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I saw the new Poltergeist, it wasn't bad. Unfortunately it's been so long since I've seen the original that I couldn't tell you how it compares. I tend to judge my horror movies against Insidious, which is the worst horror movie that I kinda like. So that means my horror movies are in two categories: better than Insidious or worse than Insidious, and Poltergeist is better. The only other recent horror movie that I've enjoyed has been Oculus.
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WTF don't you like about Insidious
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Sep 16, 2015 01:16
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The new Poltergiest is a fine flick that has the misfortune of being a Poltergeist remake. To think how EASILY they could have just made it a loose sequel and it'd be free to do its own thing instead of feeling obligated to directly recall the original movie's key moments. It probably would have done better business that way, too. (Also, the previews tried too hard to make it look like Insidious, they should have embraced that it's less 'chilling' but funner and bigger in scope).
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Sep 16, 2015 01:32
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Hat Thoughts posted:WTF don't you like about Insidious Pretty much the second half of movie. Really enjoyed the first half though.
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Sep 16, 2015 01:48
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Pretty much the second half of movie. Really enjoyed the first half though. yup.
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Sep 16, 2015 01:59
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I watched Insidious after The Conjuring which, in my opinion, is in the same league as Changeling, Ghost Story, Woman In Black (TV movie), and it just didn't live up to that, and wasn't campy fun like House, either.
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Sep 16, 2015 03:33
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Pretty much the second half of movie. Really enjoyed the first half though. Can't agree more. First half: Legit creepy cinematography enhanced by the amazing set house, with some excellent subtle scares. Interesting conceptual twist with the "professionals" and their gear/methods. Just really really great pretty much all around. Second Half: 
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Sep 16, 2015 03:38
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I thought The Conjuring was total garbage. Like it was one cliche after another until it finally ended. The only thing that wasn't cliche about it was that it had kind of a happy ending, I think?
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Sep 16, 2015 03:41
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Snak posted:I thought The Conjuring was total garbage. Like it was one cliche after another until it finally ended. The only thing that wasn't cliche about it was that it had kind of a happy ending, I think? I don't disagree with your evaluation of the content, it's pretty spot on and fair. I do think that it is a very well executed example of that heavily cliched genre.
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Sep 16, 2015 03:47
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MagnumOpus posted:I don't disagree with your evaluation of the content, it's pretty spot on and fair. I do think that it is a very well executed example of that heavily cliched genre. Well that's something I respect, even if I disagree with this example. I often find that I like movies which I feel are well executed despite being unoriginal. As I get older, I feel more and more that originality is one of the most over-rated aspects of art. Not that it's a bad thing by any means, but people tend to place too much value on originality and expect it to carry a piece, when it hardly makes up for poor execution. Originality in visual effects, especially in horror, can be a pretty big deal though. Most of my examples are from other genres so that's not really something for this thread.
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Sep 16, 2015 03:51
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People actually liked Insidious? what
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Sep 16, 2015 03:55
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Snak posted:I thought The Conjuring was total garbage. Like it was one cliche after another until it finally ended. The only thing that wasn't cliche about it was that it had kind of a happy ending, I think? Happy endings are pretty common in the (sub)genre actually and for good reasons, too. In fact, Lake Mungo had probably the only bad ending I did like (enough to remember anyway) and that was a bad ending for the ghost
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Sep 16, 2015 03:58
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Lake Mungo was so great, I should check if it is back on Netflix. It sticks with you, man!
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Sep 16, 2015 04:02
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I dig insidious. The first half has a lot of good dreadful scares. The finale is a goofy haunted house. Whatevs.
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Sep 16, 2015 05:42
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Tired Moritz posted:People actually liked Insidious? what Mainly because by the time I was done with the first half, I'd already decided that I really liked it and that it would be one of my favorites. Despite the dreadful second half, I still can't shake that feeling. Enough so that I watched the other two Insidious's, which I guess were OK but forgettable because I can't remember anything about them other than the scariest parts are coupled with an extremely loud musical sting.
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Sep 16, 2015 13:22
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Tired Moritz posted:People actually liked Insidious? what it seems fairly popular around here. i was even more soured on it because i went to bed after all the scary stuff then watched the stupid goofy half the next day.
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Sep 16, 2015 14:34
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If you're a big horror fan then Insidious is great because its a mix that you rarely see. Haunted house/possession movies usually start low-key and stay that way throughout, maybe with an intense scene or two thrown in to spice things up. You don't see them just go completely off the rails the way Insidious does, its very surprising and refreshing, especially for American horror.
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Sep 16, 2015 14:39
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Tired Moritz posted:People actually liked Insidious? what It's extremely good. There's nothing in the first half that doesn't set up the second half, there's no grim, realistic tone that it abandons.
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Sep 16, 2015 14:45
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's extremely good. There's nothing in the first half that doesn't set up the second half, there's no grim, realistic tone that it abandons. Its not a tonal thing, its that Insidious goes further(no pun intended I swear) with its ideas than people are used to. In most movies this whole shadow world would be hinted at and referenced but you wouldn't actually see it or get to watch the characters go into it and explore it. Kinda like Poltergeist.
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Sep 16, 2015 15:11
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Snak posted:I thought The Conjuring was total garbage. Like it was one cliche after another until it finally ended. The only thing that wasn't cliche about it was that it had kind of a happy ending, I think? the plot's nothing new, but it shares Insidious' biggest strength: an unusually well-written, well-acted cast of intelligent adults. plus the John Leonetti cinematography is real good.
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Sep 16, 2015 15:16
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sorry, the scene with the spooky family in the PHANTOM REALM and the terrible sets just made me cringe. Conjuring was pretty good though, despite its cheesy ending.
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Sep 16, 2015 15:19
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Yeah, sorry the movie about astral projection and ghosts was a little goofy.
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Sep 16, 2015 17:32
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Gonna re-watch Under the Skin today and you should too. I'm trying to remember the name of a certain mediocre horror film. Journalist investigating some disappearances goes to some European village where all the locals shun them and do not speak English, and there's a complete lack of subtitles so you are just as clueless as the main cast about what these people are saying. Not much other info I can provide without spoiling. Ring any bells?
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Sep 16, 2015 17:33
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That is 100% The Shrine. I remember going to see that and literally being the only person in the theatre.
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Sep 16, 2015 17:34
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Is The Shrine any good? It was on netflix for a long time, but I don't think I ever watched it.
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Sep 16, 2015 17:35
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It's mediocre but very moody. I appreciate the commitment to the other characters being unintelligible.
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Sep 16, 2015 17:45
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Snak posted:Is The Shrine any good? It was on netflix for a long time, but I don't think I ever watched it. I liked it. I thought the twist was good, and I liked what the movie did.
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Sep 16, 2015 17:52
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:That is 100% The Shrine. I remember going to see that and literally being the only person in the theatre. Awesome. Thank you! I did enjoy The Shrine for the reasons mentioned. Cool story made more effective by the miscommunication angle. I recall the acting was that variety of wooden that is (for me) easy to forgive in horror films.
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Basebf555 posted:Its not a tonal thing, its that Insidious goes further(no pun intended I swear) with its ideas than people are used to. In most movies this whole shadow world would be hinted at and referenced but you wouldn't actually see it or get to watch the characters go into it and explore it. Kinda like Poltergeist. While this is true, I find that once you go into the Further, it no longer plays any cards close to its chest and instead just lays them all out in favor of throwing spooky monsters at you in full light. Very often in horror, once you see a villain in full view you're no longer scared of it. One of horror's core tenets is fear of the unknown, and by the time you see Ghost Darth Maul sharpening his claw glove on a grindstone it becomes more like a supernatural haunted house ride than a horror film. While that's fine, my main issue with the sequels is that they keep riding on the jumpscare wagon as if it's still 100% horror franchise, when underneath all that it'd be a pretty good supernatural drama if they just weren't trying so hard to keep it full of monster closets. It keeps trying to be the first half of the first movie when it's already revealed its cards.
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yeah, that's like the major divide between slashers and horror thrillers. In a slasher, it's okay to see the killer, because the fear is supposed to be survival driven and it's focused mostly on the characters's fear of dying and getting the viewer to empathize or sympathize with the character. The Horror element of slashers is focused almost completely on the characters with very little attempt to scare the viewer. In horror thrillers/psychological horror/ghost stories etc, there's much more focus on fear of the unknown, which can be directed more towards the viewer. This disconnect makes crossover between these two subgenres very difficult because the viewer kind of has to switch gears.
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Sep 16, 2015 19:03
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's extremely good. There's nothing in the first half that doesn't set up the second half, there's no grim, realistic tone that it abandons. nah sorry even if you liked the movie the two parts are totally different. at least the sequels are consistent with the second half. i think i'd have no problem if it was like that throughout but the first half is unnerving (even with a little boy ghost dancing to Tiny Tim) and the second half just gets a little goofy/cheesy. and there are movies about ghosts that are scary and not goofy at all!
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Sep 16, 2015 23:27
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Groovelord Neato posted:i think i'd have no problem if it was like that throughout but the first half is unnerving (even with a little boy ghost dancing to Tiny Tim) and the second half just gets a little goofy/cheesy. A little ghost boy dancing to Tiny Tim isn't goofy/cheesy?
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Sep 16, 2015 23:49
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it isn't goofy due to context. the devil is goofy even in context.
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Sep 16, 2015 23:50
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Groovelord Neato posted:it isn't goofy due to context. the devil is goofy even in context. The context is playing hide and seek with a ghost, and the big dramatic fulcrum of tension is a rocking horse.
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Sep 16, 2015 23:53
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Groovelord Neato posted:nah sorry even if you liked the movie the two parts are totally different. at least the sequels are consistent with the second half. They're different but the first half tonally and thematically leads into the second half really well. After I saw it i had no idea some people weren't along for the ride in the second half until I read the complaining online. An extreme example is From Dusk Till Dawn. It's very different in its second half, but it flows.
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Sep 17, 2015 00:04
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Right. To say it's a movie of two halves is to say that the change is abrupt. It isn't at all and the whole movie is larded with goofy stuff. Like the tagline, the opening credits, the demon on the baby monitor, etc. It may be earnest about its subject matter but its seriousness is overblown.
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Sep 17, 2015 00:11
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Forgot how good those opening credits are
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Sep 17, 2015 00:22
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Anyway, why in the hell are we talking about Insidious in this thread? It's pretty far from a psychological horror/thriller (NOT goreporn) movie.
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What loving movie did you watch? Is there gore in Insidious? I haven't seen it since like, it came out or whatever, but I thought it was almost entirely haunting poo poo?
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