small groups with high regimentation, composed of people 'like you' that you could trust, you would be wary of strangers, because they might be infected or untrustworthy, you'd want the right sort of people to be heavily armed and more than willing to stand their ground, you would want to capture and secure resources for your stronghold or nomadic band, because anything that other people have impacts your survival directly, and there would be no time for moral relativism, it's us as the good absolute and them as the bad absolute. Basically you would be in survival mode for the in-group and the in-group alone.

It's no surprise that there's a certain group that takes it way too much to heart.

I'm trying to think if there's a left wing equivalent of behavior by genre identification, possibly post-scarcity utopian sci-fi or something.

Vampire movies (and to a lesser extent the rest of the "big scary monster" genre flicks) are about a usually rich, affluent and unproductive member of society that exists solely to drain the lifeblood of the community and otherwise compromise everything around them. They are often brought low by a dedicated team of professionals working on behalf of the terrorized populace. It's no coincidence that Dracula was a nobleman.

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT

Guavanaut posted:

The zombie film is almost a genre basis for the right wing worldview taken to its logical conclusion. If you actually were in a scenario where there were infected living dead wandering the earth trying to consume/convert the living, you would want small groups with high regimentation, composed of people 'like you' that you could trust, you would be wary of strangers, because they might be infected or untrustworthy, you'd want the right sort of people to be heavily armed and more than willing to stand their ground, you would want to capture and secure resources for your stronghold or nomadic band, because anything that other people have impacts your survival directly, and there would be no time for moral relativism, it's us as the good absolute and them as the bad absolute. Basically you would be in survival mode for the in-group and the in-group alone.

It's no surprise that there's a certain group that takes it way too much to heart.

I'm trying to think if there's a left wing equivalent of behavior by genre identification, possibly post-scarcity utopian sci-fi or something.

Funnily enough the one piece of zombie fiction I've actually gotten invested in sidesteps most of those tropes.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

Bast Relief posted:

Is it just that these folks see a lecturer making sounds out of their mouths to a large audience, and the only way they can understand that is through their own experience at church, so therefore professors must be flogging their students with a gospel of sorts too?

I took mostly science courses and very little time was spent on a professor opinions. There just wasn't time for it. The only material outside of the common curriculum might be the professor's research.

Even in my humanities classes there wasn't really any indoctrination or dogma. The kind of people who make statements like what is shown in this comic would make me assume they'd never been to college, but if they have, then how the hell did they walk away with this view of it?
Mentioning non-conservative views in a non-derisive tone is indoctrination, friend.

A really good, nice student once got upset when I did my standard lecture on health care distribution (here are how some systems work elsewhere, here's the deficiencies in the pre-ACA American system, we don't have enough data to know how much it's changed yet, but here is the number of people with health care and, yes, bankruptcy is still possible and going to happen...no there is no explanation that justifies health care costs, stop asking). He felt I was trying to plump for a socialist health care system.

Which is actually really telling: simply explaining with numbers how American health care compares to other countries is basically an indictment of it. Our system is so bad that its badness functions as an argument for socialism in this student's mind.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
...it does nothing.

Klaus88 posted:

When did zombies become a conservative media stronghold?
Zombie apocalypse is the ultimate libertarian fantasy. Your skills and weapons give you all the authority to do/kill/take whatever you want, and there's no functioning government.

turn it up TURN ME ON
Mar 19, 2012

In the Grim Darkness of the Future, there is only war.

...and delicious ice cream.

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

Mentioning non-conservative views in a non-derisive tone is indoctrination, friend.

A really good, nice student once got upset when I did my standard lecture on health care distribution (here are how some systems work elsewhere, here's the deficiencies in the pre-ACA American system, we don't have enough data to know how much it's changed yet, but here is the number of people with health care and, yes, bankruptcy is still possible and going to happen...no there is no explanation that justifies health care costs, stop asking). He felt I was trying to plump for a socialist health care system.

Which is actually really telling: simply explaining with numbers how American health care compares to other countries is basically an indictment of it. Our system is so bad that its badness functions as an argument for socialism in this student's mind.

Did you explain that to the student? It's interesting to me that you weren't making that argument, but presenting facts, and the student himself made the argument to himself.

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger

Tarezax posted:

Funnily enough the one piece of zombie fiction I've actually gotten invested in sidesteps most of those tropes.

Don't leave us in suspense.

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT

Keeshhound posted:

Don't leave us in suspense.

Warning: anime ahead

http://bato.to/read/_/182408/gakkou-gurashi_v1_ch1_by_norway-scan

Also there is an animated version currently running. It's on Crunchyroll under the name "School Live!".

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


The Macaroni posted:

Zombie apocalypse is the ultimate libertarian fantasy. Your skills and weapons give you all the authority to do/kill/take whatever you want, and there's no functioning government.

It also sucks poo poo to live in one for the brief time before you are eaten or murdered.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

Tarezax posted:

Funnily enough the one piece of zombie fiction I've actually gotten invested in sidesteps most of those tropes.

Fido, which says that the "good ol days" of the 1950s were built from the middle class subjugating minorities?

Sardine Wit
Sep 3, 2004

I'm sure most people have heard this but there's a great thing about how zombie and vampire fiction fall in and out of favour with political tides.

Zombie fiction is all about the bootstrapped survivors who pull together with their guns to protect themselves from the shambling unwashed masses.

Vampire fiction is all about the sequestered aristocracy, sneering down on the working man, literally sucking his blood to survive like a parasite.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

And yet the zombie always wins, these paragons of conservative virtue are always laid low by the masses who work together and even share their meals.

SwitchbladeKult
Apr 4, 2012



"The warmth of life has entered my tomb!"

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

Mentioning non-conservative views in a non-derisive tone is indoctrination, friend.

A really good, nice student once got upset when I did my standard lecture on health care distribution (here are how some systems work elsewhere, here's the deficiencies in the pre-ACA American system, we don't have enough data to know how much it's changed yet, but here is the number of people with health care and, yes, bankruptcy is still possible and going to happen...no there is no explanation that justifies health care costs, stop asking). He felt I was trying to plump for a socialist health care system.

Which is actually really telling: simply explaining with numbers how American health care compares to other countries is basically an indictment of it. Our system is so bad that its badness functions as an argument for socialism in this student's mind.

It is very telling to me that some parents send their children to colleges that specifically set out to indoctrinate educate young adults with a conservative viewpoint. They can't handle that reality has a liberal bias.

J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


Tarezax posted:

Warning: anime ahead

http://bato.to/read/_/182408/gakkou-gurashi_v1_ch1_by_norway-scan

Also there is an animated version currently running. It's on Crunchyroll under the name "School Live!".

The first thing I asked was 'Where did that schoolgirl get that entrenching tool?"

Then I noticed that there's no handle after the elbow.

Why am I picking up the art/factual errors when looking at a picture of two school girls in what I am told is zombie fiction? Am I truly that far gone?

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT

J.A.B.C. posted:

The first thing I asked was 'Where did that schoolgirl get that entrenching tool?"

Then I noticed that there's no handle after the elbow.

Why am I picking up the art/factual errors when looking at a picture of two school girls in what I am told is zombie fiction? Am I truly that far gone?

Just a bad photoshop. She's holding a shovel, but the handle must have been cut off when pasting from the source image.

Also, what is wrong with you

Tarezax fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Sep 15, 2015

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVpUzjB3w3I

I can't believe this is 4 years old and hollywood is still churning out zombie media

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

SwitchbladeKult posted:

It is very telling to me that some parents send their children to colleges that specifically set out to indoctrinate educate young adults with a conservative viewpoint. They can't handle that reality has a liberal bias.
I mean, I present the data the way I do for a reason, since it's very compelling given what most Americans value here (cost and efficiency).

My favorite part is when people claim that America spends so much on health care because we do most of the research (we're just so good, carrying the world's burden like that :911:). Turns out that the entire US research outlay (ALL research) is 2.7% of GDP, while health care spending is 17.1% of GDP. And it's not clear if the World Bank health care data includes health care research spending :v:

J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


Tarezax posted:

Just a bad photoshop. She's holding a shovel, but the handle must have been cut off when pasting from from the source image.

Also, what is wrong with you

I learned it from you, alright? I learned it from following you(r link)!

Also...so far, not bad. No fanservice, decent plot if a bit minimal, good artwork. I've read a lot worse.

Hulk Krogan
Mar 25, 2005



SwitchbladeKult posted:

It is very telling to me that some parents send their children to colleges that specifically set out to indoctrinate educate young adults with a conservative viewpoint. They can't handle that reality has a liberal bias.

My parents are sort of your classic case of fairly apolitical people who are sort of just conservative by default. The kind of people who accept all the welfare queen-type rhetoric as common wisdom because that's what everyone around them believe. Thankfully, my sister and I have been good influences on them and through discussing a lot of this stuff with them, we've managed to disabuse them of a lot of those notions because they're fundamentally very decent and caring people.

That said, I'll never forget visiting colleges and hearing my dad fret over whether this school or that was just "too liberal an environment." It really is just one of those cultural memes that people parrot without thinking about.

BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Bast Relief posted:

I took mostly science courses and very little time was spent on a professor opinions. There just wasn't time for it. The only material outside of the common curriculum might be the professor's research.

Even in my humanities classes there wasn't really any indoctrination or dogma. The kind of people who make statements like what is shown in this comic would make me assume they'd never been to college, but if they have, then how the hell did they walk away with this view of it?

Unless you are doing a very "soft" subject like Sociology there wouldn't really be much space in the curriculum for leftist indoctrination. I did a science subject and the amount of times politics was mentioned was zero. I get the general impression that even the biggest hippy professor in the world is a Thatcherite compared to students these days - so if a student goes to university a conservative and comes back an atheist liberal obsessed with privilege theory, it is probably entirely due to their peers.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Anubis posted:

While NT is a heck of a lot more forgiving (ie: don't stone people to death!) there's plenty of verses that instruct believers to not engage in sexual sin. Of course there's that verse that says no one should get married if they can stand to go without, and the whole eat whatever you want was because of a dream that occurred after Jesus was already dead/risen/gone again. Basically, quoting leviticus isn't the best approach because people can more easily pick and choose OT stuff.

They're often picking and choosing Leviticus, so it's usually fair game; you just gotta pay attention.

BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

VideoTapir posted:

They're often picking and choosing Leviticus, so it's usually fair game; you just gotta pay attention.

If you don't pick and choose Leviticus, you'd end up leading a lifestyle like an Ultra-Orthodox Jew on a desert survivalist course.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

BarbarianElephant posted:

If you don't pick and choose Leviticus, you'd end up leading a lifestyle like an Ultra-Orthodox Jew on a desert survivalist course.

If you're claiming absolute biblical authority for your adherence to and promotion of the rules you want to follow and which you're getting from there, that's the only way to do it without being hypocritical about it.

The only problem is those Ultra-Orthodox Jews are doing a better job of following one NT admonition than right wing Christians are; in that they tend to keep it to themselves.

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger

BarbarianElephant posted:

Unless you are doing a very "soft" subject like Sociology there wouldn't really be much space in the curriculum for leftist indoctrination. I did a science subject and the amount of times politics was mentioned was zero. I get the general impression that even the biggest hippy professor in the world is a Thatcherite compared to students these days - so if a student goes to university a conservative and comes back an atheist liberal obsessed with privilege theory, it is probably entirely due to their peers.

I don't know why you'd expect the social sciences to have time to favor one ideology over another. Like pretty much any other subject, the teacher's got about a year and a half's worth of poo poo to teach students in about half a year's time. They're way too busy trying to pack as much into a given lecture as possible to worry about indoctrinating their students.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I don't know who this guy is, but he apparently has a Harvard alumnus email address and the research skills to find the email addresses of many, many college professors.

quote:

This is an html email--if it looks strange you may need to switch to html format

Cambridge Mayor David P Maher:


David Virgil Hobbs
November 2013
I live in neighboring Waltham MA. I found the email address (mayor@cambridgema.gov) used here for you at your page at Mayor's Office - City of Cambridge, Massachusetts. I once lived in or should I say, attempted to live in Cambridge MA . During college I lived in dorms at Harvard College in Cambridge MA.

Re my troubles in Cambridge years ago, while living in Cambridge I had a dream while asleep: a young woman I knew named Linda (she would'nt be my girlfriend) turned into a Caiman; the Caiman slithered into the Charles River; the people drank the water; & then it was as if I'd been hit by a bomb I could not keep a roof over my head.

Seems to me that people in Cambridge sometimes base their behavior on an imitation of others too much. Once in a dream I had, some Radcliffe girls were birds in the sky. Bird A was following Bird B which was following Bird C which was following Bird D which was following Bird A, so it was a ridiculous type of circle.

Your surname is common amongst the Jewish ethnic group (at U of Chicago Lab Schools I enjoyed the company of Jewish or half-Jewish friends) & this email contains Christian content. My attitude re such has been: Jesus Christ was once very popular in ancient Israel; huge crowds followed him here and there; on Palm Sunday he had his triumphant entry into Jerusalem. But then cruel persecution stamped out the enthusiasm amongst the people. Which indicates Christ would have been popular amongst the Jews were it not for the persecution wiping out this popularity.

Women in the Waltham/Cambridge area have sometimes expressed social/matrimonial interest in me, but I find that I have been intimidated by false doctrines re so-called "sexual harassment" espoused by campus-police and administrators, doctrines that have infected the public-police.

The doctrine that when a man is socially rejected by a woman, the man becomes guilty of "sexual harassment", is false. "Open rebuke is better than hidden love" (Proverbs 27:5). The campuses where this false doctrine holds sway socially speaking seem to resemble aerial photos of bombed-out cities; the students seem terrified of being labeled as guilty of "harassment" simply because some member of the opposite sex rejected them; you witness little of the 'dating' that is common in more normal places (dating is less common amongst certain groups that have arranged marriages). Females come on to men and then for various reasons change their minds. Females so to speak socially swinging over their heads, seem inclined to retaliate against the man who is over their head when he tries to be nice without being inclined to marry. Scientists have noted that most animal species manifest 'coyness' in the female during courtship.

The doctrine that if a man contacts a woman and she does not respond, then the man is guilty of "sexual harassment" if he contacts her again, is false. I know from personal experience that often when a woman desires to marry, she will nevertheless fail to respond to the initial communication. I suspect such to also be the case with many other men.

It is not correct to say that men should be presumed to be guilty until proven innocent when accused of "sexual harassment". Presumption of guilt opens the door to the intimidation of men, i.e, "I'll accuse you if you don't do what I say".

A society where you can't have a social life with women unless you have plenty of money to spend on lawyers is a society that itself is guilty of "sexual harassment" (and its grounds for suspicion, that a man sexy local females are attracted to should be disemployed).

I can honestly say that I have suffered damage as a result of campus-cops and administrators adhering to these false doctrines. For years I have felt nervous. For years I have felt like a slave, not a free-man.

***

When I was in college I experienced one of the greatest spiritual experiences I ever had while riding a public bus that started & ended in Cambridge MA in the morning. At the time I was not under the influence of any drug herb etc. I was feeling very dissatsified with the mundane state of mind I had usually been in, & at the same time a strong desire to rise upwards to a higher state of mind. While on the bus all of a sudden I was 'in the Spirit', & I could feel the presence of the Son of God, who was like a divine twin, a twin it was easy for my mind to worship. During this experience I knew for a fact that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, & that the fellowship of the Holy Spirit I was experiencing is inseparably linked to believing that He is the Son of God. I was in the transcendental state of mind for about an hour. Then I went home to my dorm-room & took a nap & when I woke up the spirited feeling was gone, & I was back in the usual mundane state of mind.

The poems (written by me) included further down in this email sort-of pray for the entire-world. You could add a stanza focusing the 'blessings' upon Cambridge. Like a lense added to a camera.

My version of a stanza that focuses on Cambridge:

In Obedience to God-willed exclusions from benedictions
Father God to thee in the name of Christ I now declare
The things I ask for myself and others in this prayer
I ask also for the city of Cambridge Massachusetts

Re the scepticism encountered in the scientific world: obviously, some of the books in the Bible are more symbolic than others; and, top students often simply believe what their teacher says, result being, such 'faith' propels them to success.

St. Paul persecuted the Church; he considered himself to have been 'the worst of sinners'. Then only about three days after he changed his mind, repented, he received the Holy Spirit. The punishment from God was light, because he was following his conscience when he persecuted the Church. The New Testament contains scriptures indicating that when a Christian engages in excessive violations of conscience of the wrong kind, the result could be the damnation of the violator.

Good works and conscience are a little different. An action that is conscientous, can go against God's will. Good works, accord with God's will. People get the two mixed up; then they misbehave and become damned.

This week I joined Twitter at: David Virgil Hobbs (@charlemagneson) | Twitter; here you can find the beginning of my personal version of Proverbs; much attention is paid to mis-management of organizations.

I have online a calendar containing links to all my current sports practice-logs. Locals have been impressed as they have watched me engage in soccer, basketball, baseball, tennis, swimming, running, weightlifting & walking in Waltham. I figure with some work I could be at least close to age-group world champion in a few different events.

I have a blog at 'David Virgil's Blog'.

***

This email contains poetic prayers and prose, the both of which hopefully will have a positive impact on the nation and on the world.

An example of one of the several epiphany-type transcendant experiences I've had:

A few years ago I had a dream in which I was a Russian soldier spying on German soldiers; after I woke up for an hour or two I could feel Christ on the cross within myself. In summary, in the dream:

I was a Russian Spetsnatz commando, spying on a German military church service that I was admiring. I felt a sense of kinship with the people I was watching; I did not hate them, I was not even angry at them; I liked the orderliness of the church service. The German troops knew I was there but did not want to shoot me or arrest me; at the same time they did not want to get in trouble with their bosses. Then later the Germans came to get my surrender (some of them were women dressed in white saris, folded in such a way that persons would have difficulty seeing the swastikas imprinted upon the saris). They appeared to be friendly, sociable. I was trying to decide whether to surrender or fight to the death as a matter of honor when I woke up.

When I woke up, I could feel Christ on the cross within me for an hour or two. Then the cares of life, having to deal with all the chores that had to be done, seem to bring me back down to a 'normal' state.

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In brief, when a drummer hits the drum, you would not be able to hear the sound of it, if God intervened to prevent the sound wave from hitting your ear. Likewise, when a person in his mind thinks benevolent benedictory thoughts, God can allow such thoughts to have effect. I figured this out myself, but over the years I have explained the idea to alot of people.

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Everything in this email is original work, not the copied work of others, unless otherwise noted.

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I have not seen the hidden book containing God's hidden thoughts re how persons such as David Maher should behave with regards to myself or with regards to religion in general; nor can I say I have seen the hidden literature re how I, David Virgil, should behave with regards to persons such as David Maher. I realize that in three different places the scriptures declare that most of God's thoughts are not in the scriptures. I suspect that I have some idea regarding what these thoughts are.


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The poem on the main page of my website, written by myself, engages the mind in benedictory thoughts. Christ is referred to as Yayzoos (how his name is written in the original scriptures). One of the lines in the poem is in extra large type, because due to an error, it had previously been accidentally left out:

LOST SILVER

Now I pray in remembrance of ancient scriptural parables
which show that through repentance human beings are repairable
parables which show that I was adhering to God's lessons
when I suddenly felt close to God and given a fresh start
when I was feeling the feeling of repentance in my heart
and thirsting for the spirit and believing Jesus is God's Son
Remembering how when Yayzoos walked the earth then drew near
tax collectors and sinners hoping his teachings would reach their ears
When the Chief priests and scribes saw them join Yayzoos for dinner
they murmured, saying, this man receiveth and eateth with sinners
Then Yayzoos told a tale in reply to their angry spirits
Saying, if a woman has ten silver pieces and loses one
she lights a candle and the searching of the house is begun
and she seeks diligently for the lost piece until she finds it
And when she hath found it she calls her friends to gather around
and says, rejoice with me, for the piece which I had lost I have found
Likewise I say unto you, God's angels are glad
when one lost sinner repents of things that are bad
So help us God so time spent hearing these words we have heard
becomes time that helps us to repent in accordance with God's Word
Help me God so these memories of the words of God's Son
help me to draw closeer to God and His angels in heaven
And in general aside from the silver pieces
help me to draw closer to the spirit of God's son Jesus
Forgive me for my sins and heal me of injuries inside
that I have caused to myself through my sins and my pride
so my desire to draw closer to God will not be denied
And excepting those for whom it's not the will of the divinity
that we should ask such things for them from the God of infinity
all things that I ask for myself through these words of the prophet
I ask also for all people everywhere on the planet
I ask these things of thee God in the name of thy Son Yayzoos Christ
Yayzoos who by the name Jesus now draws people to the light

In this email I talk about for lack of a better word, 'telekinetics', a 'sign from God', an experience in which I felt Christ on the cross within myself, metaphysics and theology. Also included are a couple of other poems I wrote. My tracker programs indicate that alot of people bookmark my poems when they find them on the internet, that is they put them in their favorites folder and come back to read them a second time. Such is a reasonable test of the quality of a poem.

So that you might be able to easily find the latest thing I have put up on the net: I have a blog at http://davidvirgil.blogspot.com/; my newsgroup posts are listed at http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=author%3Avincemoon%40rcn.com&start=0&scoring=d&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&num=10; my website main page is at this link.

You can find links to some of my various online projects at this link. The links to some recent dabbling in the field of cardiac health (including links to the online computer program) are at http://davidvirgil.blogspot.com/2009/07/nutritition-and-cardiac-health-tables.html.

By the way this email is @2015 David Virgil Hobbs--could be that I will use some things in this email in some other context.

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God...it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God...it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God...there's something wrong with you...you should be rolling out the red carpet for me!"

The fact that such a statement as this about camels and red carpets is conceivably a respectable statement in certain situations means something. I estimate that Christians who are not rich, especially the best of this group, are an under-rated, under-respected group.

Fact is, that rich people being warned about the spiritual difficulties they face, is a grace from God, an undeserved gift. Knowing that something is difficult increases the chances of success with it. There have been many rich men, who never were given the undeserved grace of being warned about the difficulties of being rich.


CONFUSION REGARDING WHETHER 'GOOD WORKS' ARE RELEVANT TO SALVATION IS TO A SIGNIFICANT EXTENT MERELY SEMANTIC

I estimate that due to confusion re the exact meaning of scripture, Americans have for a long time been lackadaisical with regards to good works. I think I've attained to a good original insight: the confusion re faith vs works has to do with confusion re the definition of works. If you define the attempt to live a conscientous life as good works, that's one definition of works. If you define actually doing exactly what God wants as good works, that is another definition of good works. One can adhere to one's conscience while being in contradiction of God. The scriptural authors who are the favorites of the good works are unimportant crowd, and the scriptural authors of the works are important crowd, were according to scripture, loving brothers in the unity of the faith; how then can it be said, that they disagreed vehemently regarding the most important doctrines? St Peter said there were things in the letters of St Paul that are hard to understand, which the 'unlearned and unstable wrest to their own destruction'. Yet these same difficult scriptures are the scriptures that many American Christians who are not good at understanding hard-to-understand stuff make a big deal out of, while they ignore the art of balancing a scripture against other scriptures that take a different slant. It's dangerous to take scripture out of context.

UNREASONABLE TO 'TOLERANTLY' PROHIBIT TEACHING THAT ONE LIFESTYLE IS SUPERIOR TO ANOTHER

Seems that gay culture and pagan culture are becoming more powerful while Christianity is getting weaker. A prime cause of this is alleged Christian intolerance, with regards to persons such as pagans and gays. Concise response re this 'intolerance': Why not persecute 'alpine skiing' coaches who are impertinent enough to favor one style of 'alpine skiing' over another? Just as there are various styles of 'alpine skiing', there are various styles of life; one life-style is gay, another life-style is straight. According to the scientific mainstream, the living creatures found in nature 'progress' through a mechanism wherein some of the creatures mutate into forms which are more successful in terms of the number of offspring. Similarly, when society tolerates various schools of thought teaching that various lifestyles are superior, one can expect that eventually the truly superior lifestyles will become popular. If government were to intervene by forbidding basketball coaches from advocating one style of shooting over another, it would be reasonable to expect that the result would be damage to the quality of the national basketball performance.

REASONABLE TO DEPEND ON NOT JUST THE SENSES BUT ALSO FAITH DERIVED FROM STATEMENTS OF OTHERS WHEN EVALUATING RELIGION


Many people apparently believe that in developing opinions re religion, one should reject information that does not come from the eyes, the ears, the sense of touch, or one's own inner mind. A simple parable I invented checkmates such ideas. Imagine being lost but having to get to the hospital because your son is sick. You encounter someone and he tells you the directions for how to get to the hospital that you have never seen. You believe what the person tells you and find your way to the hospital. Then when you get to the hospital you know that the hospital exists whereas previously you only believed that the hospital existed.

Likewise in the sphere of religion, it is reasonable to depend on not just what one's senses tell one but also on what others tell one. When you believe what others tell you, you have faith; then later, after you have experienced epiphany via a transcendental state of mind resulting from your obedience to the dictates of religion, you attain to knowledge, a step above faith. Just as you have an ethical responsibility to get your sick son to the hospital, so also you have an ethical responsibility to get your spiritually sick son (we are all spiritually sick) to the hypothetical spiritual hospital of the parable.


THE "SIGN" THAT LED TO ME BECOMING SERIOUS ABOUT CHRISTIANITY


In high school on the South Side of Chicago David Gottlieb and his brother Alan Gottlieb were friends of mine. They were generally hospitable, you don't appreciate such hospitality until you spend time in the less hospitable communities.

Once I was at the Gottlieb residence, socializing with the Gottliebs one or both of them. I left their place and walked down to 55th Street,to the intersection of I think Dorchester or Blackstone at 55th St., in Chicago Il., on the south side near the University of Chicago. There at the playground where there is now a pool next to the big twin apartment buildings, I ran into my friend Wayne Braxton and Linda Skinner. I had taken some pill, I know not for sure what it was.

We played frisbee, I could tell that I had charmed Linda. She was smiling and clapping her hands together and her body language and facial expression were that of one who considers themselves to be something less than me. I was on the slide and she got on the slide in front of me and leaned backwards into me, but I leaned backwards politely to avoid contact, she was 14 and I was 17. I felt like a God, like Mercury; I felt on top of the world. I felt as if the top of my head had come off, thereby unleashing all the joy and transcendence that is usually suppressed.

Then later when I tried to talk to Linda Skinner (the playground was the first time I had met her) she would not be my girlfriend. I became despondent and a few months later returned to the playground, where I left an offering to God on the slide, a date, one of those things you eat, and prayed to God for a sign to reveal to me how I could be the charming person I was when I met her in the playground, for it seemed I was like two people, one person who was the way I was when I met her in the playground, and another person who was the way I was in my usual state of mind. It seemed that I could not get Linda for a girlfriend because she liked one side of my "split personality" but did not like the other.

As I sat on the slide praying for a sign, a car started honking. It sounded as if it was sympathizing with me. I went over to look inside the car, and inside of it, there was a "Holy Bible" on the front dashboard. This led to my becoming serious about Christianity. I noticed that a very small percentage of cars have a Bible visible in them.

Persons such as Linda may think I became serious about Christianity just to please them, but actually, I became a Christian before I was five years old, while I was living in the bungalow at the Prince of Wales Museum in Bombay India, surrounded by Indians from India, Hindus, and my non-Christian parents. I became a Christian before I ever got to know a Christian. But I did not become serious about Christianity until this incident with the honking car.


DREAM ABOUT BEING A RUSSIAN COMMANDO THAT PRECEDED ME WAKING UP FEELING CHRIST ON THE CROSS WITHIN


Not so long ago, I (a citizen of the USA) dreamt that I was a Russian commando, spying on the German Army in WW II. I was watching them hold a Christian church service. The Germans troops noticed me up in the rafters of a big building spying on them--they heard or saw something--but they let me go--it was as if, they were afraid that their bosses would find out about me. I was admiring the German troops, I felt more akin to them than to my Russian comrades. Later the Germans came to get my surrender. I was trying to decide if I should fight to the death as a matter of honor or surrender. At this point, I woke up, and could feel Christ crucified on the Cross within me for about an hour. I did not feel the pain of it but still crucifixion was a boring experience. I could feel the supernatural quality of Christ on the cross within me, I could feel that Christ was more than a prophet.

There were some other details to the dream and how I felt when I woke up but I have given you the basics of it. I would have to spend a few hours digging through a small mountain of my spiral notebooks to find the account I wrote of the dream when I first had it and come up with the details.

The crucifixion was the only time in Christ's life when he was reduced to the state of a slave, without control over his body. It was probably the only time he was bored. Yet we humans spend alot of time being bored even though we are never crucified, our boredom stems from our sins. Seems God effected some kind of union with us humans, by becoming bored on the cross the way we often are bored without being on a cross.


TELEKINETIC NATURE OF PRAYER OR THOUGHTS


My idea is to if possible use the--for lack of a better word--telekinetic action of the minds of people such as yourself (this is rational continue reading for just a minute and you will understand I will explain), to help improve spirits of people everywhere (except the ones who should not be uplifted), especially some group you might wish to specially focus on.

This is rational I'll explain to you an original insight I figured out. Just as you could not hear the drumbeats produced by the mind of the drummer if God blocked the sound waves, so also another type of action of God, interference as opposed to non-interference, allows the benevolent thoughts in the mind of a praying person to have effect on others. Another way of looking at it is, if I had my finger on the remote control trigger of a nuclear bomb that would destroy the devil, My brain activity that led to me pushing the button would not be able to detonate the bomb if God intervened to prevent the signals sent from the remote control device from reaching the bomb; the signals would be able to travel to the bomb only if God allowed them to (this does not mean God approves of everything he allows to happen). So if you do something such as read the two poetic prayers I wrote you can find below,(keeping in mind a couple of unwritten lines of special focus on some group of your own choosing), you might actually be able to accomplish something. One poetic prayer is entitled "Overcoming Sins that Prevent Us from Catching the Divine Game" and the other is entitled "the Sport of Virtue". In these poems Christ is referred to as "Yayzoos" the name by which he was originally referred to in scripture and by the early church.


SCRIPTURE REVEALS PART OF GOD'S MIND


Many people these days are wont to argue with "religious" persons who are similar to myself. The best way I know to deal with this kind of discord is to point out that the Old and New Testament scriptures have three times officially declared that most of God's thoughts words and actions are not recorded in the scriptures. Perhaps the world would be a better place now if in the past the religious had been more aware of and expressive regarding the fact that scripture does make such declarations.


CONSCIENCE MUST BE BASED ON A PURE MIND


Another new original insight discovered by myself into theological basics that has somehow escaped the minds of humanity throughout the ages: The excuse, "but it was not against my conscience", is invalid if the conscience has been polluted by various pollutants such as greed, selfishness, arrogance, willful ignorance, and intellectual laziness. Supposing in the presence of anger or some other mental sin, a person's conscience dictates action A; but in the absence of anger or the given mental sin it dictates action B. If, affected by anger or some other defect in attitude the person follows his conscience and does action A, how could this be better than if, in the absence of anger or some other defect in attitude, he were to commit action A even though his conscience dictated action B? That would imply that the presence of anger or some other defect in attitude improved the person over what he would have been in the absence of the defect.


'RELIGION-PRODUCED' STRESS CAN BE HEALTHY


Some people may feel "stressed out" by what they read in this letter. The idea that a person's fate in the afterlife is affected by their conduct in this world, the idea that the fate in the afterlife is NOT predestined, both ideas I adhere to, are ideas that have been denied by some new forms of Christianity, they are ideas that can cause stress, because of the implication we have to worry about what we think say and do and the implication that what we think say and do can effect our fate in the afterlife.

My response to such persons, in part:

Stress can be good for you. Physical exercise is a form of stress. Mental exercise is known to ward off certain types of senility. For hundreds or thousands or more generations, mankind has, generation after generation, been subjected to mental and physical stresses that exceed the level of stress much of mankind is exposed to in modern times. Religion, properly understood, is more than simple tranquilizer or sauna like relaxation. If you are walking across a street, and a car is about to hit you, do you condemn the person who warns you that you are about to be hit, on the grounds that he is a source of stress?

People fail to understand, and I also partly fail to understand, why some should face unfortunate afterlives; in their inability to understand such things, they proceed to reject the idea of a deity who would condemn some to unfortunate afterlives. But despite my lack of understanding, I know for a fact that Christ is the Son of God, and I know for a fact that certain portions of the scriptures are inspired by God. My understanding of the matter at this time, is, that, some are condemned to unfortunate afterlives, because such acts as a kind of brain surgery for those who enter into fortunate after-lives. A lifetime on earth, twists the brain of the person who experiences it into something that is a shadow of a divine brain; and something has to be done to bring such brains back to a divine condition.

St. Paul never said that the christian was freed from the burden of obeying his conscience, though he did admit that due to the physical pressures of his body he St. Paul in certain ways violated his own conscience without being separated from God or damned as punishment for such certain types of violations of conscience.


'GOOD WORKS' CAN BE NECESSARY; ALL IS NOT PREDESTINED


In general regarding religion, I feel that there has unfortunately been amongst almost all protestant denominations, a misinterpration of St. Paul's words regarding works and predestination. This misinterpretation was spoken of by St. Peter, when he said that there are certain things in Paul's letters that are hard to understand, that the "unlearned and unstable" misinterpret with the end result that they destroy themselves. The fact is that Paul did not mean that for all persons it does not matter what they do so long as they have faith; and the fact is that Paul did not mean that for all persons it is predestined from the time of their birth whether they go to heaven or hell. You can find my explanation of what Paul actually meant when he was talking about faith and works in my newsgroup post. And if you scroll down to look at the scriptural quotation taken from a letter of Paul's that appears on all of my resumes, you can find further proof that yes what a person does can matter it is not just faith. Another newsgroup post of mine explains what Paul really meant when he talked about predestination.

In a nutshell, regarding works, I believe that when Paul talked about faith without works, when he was talking about works he was talking about the works of the Jewish law in the case of the Jews, and that no Jew successfully keeps all the works of the Jewish law; and he was talking about the conscience of the Gentiles with regards to Gentiles, the idea being no Gentile succeeds in following his conscience perfectly. Thus in and of themselves such things cannot justify men. What Paul meant was that good men are justified by faith not perfect adherence to conscience or law, in combination with their general goodness. He takes it for granted that he is talking about good men being justified through faith not the works of the Jewish law or perfect adherence to conscience.

Things must be taken in context. The whole tone of the gospels is about a preacher, Christ, urgently advising the people that if they do this they will make it if they do not they will not. There is no implication in the narratives describing Christ's life, that it was all a silly exercise because it does not matter what men do and all is predestined. In context, there are plenty of scriptures emphasizing the importance of good deeds.
However, I think that youths, and the conscientous, can be justified without doing anything, get the Holy Spirit, when they first repent and turn to Christ, but thereafter they have to be careful to behave themselves.


IF GOD IS LOVE, WHY DO 'CHRISTIAN' LEADERS INCREASE THE IMPORTANCE OF FACTORS OTHER THAN LOVE WHEN IT COMES TO SOCIAL LIFE?


Religion is supposed to be about love; yet still there are outwardly religious persons who are obsessed with turning "how much money does he or she have" into a prime consideration in marital and other social decisions. What sense does that make? If money becomes so important in such decisions, then love becomes unimportant in such decisions. I do not believe that this constant ratcheting up of financial pressures re marital and other social decisions, is eugenic or truly religious.


PERHAPS THE SELECTIVE PERSECUTION OF CERTAIN DRUGS/HERBS HAS REDUCED THE SPIRITUAL INTELLIGENCE OF MANKIND


One reason people have become so ignorant about such matters, is that governments have been banning some herbs and plants and drugs while they have been promoting other herbs plants and drugs; they have been banning the substances that produce religious experiences while promoting the substances that produce a kind of sacrilegious dopiness. As a result an imbalance has developed in society, an imbalance that produces a profane state of mind in society.

I personally have had "religious experiences" without using any kind of herb or plant or drug; but, if persons find themselves unable to escape their ignorance without consuming a substance, maybe they should go ahead and consume some kind of substance in a disciplined fashion. Maybe they should for a few days abstain from cigarettes and sexual passion for those they are not married to, exercise, read the scriptures, and pray, and then proceed to consume some kind of substance that will help them transcend their ignorance. But it should be kept in mind, that this kind of approach varies with the individual and should be put into effect in ways that do not violate the law.


PERSONAL MOTTO:


My resume has had the following quote in the upper right hand corner for at least 20 years:


Command those who are rich in this present world not to be haughty neither to put their hope in the uncertainty of wealth but in God, who so richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Urge them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous givers, to practice sharing, and to treasure up for themselves a sound foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of the life that is really life.

--1 Timothy 6:17-19


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Overcoming Sins that Prevent Us from Catching the Divine Game Poetic Prayer
by David Virgil Hobbs



God grant unto us and to all everywhere
except those we should'nt ask such for in prayer
that there be less sin is the prayer we now declare
For we are like hunters tracking magical game
whose meat gives us the holy spirit saints acclaim
Spirit of God help us reduce within us that sinfulness
through which we fail to catch this game that gives the spirit to us
And help reduce sins we commit that weaken the ability
of others to capture this game that feeds us spiritually
God lend thy assistance and hear this our prayer
let there be less truce breaking and theft everywhere
less swindling extortion and murder causing despair
God grant that evil thoughts and unholiness are reduced
in us and also in all places both here and abroad
God help us so less folly and drunkenness are turned loose
and help lessen misplaced lusts not of the will of the Lord
Let there be less of envies jealousies greed and selfishness
less of a kind of gainsaying unthinking rash stubbornness
less of rejoicing in iniquity and impatience
less of irritability and less of covetousness
Father God let there be less malice heartlessness and arrogance
less hatred overall and less hatred of God and good persons
less excess love of self money and pleasure our lives to worsen
Lord let there be less absence of faith hope and endurance
less absence of natural affection, the absence odd
less of ungratefulness and less of lack of thanks to God
less of the absence of love and less absence of conscience
God grant unto us and to all people everywhere
that there be a reduction in sins is now our prayer
Let there be less excess of gossip and insolence
less approval of sin idle talk and boastfulness
and less blasphemy and slander and less false witness
Let there be less lack of self control and unseemly behaviour
and less insufficient obedience to mothers and fathers
Let there be less deceit treachery and lack of forgiveness
and less of invention of ways of committing wickedness
Let there be less implacability and rashness
less of the excess of strife and less of ruthlesness
less of excess debate and less unmercifulness
less of brutality fierceness and abusiveness
Sins we commit that weaken us and make us less able
to catch the game that is spirit-giving and magical
and sins others commit that weaken our ability
to hunt down this magical game are like monstrosities
we are like soldiers at war with these monstrosities
who contest these lands where we hunt in prayerful rhyme
for that Spirit yielding game that can be so hard to find
God help us war against these monsters of iniquity
All I ask thee father God in this prayer to you,
I ask in the name of Jesus whose name is Yayzoos



Sport of Virtue Poetic Prayer
by David Virgil Hobbs



That God would grant unto all people everywhere
excepting those too evil to be so blessed
that there be an increase in virtue is today's prayer
Hear us Lord Father heed these our prayer requests
For these virtues are like skills of athletic conquest
that make us more proficient in the spiritual contest
more able to be by your Spirit more possessed
more able to defeat enemy forces unblessed
Which are the forces that reduce the number of minutes
in our lives that we spend intoxicated by God's Spirit
the forces that lower the level of intoxication
we are able to achieve even in our exaltation
But all the while help us to charitably understand
that though kind deeds can help someone feel blessed
such acts of kindness done according to your commands
may not have made that someone into a better man
but rather may have helped him to feel sorrow less
help us all, God to be more content with the basics of life
more steadfast and unmoveable in heavenly strife
more able to acquit ourselves like men and be strong
not terrified, shaken or troubled when things go wrong
Give us more endurance of hardness as good soldiers of the Lord
help us to be less disrupted in our spiritual lives
by worldly sorrows and joys by good or bad wives
less hurt by persecution distress and famine and sword
And let not our concern for those we are married to
divert us from good paths right for us set by you
Help us God to be more spiritually minded and fit,
to follow more closely the leadership of your Spirit
Let there be less quenching of Spirit amongst wits
God make us more holy, more filled with the spirit
more filled with the godly grace your power transmits
Let there be amongst us and everywhere here and abroad
more praise fear and service to the God we should adore
more rejoicing in God more thankfulness to the Lord
Help us and all in climates both warm and colder
to become more careful circumspect and sober
Help us abstain from all appearance of evil
make our bodies more holy more conformed to thy will
more worthy of being with your Spirit instilled
Help us God to become more hardworking and diligent
and to lessen our part in noisiness and entanglements
that contradict God's will and the teachings of the prophets
Help us to be less improperly judgemental of sins
and to become more approving of all excellent things
Help us to increase in kindness, blessing and forgiveness
with regards to enemies and persecutors among us
Give us more kindness longsuffering and forbearance
more gentleness, tenderheartedness and patience
Help us to be more peaceful empathetic and sympathetic
and grant that within us there may exist non-synthetic
more love of other persons and of all humans
more brotherly love and more love of good persons
more love between wives of the world and their husbands
Let there be more prayer offered for all persons
and more adherence to the dictates of conscience
more good manners and good behaviour in everyone
Help us to increase amongst us and all persons
virtues of blamelesness, worthiness, and harmlessness
and cheerful mercifulness and hospitality,
and help decrease conduct that harms others spiritually
Grant us God that people be more properly subject to
the government powers truly ordained by you
and that diligence and goodness of governments improve
Let there be more quantity and quality found in all nations
in terms of wise and knowledgeable exhortation
More good ministering and teaching and education
more prophesying of God's truths for edification
more helpful healing and godly comforting of persons
more distribution of necessities to all,
especially to good persons who've answered your call
more relief of the afflicted, as said Saint Paul
more of goodness, and of righteousness and good works
more of the doing of the will of the Lord on earth
Let there be everywhere more heavenly signs
more miracles wonders and mighty deeds divine
more admonishment and abhorrence of evil
more reproval of dark works done against God's will
more anger against the enemy the devil
God our father insofar as your will permits help us
so children show more godly obedience and honor to parents
God grant that parents not be abusive to their children
that a better job of running the families be done
and that parents improve as providers for their little ones
Grant among us and everywhere, O God of good deeds
that we may all increase in the virtues here described
so that we may become better spiritual athletes,
and achieve greater success in obtaining the prize,
Your great Holy Spirit that we want in our lives
I ask all this of thee God in the name of Yayzoos your son
now known amongst mankind as Jesus Christ of the christians

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

A big thing is that "liberal indoctrination" consists of much more than actually expounding on liberal / leftist ideas. Simple facts like "evolution is real" or "greenhouse gases are a thing" will show up in science classes on the regular, and if you're mentally grouping everything into "conservative values" vs. "liberal claptrap," there's no reason to distinguish between those ideas and Gender Studies or Denouncing God 101.

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TGLT
Aug 14, 2009

Bast Relief posted:

Even in my humanities classes there wasn't really any indoctrination or dogma. The kind of people who make statements like what is shown in this comic would make me assume they'd never been to college, but if they have, then how the hell did they walk away with this view of it?

They teach evolution in biology. If you take history classes, you're eventually going to get a professor who explains that the "Great Man" theory of history is basically dumb baby bullshit. Then they say the bad things about America, and I don't know the crusaders or Europe. If you take any general literature or rhetoric classes, you're bound to have some one tell you the "great universal classics" idea is nonsense. Then you read something by some one who might not be white or a man. Your Pscyh or Sociology courses will suggest that hey, maybe criminal behavior isn't because of some sort of genetic bad guy stain. Your Econ class might even say that austerity isn't absolutely always correct and, god forbid, your courses in government might touch on the fact that the legal roots of the USA aren't Christian but more secular. Also, like, gender studies exists, I guess.

edit: Also if your last name is Schlafly, then you know relativity is some sort of liberal voodoo to destroy morality.

And that's all leftist indoctrination.

TGLT fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Sep 15, 2015

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